brit pete:
Right , i hope that i do not open a can of worms ##however, Has not a law been passsed by the EU and all its members that trucks will be fitted with a SPEED-Limiterwhich shall be set at 85kmh +/- 5kmh which means if you drive at over 90kmh you are in breach of this law, which in turn means you can be done for speeding if i am not mistaken
Not quite Pete. The regulations require trucks to be fitted with a speed limiter which prevents them being powered beyond the set speed. If the momentum of the vehicle takes it beyond the set speed then that is not an offence, provided you do not exceed the limit for the road you are on, which is the situation faced by welshboy. If the limiter has been adjusted or tampered with so that the truck can be powered beyond the limits of the speed limiter legislation then you could face prosecution. However, it wouldn’t be a speeding offence, it would be for defective equipment or interfering with equipment, or something like that.
brit pete:
however i wonder what a german police man from the technical troop in NRW and even Bayern would say■■?
Well if they caught you doing 96 km in Germany I suspect they would have quite a lot to say on the matter but if they saw you had been doing 96 in the UK they couldn’t say or do anything. Actually they could say what they like but they couldn’t fine you for it, just as they couldn’t fine you for doing 90 km in Belgium or France.
aranger:
Was talking to a driver about euro work and he says this happened to him with regards the spot fine.
Don’t remember what it was but he got stopped and the plod demanded money but he refused so the cop wouldn`t allow him to move so he phoned his boss and the gist was his boss would pay direct to his station if he gave him the details and sure enough he was on his way minutes later with just a warning.
That was France too funnily enough.
On the spot fines, or deposits, are the norm through most of Europe, as is being parked up until payment is arranged if you haven’t got the funds on you, but that isn’t the issue here. The problem here was the offence he was being asked to pay for isn’t an offence and the copper was acting outside his jurisdiction.
aranger:
Was talking to a driver about euro work and he says this happened to him with regards the spot fine.
Don’t remember what it was but he got stopped and the plod demanded money but he refused so the cop wouldn`t allow him to move so he phoned his boss and the gist was his boss would pay direct to his station if he gave him the details and sure enough he was on his way minutes later with just a warning.
That was France too funnily enough.
On the spot fines, or deposits, are the norm through most of Europe, as is being parked up until payment is arranged if you haven’t got the funds on you, but that isn’t the issue here. The problem here was the offence he was being asked to pay for isn’t an offence and the copper was acting outside his jurisdiction.
I took the story to mean that the copper was at it and it was a nice wee earner for him to stop foreign drivers and demand cash and was wondering if that could be the case here.
Sorry I omitted to say no money was required after his boss demanded to pay elsewhere.
aranger:
I took the story to mean that the copper was at it and it was a nice wee earner for him to stop foreign drivers and demand cash and was wondering if that could be the case here.
Those days are mostly long gone, at least in Western Europe. You get receipts these days, and while it certainly happened in days of old stories of it happening in recent years need to be taken with a large pinch of salt.
Coffeeholic:
Not quite Pete. The regulations require trucks to be fitted with a speed limiter which prevents them being powered beyond the set speed. If the momentum of the vehicle takes it beyond the set speed then that is not an offence, provided you do not exceed the limit for the road you are on, which is the situation faced by welshboy. If the limiter has been adjusted or tampered with so that the truck can be powered beyond the limits of the speed limiter legislation then you could face prosecution. However, it wouldn’t be a speeding offence, it would be for defective equipment or interfering with equipment, or something like that.
Excactly my point, but explained perfectly well in correct English
It is not just this post, but there are a lot of drivers fined for non offences, some are just made up, some must be genuine but my first trip to Europe was in 1976 and my last one was 2009. I think I have only paid 4 bonds in that time. I have never followed the court case up though. Maybe someone owes me money
No seatbelt. - Bang to rights
Overtaking on a non overtaking bit. Guilty
Not carrying enough previous cards. Guilty but lying about cards in underwear
Speeding with ADR load- Easier to agree to guilty as I didn’t have correct tremcard either.
Does that make me some kind of goody two shoes? Certainly not, it makes me a proper Yorkshireman who begrudges giving up owt for nowt. I have stood my ground several times and worked out the plod who are trying it on and the ones who have a valid reason for demanding money with or without menaces
So what about Austria?
Years ago I’m being told that if I drive into Austria with a card showing I’ve exceeded 80k’s that day, the Austrians would nick me for speeding. If I remember correctly at Passau we had to show that days card at the customs/police control.
berewic:
So what about Austria?
Years ago I’m being told that if I drive into Austria with a card showing I’ve exceeded 80k’s that day, the Austrians would nick me for speeding.
They could try but if the over 80 km wasn’t in Austria they couldn’t do you.
berewic:
If I remember correctly at Passau we had to show that days card at the customs/police control.
You did, but that was to the German police, not the Austrian. I’ve been done that way. I arrived at the border and produced two charts (actually I later learned if you changed discs when you parked up the night before they only looked at that days with the rest period on it because they were mainly looking for the rest so you only needed to show one chart) and they saw 90 km or so on the chart they relived me of 30 Marks. German police nicking me for speeding in Germany, no problem.
manowar:
Incidentally, was your lorry Spanish registered Welshboy? If that was the case, I bet that’s at least partly why you were targeted.
Yes it is Spanish reg which usually means in france they leave us alone and pick on every uk plated truck.
the amount of times i´ve seen the douanes only pulling uk trucks is unbelievable.
probably pulled me cos i´ve got welsh flag on back doors of trailer and front of cab and he might be a sad french rugby fan
He said the lorry wasnt going to move■■? ummm… how would he stop you■■? I know they carry guns over there, but sheesh.
Though something has got me thinking… didnt the EU just bring in something about speeding in foreign countries and getting fined/points on your country of origin licence■■? Maybe, just maybe, this french copper didnt even look at the plate, just saw the flags and thought, “crazy english driver, fine him get promotion.”
Coffeeholic:
Why? It is already as clear as it can be that the authorities in one country cannot prosecute people for offences carried out in another, that’s why there is such a thing as extradition.
I don’t think that’s entirely true - the law was certainly changed recently so that a driver caught committing a tacho offence could be prosecuted in any EU country (e.g. if you drove for more than 4.5 hours in, say, Germany, you used to have to be prosecuted in Germany, but now you can be prosecuted in any country). Whether the change is sufficiently broad to encompass speeding, I’m not sure.
SWraith:
[maybe, this french copper didnt even look at the plate, just saw the flags and thought, “crazy english driver,”
Crazy alright - Welsh flags crazy English
Sadly for many European languages ‘English’ is a synonym for ‘British’. I know Polish, Czech, French and in all that languages most people don’t see the difference.
