YouGov poll and break up of the UK

Yes, Brexiters wouldn’t mind if Scotland and Northern Ireland left the Union, as long as they could get their brexit.
What does it say about Brexiters?

express.co.uk/news/politics … nd-ireland

hkloss1:
Yes, Brexiters wouldn’t mind if Scotland and Northern Ireland left the Union, as long as they could get their brexit.
What does it say about Brexiters?

express.co.uk/news/politics … nd-ireland

It says that we’re democrats.You know don’t believe that Scottish MP’s should make laws that effect England and vice versa.Just like 2 Italian Communist votes shouldn’t trump one Brit vote in deciding what happens here.

What does that say about Remainers ?.
Undemocratic,dictatorial,gerrymandering, control freaks probably covers it.

Says far more about your increasingly desperate flailings tbh.

the maoster:
Says far more about your increasingly desperate flailings tbh.

Has the op broken his record player yet ? [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

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What’s a ‘flailings’ ■■? :slight_smile:

raymundo:
What’s a ‘flailings’ ■■? :slight_smile:

Well a flail is an old fashioned farm tool. So I guess a flailing is a smaller version.

I think post Brexit we will be producing flailings in the empty car factories, and selling them to other Third World countries on WTO terms and paying for our blue passports with the profit…

hkloss1:
Yes, Brexiters wouldn’t mind if Scotland and Northern Ireland left the Union, as long as they could get their brexit.
What does it say about Brexiters?

express.co.uk/news/politics … nd-ireland

What an embarrassing post.
For those who don’t want to click the link, it’s not about brexiteers, it’s about the members of the Conservative party being surveyed on Brexit.
In order for the OP to actually have a point then everyone who voted leave should have been surveyed by Yougov. As that didn’t happen and the OP is, as usual, desperate and a bit stupid he thought he would use the word brexiteers instead of Conservative Party members so as to infer some drama and get a little spotlight.
It doesn’t say anything at all about brexiteers as a whole wanting to break up the union, it does however say a lot about the OP and his usual clueless pathetic whining on the subject.
It’s getting harder and harder not to generalise about remainers as being desperate, angry and very thick when you have a specimen like HKloss leading the charge, it’s pitiful to read…yet again… :unamused:

What the YouGov survey does suggest is that Conservative and Unionist Party members, (you know,those who will get a say in who is to be our next PM), care more about Brexit than they do about keeping Scotland and N.I. in the U.K.
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61% of them would accept “significant damage” to the UK economy to achieve Brexit.
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We can all make of that what we will.

Franglais:
What the YouGov survey does suggest is that Conservative and Unionist Party members, (you know,those who will get a say in who is to be our next PM), care more about Brexit than they do about keeping Scotland and N.I. in the U.K.
We can all make of that what we will.

It’s bleedin obvious that they are all liars.There’s no way that anyone who doesn’t believe in the UK Federation would join a UK Federalist Party.The clue is in the title.

The real question is would they sell out the UK to the EU on the basis that to a ‘Unionist’ bigger means better.You know a bit like the TGWU amalgamating with Amicus to form UNITE.Don’t bother answering that question because we already know it. :unamused:

Norfolkinclue1:
It doesn’t say anything at all about brexiteers as a whole wanting to break up the union, it does however say a lot about the OP and his usual clueless pathetic whining on the subject.
It’s getting harder and harder not to generalise about remainers as being desperate, angry and very thick when you have a specimen like HKloss leading the charge, it’s pitiful to read…yet again… :unamused:

Ironically the contradiction between anyone being pro UK Union and anti European Union isn’t exactly bright.At the end of the day both mean a locally unelected,gerrymandered parliament,imposing policies on a one size fits all basis,on former independent sovereign nation states.

While if a UK union is supposedly so good then why not a bigger European one.Which is exactly how any committed Federalist would be expected to see it as proven by majority Con Party policy to date.

Boring !! No one cares !!

Grumpy Dad:
Boring !! No one cares !!

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Do Irish and Scottish remainers actually WANT to leave the UK though?

Scotland, has already voted 55/45 to stay, and they want a re-run.
Britain has voted 52/48 to leave, and they want a re-run.
If Hunt now becomes PM - will they also want the general election they’ve been pushing for on the Left of politics, or is Hunt the acceptable face of Toryism? “A Remainer who has no intention of delivering Brexit ever - BUT will pretend to be getting on with it, and wasting countless billions in that pretence - forever…”

Who says the UK needs to break up or otherwise go anywhere?

The EU have told us that we cannot leave under any circumstances, priced us out of any “deal” already, and their ruling uber alles ruleset - are dangerously close to turning us into a tax slavery colony.

Unless Boris defects to Brexit Party, and takes a load of ERG Tories WITH him, precipitating that election the Brexit Party could win now but not later - Brexit seems as far away as ever…

0% on the progress bar after three years.

100% away from being completed then. :frowning:

Winseer:
Do Irish and Scottish remainers actually WANT to leave the UK though?

Scotland, has already voted 55/45 to stay, and they want a re-run.
Britain has voted 52/48 to leave, and they want a re-run.
If Hunt now becomes PM - will they also want the general election they’ve been pushing for on the Left of politics, or is Hunt the acceptable face of Toryism? “A Remainer who has no intention of delivering Brexit ever - BUT will pretend to be getting on with it, and wasting countless billions in that pretence - forever…”

Who says the UK needs to break up or otherwise go anywhere?

How can anyone possibly defend maintaining the status quo,of having all the same flaws,in the form of the UK government system.In which the Scottish vote decides on English decisions and vice versa and cash subsidies going North of the border.While rightly wanting to leave the EU for all the same reasons.When it’s obvious that the issue of sovereignty/local democratic accountability applies just the same in the case of England and Scotland etc as it does for all of the European Nations.

If the Scottish referendum had actually included the entire UK to vote on it, like we foolishly allowed Scotland to vote on leaving the EU - the Scots would have won their referendum (because we Sassenachs would have voted to boot them!) whilst the EU referendum would have been something like 17m to 14m - a big enough 3m winning margin that would have killed off all this “Remainer Resistance” ■■■■■■■■ right from the day after the result came in…

Perhaps Cameron should have stayed, and ordered Osbourne to increase income tax by 5% each budget each year until the Tories lost a general election, or Brexit was completed…?

I blame the Remainer TORIES for stopping Brexit in it’s tracks, the Remainer TORIES for now likely electing Hunt rather than Bojo as the next PM, and I only blame LABOUR for not voting no confidence to bring down Hunt straight away, as they implied they would - but leaving out the caveat “We’d only bring down a Brexiteer PM”.

What will Labour supporters think, Leaver or Remainer - if Labour now LET Hunt stay as PM “unapposed”?

Even the hardest Corbynites - might start nashing their teeth - if made to wait until at least June 2022 by which point Corbyn might be gone from old age…

Scotland - ain’t going anywhere. They’ve already voted to Remain in the UK, and the EU says it doesn’t want a budded-off independent Scotland as a member of the EU, since they’d be just another country that takes out, rather than puts in. The irony here, is that you’d think that with the high percentage level of EEs that Scotland has taken over the past three years in particular - that the EU might be a bit more “Europhile-Friendly” TO Scotland, and put out some kind of announcement that “If Scotland should leave the UK, we would welcome them with open arms here at the EU”…

Because this has NEVER even been said however, I must conclude that the “Breakup of the UK” as suggested in OP - is even less likely to happen than Farage becoming the next PM!

The vote in Ulster - would go a lot more Brexit-Friendly, if we tore up the Good Friday Agreement, and disenfranchised Sinn Fein overnight.
If they start up their bombing campaign again, then we just wipe them out, which we should have done as a nation after the assassinations of Mountbatten, Neave, the Hyde Park Corner bombings, and of course the Brighton Bombings. That Thatcher “got stopped from retaliating properly” like she got stopped from re-introducing capital punishment - shows us all what massive damage the so-called “centre” of politics can DO to our politics.

The alternative, is we should hand over Ulster to Sinn Fein, and tell them “Well done murdering scumbags - you’ve proven that Bombs and Bullets DO work against a parliament with far too many wets in it!” :imp:

Winseer:
If the Scottish referendum had actually included the entire UK to vote on it, like we foolishly allowed Scotland to vote on leaving the EU - the Scots would have won their referendum (because we Sassenachs would have voted to boot them!) whilst the EU referendum would have been something like 17m to 14m - a big enough 3m winning margin that would have killed off all this “Remainer Resistance” ■■■■■■■■ right from the day after the result came

It’s a lot more complicated than that.In that the UK mindset is probably far more deeply entrenched among the Brit population ( and most importantly the ‘Head of State’ ) than you’re bargaining for.Which ironically then leaves the logical conclusion,that everything which they see as being ‘good’ about the UK Union can only also be ‘good’ or even ‘better’, if they then enlarge it to create a bigger but similar,centralised,undemocratic,gerrymandered,European Union behemoth.

So here we are to prove it with the Conservative ‘Unionist’ Party living up to its name since 1973 to date helped by HM. :bulb:

Winseer:
The vote in Ulster - would go a lot more Brexit-Friendly, if we tore up the Good Friday Agreement, and disenfranchised Sinn Fein overnight.
If they start up their bombing campaign again, then we just wipe them out, which we should have done as a nation after the assassinations of Mountbatten, Neave, the Hyde Park Corner bombings, and of course the Brighton Bombings. That Thatcher “got stopped from retaliating properly” like she got stopped from re-introducing capital punishment - shows us all what massive damage the so-called “centre” of politics can DO to our politics.

The alternative, is we should hand over Ulster to Sinn Fein, and tell them “Well done murdering scumbags - you’ve proven that Bombs and Bullets DO work against a parliament with far too many wets in it!” :imp:

Or we side lined the Tories on a ticket of firstly letting the Americans sort out the Irish problem.Along the lines of Nationalist means respecting the right of self determination of others ( in this case Ulster ).Which is more or less what happened saving loads of lives v your solution and didn’t see any need for,or conditions attached,which said we must remain part of the EU for it to stick.

Then allowing US diplomacy to sort out the Falklands issue starting with taking up the offer of the Carrier battle group which Weinberger put at our disposal which obviously would have been the end of the matter ‘if’ Thatcher hadn’t turned it down. :unamused:

As for the death penalty you mean the same death penalty which had to be abandoned because of cases like Ruth Ellis and Derek Bentley.

The lesson being be careful what you wish for and we don’t need to replace the EU with something even worse in the form of a pointless counterproductive lurch to the so called right.

The trouble with “solutions” that so-called “save lives” is that you let the bad guys win from a losing situation to start with, and there’s no justice. How can there ever be peace without justice?

Sinn Fein - not wiped out, and now our boys serving in NI under threat of prosecution for stuff done in war time decades past…

Do the Germans sue us for bombing Dresden next■■? :imp:

Winseer:
The trouble with “solutions” that so-called “save lives” is that you let the bad guys win from a losing situation to start with, and there’s no justice. How can there ever be peace without justice?

Sinn Fein - not wiped out, and now our boys serving in NI under threat of prosecution for stuff done in war time decades past…

Do the Germans sue us for bombing Dresden next■■? :imp:

No but Northumbria are citing Rome for erecting a wall without planning permission :laughing:

McGuiness set the ball rolling with that allowing PSNI to investigate, but the murdering ■■■■■■■ never faced justice for the crimes he committed and the orders he gave, the ■■■■ will burn in hell.
The Good Friday Agreement was one sided negotiations, those murdering ■■■■■ walk while our boys are treat like criminals.