GE 2019

A fun topic. :stuck_out_tongue:

I am torn on this one personally.
Swinging between Corbyn and Jonhson.
On the one hand I want brexit done.
On the other hand I want the trains to be renationalised and I want worker rights our rights protected. But I DO NOT want another referendum as I believe it will make the SNP case for another referendum a given. They will also sort out the housing crisis which is needed greatly.

I think you can put me down as a provisional labour voter for the time being.
I will not be voting for the Brexit party and if they have any sense they will not fight this general election as it will just split the leave vote. I will also never vote Lib Dems because the first time I voted in my life was for Nick Clegg on the promise of scrapping tution fees and they raised them instead!

Regardless what happens though I am greatly pleased that what ever the result ā€˜MPsā€™ like Anna Sourby will be losing their seat.

Hopefully everyone can have a amicable chat about this topic. :slight_smile:

How can anyone vote Labour when they have a problem with anti-semitism, Corbyn hates our country and was friends with IRA and Hamas. Him and Mcdonnell are dangerous people with worrying Marxist ideologies. But worst still, can you imagine Jabba the Hut Abbott in the cabinet?

Lib Demā€™s as they will immediately
Revoke art 50 on winning the election

ArcticMonkey:
How can anyone vote Labour when they have a problem with anti-semitism, Corbyn hates our country and was friends with IRA and Hamas. Him and Mcdonnell are dangerous people with worrying Marxist ideologies. But worst still, can you imagine Jabba the Hut Abbott in the cabinet?

Agreed. While I like some of their policies such as renationalisation, they are lunatics and would bankrupt/destroy the country, dangerous people for sure.
Dianne Abbotpotamus is the most ridiculous car crash ever seen in politics, and would be hilarious if it wasnā€™t so not funny.
She must have given jezza a first class blowy back in the seventies to still be around today.

I was really hoping Boris would come good on his Brexit promise.
But he has turned out to be another snivelling traitor like the rest.

Cannot see myself voting for any of them tbh.
Farage is the only one who may actually deliver a real Brexit, but as said probably a wasted vote.
Just looking forward to hopefully seeing all the treacherous remainders lose their seats, but the future is looking pretty grim for politics

I would rather keep the daily mail type speech out of this topic. If you donā€™t like a person or a individual just say so keep the hyperbole to a minimum. :stuck_out_tongue:

I agree Dianne Abbott is a worry, So is Tom Watson.
The thing is Labourā€™s polices directly benefit us the most by far.
Marxist principles are also not bad in practice. For labour it means housing for all not just the wealthy. Healthcare for all not just the healthy. No two tier school system(I disagree on this point)
etc etc.
To say he is a lunatic is rather unfair. I am not going to comment on the IRA thing as I know nothing about it and the anti-antisemitism thing is a complete smear job. He has never been anti-Semitic.

My main concern regarding Boris is his polices once Brexit is done and how it will impact on the poor and the workers.

adam277:
I would rather keep the daily mail type speech out of this topic. If you donā€™t like a person or a individual just say so keep the hyperbole to a minimum. :stuck_out_tongue:

I agree Dianne Abbott is a worry, So is Tom Watson.
The thing is Labourā€™s polices directly benefit us the most by far.
Marxist principles are also not bad in practice. For labour it means housing for all not just the wealthy. Healthcare for all not just the healthy. No two tier school system(I disagree on this point)
etc etc.
To say he is a lunatic is rather unfair. I am not going to comment on the IRA thing as I know nothing about it and the anti-antisemitism thing is a complete smear job. He has never been anti-Semitic.

You are insulted already?
I would rather you kept the guardian type speech out of the topic but I can ā– ā– ā– ā–  it up.
ā€œFriend of Hamasā€ is no euphemism, unlike Dorothy.
All that equality sounds great. It also sounds very expensive and you and I will be paying for it all. If we have a job left that is after implementing the 4 day week, unless your workplace has already been seized for not matching government ideology.
And open borders to boot.
What could go wrong?

No ā€˜otherā€™ or ā€˜none of the aboveā€™ on the list i see.

So as thereā€™s no BNP option by default it will have to be Nigeā€™s crew.

idrive:

adam277:
I would rather keep the daily mail type speech out of this topic. If you donā€™t like a person or a individual just say so keep the hyperbole to a minimum. :stuck_out_tongue:

I agree Dianne Abbott is a worry, So is Tom Watson.
The thing is Labourā€™s polices directly benefit us the most by far.
Marxist principles are also not bad in practice. For labour it means housing for all not just the wealthy. Healthcare for all not just the healthy. No two tier school system(I disagree on this point)
etc etc.
To say he is a lunatic is rather unfair. I am not going to comment on the IRA thing as I know nothing about it and the anti-antisemitism thing is a complete smear job. He has never been anti-Semitic.

You are insulted already?
I would rather you kept the guardian type speech out of the topic but I can ā– ā– ā– ā–  it up.
ā€œFriend of Hamasā€ is no euphemism, unlike Dorothy.
All that equality sounds great. It also sounds very expensive and you and I will be paying for it all. If we have a job left that is after implementing the 4 day week, unless your workplace has already been seized for not matching government ideology.
And open borders to boot.
What could go wrong?

Iā€™m not insulted. Just think saying ā€˜he hates our countryā€™ is a bit hyperbole especially since you can not prove it.
He is sympathetic to the Palestine cause as am I. Then again anyone who seems to show any sympathy for Palestinians and even mildly criticises the Israel government is deemed anti-Semitic. But this is a bit of non issue for me anyway. I am not gonna choose who I vote for based on their views on Palestine.

No idea how he will implement a 4 day week I can only imagine that this will be optional.

The open border thing is a possibility which does concern me but I am not going to vote just on brexit this election. The issue with the conservatives is what they will do after the brexit. They are making this entire election about brexit which is very worrying as that gives them 5 years in power after brexit is done to do what they want with potentially a huge majority.

Juddian:
No ā€˜otherā€™ or ā€˜none of the aboveā€™ on the list i see.

So as thereā€™s no BNP option by default it will have to be Nigeā€™s crew.

I thought the BNP and UKIP have faded into nothingness. Sorry. I should of included a ā€˜other partyā€™ option.

Are you really serious about voting BNP though? If so why?

Just added ā€˜otherā€™ option so poll has reset itself.

Canā€™t vote Labour with Corbyn and his cronies. Not a wealthy conservative voter but at least you will get Brexit done if they get the majority.

A bit buggered either way but no point voting for any other party.

With their association with Momentum and anti Semitic views, thereā€™s more chance of seeing Lord Lucan riding Shergar down Downing Street than you have of seeing Jeremy Corbyn walking through the door of number 10 Downing Street as Prime Minister.
Labours new version of Brexit which theyā€™ll implement after an in/out referendum, if they are elected appears to be as close to staying in Europe as itā€™s possible, this will no doubt include the free movement of people, a customs union, abiding by the European court of justice, and everything else that was there prior to Brexit.

Corbyn is a maniac and couldnā€™t be trusted to run a bath and will likely pursue a policy of a second vote on Brexit, his policies would ruin the economy and lead us to an IMF bailout like the Greeks and debt for a generation.

I grew up in the seventies and clearly remember the 3 day week rampant inflation the power cuts and so on anyone who thinks a marxist government is the answer is seriously deluded, all the policies like free prescriptions, abolition of tuition fees and the nationalisation of the railways all have to be paid for, socialism is great until it runs out of other peoples money.

On the other hand we have the Brexit party, a total non starter and a waste of anyones vote, they will never form a government and are just as dangerous as magic grandad.

So the default is the Conservatives, the only ones who have committed themselves to us leaving Europe.

And one more thing, if I hear one more deranged lefty say that the conservatives are going to sell of the NHS I will scream, it was the Labour government of Tony Blair that pursued the policy of PFIā€™s that have saddled the NHS with huge debt and many sub standard buildings.

I can see this thread ending well :laughing:

I can see this election being fought along the brexit lines. Voting for leave or remain parties. But what happens after the Brexit (or non Brexit) celebrations. Weā€™ll have a government in power for five years that was selected on one agenda. Make or break policies that will no doubt fly under the radar whilst people focus on an objective that should have been concluded two years ago. Definitely interesting times, and I for one dont know which way Iā€™ll vote when the time comes.

Conversation with my remainer mate, neither of us know whoā€™s worth voting for.

Do people seriously believe Johnson is going to leave with no deal?
Because i donā€™t, that document he returned with is Mayā€™s surrender treaty with a bit of tippexed alterations here and thereā€¦oh and heā€™s dropped the DUP in the ditch he proposed to die in if he didnā€™t deliver Brexit on the 31st :unamused: , the process proving once again (for those at the back) that you cannot trust a Tory, their word means nothing, as had been the case throughout the Common Market EEC EU debacle from day one, when Heath took us in on false pretences.

That deal of Johnsons is the sort of surrender document a vanquished leader of a country that had lost a war lasting several years at the cost of millions of lives would sign in ignominy, a leader with some vestige of honour after signing such a document would, in times gone past when men who proposed to lead still had honour, have smoked a cigar downed three fingers of brandy and blown his brains out.

Oh and the reason i would vote for the BNP again, Farage takes the credit for destroying them by the way, is that they were the original anti EU party when everyone and their dog in politics thought the EU the best thing since Y fronts, and most of them still do.

Weā€™re being take for a ride by the Tories once again people, do not be taken in, manifestos are mostly lies now, both main parties broke their manifestos and reneged on Brexit.
The Liberal Democrats, neither of which apply, are the only party telling the truth, the say they will not honour Brexit, if we had another referendum and it was still a Leave vote they would ignore itā€¦well at least they tell you they are anti democracy, the other showers are just lying to get your votes once again.

Oh boy i canā€™t wait till the canvassers come to our gate, theyā€™ll learn a thing or two just before i let the dogs loose.

Not a single vote for TIG(Anna Soubryā€™s party)
No wonder they donā€™t want a general election. :grimacing:

The poll indicates that a split in the leave vote might happen. It will be very interesting to see what decision Nigel Farage will make when he announces the plan for the Brexit Party.

Does anyone on this forum actually want to remain. :grimacing: ?

adam277:
Not a single vote for TIG(Anna Soubryā€™s party)
No wonder they donā€™t want a general election. :grimacing:

The poll indicates that a split in the leave vote might happen. It will be very interesting to see what decision Nigel Farage will make when he announces the plan for the Brexit Party.

Does anyone on this forum actually want to remain. :grimacing: ?

I am a Remainer, it would be an ideal time to announce that we wish to stay and would want to negotiate a better deal for the UKā€¦

I predict weā€™ll wind up with a minority Tory government unable to get the withdrawal agreement through Parliament by the end of January.

It all boils down to ā€œdelivering on their own promisesā€.

Corbyn would win - IF he comes up with a way of raising cash for his popular ā€œuniversal incomeā€ policy. However, at present it involves raising base income tax by at least 9%. That, in turn - is usually electoral suicide at the polls. If Corby suddenly came out for ā€œgetting his hands on the Brexit dividendā€ - by going into a coalition with Farage - then he could be PM by Christmas, despite not winning a majority. Farage - has already said he ā€œdoesnā€™t want to be in governmentā€ and only expects a coalition agreement to include a commitment to an IMMEDIATE No Deal Brexit. That would actually serve Corbyn very nicely indeed: He would be able to embark on his re-nationalization programme straight away, rather than wait for pie-in-the-sky Brexit that might yet never happen under any government ā€œwithout Farage in a coalitionā€ to force it.

Boris would win - if he steals Farageā€™s fire by promising a no deal Brexit, which of course raises the Brexit dividend immediately, since what you donā€™t pay over - is straight in the countryā€™s coffers.
Boris has already got a (poor) deal however, so Iā€™d actually rather not see Boris go on to win a majority now. Iā€™d say from my hardline Brext point of view - that it is actually essential that Boris loses net seats alongside Corbyn - if weā€™re to ever get a profitable Brexit done!

Swinson? I canā€™t see Remainers switching to Libdem - in case it lets Corbyn/Boris in. Which seats would they be targeting in any caseā– ā– ? They would presumably have to be Brexiteer MPs in strongly Remain-voting seatsā€¦ Not too many of those about though!

The SNP are already past their sell-by date. They are pushing for TWO 2nd referendums - both of which theyā€™ve already lost, leaving the UK and Preventing the UK from leaving the EU.
Time for them to be put out to pasture, I reckon. The seats that used to be SNP held - will divide up as around 10 seats for Libdem, Tory, and Labour respectively, with the last few going to Brexit Party in a surprise ambush of a three-way split Remain vote! (Eg. Libdem 7500, Labour 8000, Tory 8500, Brexit Party 9000, SNP 2500)

The Greens - might lose Brighton to a resurgent Labour vote.

The seats in play most of all - will be those that used to belong to ā€œstanding down MPsā€.

There are now three kinds of Brexit in play: Remain, Stealth Remain, and WTO Brexit.

If Boris wins a majority - his 100 or so Remainer MPs will forbid him to do a No Deal, and the ERG will suddenly turn against Borisā€™ deal, as that was just grandstanding when they voted for it beforehand. There wonā€™t be any support for any kind of Brexit outside of the ruling party by this point - so the deadlock would continue, all because the only thing Parliament are united upon - is keeping Brexit Party OUT of Westminster.

If Farage wins seats - it would need to be enough to make them a viable coalition partner WITHOUT any third party involvement. Iā€™d suggest at least as many seats as Cleggy had in 2010 when he found himself going into coalition with the wrong party at that point - because Gordon Brown lost too many seats, with Cleggy not having enough to get Brown over the line without a ā€œrainbowā€ involvement at that time.

So it comes down to (1) How much you want/are scared of Corbyn (2) How much you want a Brexit that fully funds public services, and finally ends austerity (3) How much time youā€™ve got to live, and just want politics to become unintense again, so you can get on with your life of moaning about things ā€œNot changingā€.

I for one, am no longer scared of Corbyn, so I donā€™t care if he gets in when I vote Farage.
The only Brexit worth having - is a ā€œclean breakā€ one, which Farage is on his own in offering.
I voted Brexit in the first place - to end austerity. I was a libdem voter before Brexit. Iā€™m homeless these days, but Iā€™ll worry about where my future votes go - once Brexit is done.

The worst result in this upcoming election imo - is one where ALL westminster parties lose seats - but Brexit Party "doesnā€™t win enough to put anyone into power ā€œby themselvesā€. I.e. a "non-kingmaker Brexit party in a VERY hung parliament.

With a bit of luck the SNP, Greens, and Libdems - will do so badly as to give a small boost to all parties - but not enough to get them over the line. Enter at that point Brexit Party who only need win the ā€œnumber of seats to make up the differenceā€.

The PEOPLE meanwhile - can be considered to be the ā€œbig winnersā€ in Election 2019 - IF they turn over as many incumbent MPs as possible. ALL parties, ā€œNo Quarter Expected nor givenā€ basisā€¦

The more that get turfed out - the better for everyone! We have a real opportunity to reform the WHOLE of Westminster hereā€¦

Iā€™ll be voting against my local MP. Perhaps others will consider doing the same, even if they supported that same MP in the past, as I did. :blush:

The lists above - show a LOT of ā€œvulnerable seatsā€, some of which the MP (over 50 already!) have decided to jump before they get pushed, and resign ahead of the election.

This will be an Iphone election with ā€œtactical votingā€ done on a scale yet to be seen, even as recently as 2017ā€¦ :bulb: