Winseer:
muckles:
Winseer:
POST Brexit - we’re looking at buying imports from the wider world (where we can shop around for price) with those goods then coming to the full SPREAD of UK ports all around our Island. There’s enough of them, compared to what other EU nations have after all.So where are those goods going to come from while we wait for this brave new World and all those new trade deals?
And what do you suggest we do in the meantime?If we’d stopped paying the EU by now - there is no way the EU would cease taking our money for goods we’d both purchased already, and awaited delivery of - AND further orders using the in-place infrastructure that the EU isn’t going to be able to dismantle in a hurry. Remember “Brexit is done” once we stop paying for membership. There was no talk of “not paying for actual goods purchased”.
nobody said they would stop taking our money, you implied that we would buy goods from all over the World and that would mean there weren’t queues in Kent, I merely pointed out this wouldn’t happen overnight, so therefore will or won’t there be the same level of cross channel freight in March 2019?
Winseer:
That takes traffic away from the traditional ports, and adds them to say, Southampton, Plymouth, Milford Haven, Fishguard, Holyhead, Liverpool
And Rotterdam, Antwerp and Hamburg.
A Brit ordering food from the continent - isn’t going to want that food delivered to continental ports - are they?
So if we’re still going to buy food from the continent, why would it come in from Container ports instead if the routes it uses today?
Winseer:
It would make life FAR more difficult for the immigrants trying to stow away, as there would be a whole lot less truckers actually making the ferry crossing, but rather instead “dropping container at container port”, and another trucker picking up container at the other end". That means we need to utilize the UK’s array of Deep Water Container Ports, likely needing to greatly expand the ones we already have.And while we wait for that extra capacity to be built in our container ports to be built, where do you suggest all those new containers come into, maybe Rotterdam, Antwerp and Hamburg and get delivered to the UK by road and that will become normal so they’ll scrap plan to build bigger UK ports? If the incoming trade is spread out over more UK ports, then the Continental ports are going to see a “spreading out” as well. Lower traffic for the mainstays, and inflated traffic for the currently quiet ports. The UK must have more Container Port capacity than any other country in the EU, on account of it being an Island with a bloody long coastline.
The length of coastline has nothing to do with it, it’s about the economic capacity, we will have the container port capacity that makes business sense with the amount of trade, there won’t be a magically hidden capacity, if we gave more container traffic than it will make economic sense to build more container ports. Rotterdam handles more freight than the main UK container ports put together, becuase it has the economic capacity of mainland Western Europe behind it .
And if people traffickers find it more difficult to use Ro-Ro ports they won’t stop they’ll just switch their operations to using small boats and land them on East Coast beaches instead, like they do with other goods, the business is far to lucrative and chances of being caught far too small to stop them.
In the past 20 years - relatively few immigrants have attempted to cross the channel in that way, compared to simply stowing away in the too-busy traffic stream of UK-bound trucks. - and that’s before you add "new patrols with the powers of arrest.
The traffickers look for the easiest route, if one is made more secure they’ll go for the next, hence moving away from Calais to other less secure ports. If there fewer truck they’ll go for another option, plenty of drugs are already smuggled this way so wouldn’t take much of a leap to add immirgrants to this, as for new patrols, that more in your imagination, Judging by the delays I faced at Calais the other week UKBF haven’t got enough staff to do the job their tasked with now. What new powers of arrest, they have always been able to arrest illegal immigrants.
Winseer:
Post Brexit, the M26 won’t need to be turned into a “truck stop” simplly because Post Brexit, our leaving the customs union and single market makes most of those truckers - dwindle away back to a lower figure not seen last sine the 1990’s,
Now wake up at the back there!
If you believe overnight in March 2019, that container transport will replace all those trucks, then you are delusional, if it goes down to 1990 levels it means that the economy has crashed, especially as I seem to remember we went into a recession in 1990.
It doesn’t need to replace it overnight - it never did. That was just an EU scare story to make us change our minds about Brexit as being “Impossible to do”. It took a while to set up the current system, and it will take a while to dismantle the current system.
What EU scare story? You’re the one that said the M26 won’t need to be turned into a truckstop because we’d be down to 1990 levels of freight, not the EU, so if it doesn’t happen overnight where do those truck waiting to get thier paperwork go in March 2019 if we don’t have a deal with the EU?