Wouldnt wanted to have been on this ferry today

Yes I have the info and if you care to check thru the MCA (maritime & coastguard agency) web site you would see the same. Here are a few instances I recall:-
Ship hits gas platform and eventually sinks… Polish master arrested and jailed. ■■■■■■ on watch.
Ship runs aground on Isle of Jura… Polish master ■■■■■■ on watch… Extensive bottom damage and putting lives at risk. Arrested and fined, he should have been jailed as well.(I relieved him on a couple of occasions so know how bad he was).
London bound chemical tanker … Polish master ■■■■■■ on watch… Arrested charged and jailed.
Vessel about to sail from Southampton… Polish master arrested for being ■■■■■■ and about to sail and jailed (I knew him as I worked for the same company at the time)
And now the Moon
What does that tell you Orys, or is it a mere coincidence?
Another recent one I forgot, Polish master was arrested on arrival into a north east port, guess why? Oh yes! he was as ■■■■■■ as a parrot.

And as I work with all nationalities I can hardly be prejudiced just truthful. I won’t work for less so maybe one of your countrymen will have my job soon as well, and the owner Will need a new ship.
Like you say no worse than any others. Wot a load of ■■■■■■■■ pal!

One incidence caused by booze is one too many. Luckily no-one has yet lost their life because of it.

Alcohol on the rigs is a big no no, get your so called experienced friend to get his facts right, stick to your knowledge of little vans if I were you.
Whiskey Galore was a fictional story about the factual sinking of the ss President and as a film may just have contained a wee bit of poetic license.ie. ■■■■■■■■ or bs, if the censor cuts in.

I’m on a roll now you got me started…
A large Irish shipping company has now made it an instant dismissal for any one found with spirits in their possession, they largely employ at present mainly … Officers. Why? Because of its abuse.
A London based shipping company will not be renewing any contracts with their … Officers because of damage etc.

Will leave you fill in the blanks Orys

Well, browsed the website for a while, used search engine as well and first few results that came of were about incidents where to blame were people of following nationalities:

  • British
  • Indian (or something similar, judging from his surname, when it’s not about Poles they don’t give nationality, which proves my point).
  • Russian
  • Polish
  • British.

Let’s check the “prosecutions” now to see who was prosecuted for some things realted to marine safety:
Defendant: Mr MacDonald at Stornoway Sheriff’s Court
Defendant: Mr McGivern
Defendant: Th. Jacobsen
Defendant: Mr Graham Stronge
Defendant: Mr Simon Wills
Defendant: Mr Antony Wilkinson
Defendant: Mr Jan Baarssen
Defendant: Mr Oman
Defendant: Stephen Clark
Defendant: Ian Hurford
Defendant: Michael Spreadbury
Defendant: Tomas Kucius (first Eastern European name, Lithuanian car driver failed to declare dangerous goods on the ferry).
Defendant: Brian Witdoeckt,
Defendant: George Howarth
Defendant: Jack Abry
Defendant: Mr Sebastien Filipowicz and Mr Piotr Jakobek (first Polish names, two lorry drivers, faliure to declare ADR goods again).
Defendant: Mr Peter Laity
Defendant: Captain Rajesh K Singh
Defendant: Skipper Rense Johannes de Boer
Defendant: George Pill Senior
Defendant: William Britton and Ryan Sandall
Defendant: Richard Johnston Jnr
Defendant: Mr Keith Johnathon MacGregor

Thats all data from your website two years back. Somehow I fail to see significance of the Polish thread to British Marine Safety…

Now I try to look for your examples, sadly you did not bothered to provide any sources, googling.

First example from your list is back in 2007. Yes, he was Polish.

I can’t find any info about second example of yours, but it might be the situation where I was involved as an interpreter. If yes I can’t speak about it, but obviously I can confirm he was Polish.

Third example of your list: the man in question was Ukrainian. Ukraine, Belarus, Russia is quite a different world, altough still Slavic.

Fourth example of your list: Ukrainian (you worked with the guy and you can’t say the difference if he was Polish or not? That for sure makes you expert on the subject :smiley:)

Don’t really have the time to look for the last one.

So what does it tell me?

Of your 4 examples of allegedly Polish people, one of them was Polish and one was likely to be Polish if we think about the same case.

If you look at the general list of the incidents, the Moon incident is a first serious one in last 5 years.

So what does it tell me? It tells me that you see what you want to see and therefore further discussion is futile. I made my point, you can feel free to believe whatever you want.

Alcohol on the rigs is a big no no, get your so called experienced friend to get his facts right, stick to your knowledge of little vans if I were you.

Yeah, keep believing in your perfect world :wink: Anyway, what he said was that “on the sea all nations drinks the same”.

Whiskey Galore was a fictional story about the factual sinking of the ss President and as a film may just have contained a wee bit of poetic license.ie.

:slight_smile: Off course, but it is a picture of the culture in question. I refered to it as to example of drinking culture, not as a reference to marine incidents.

I’m on a roll now you got me started…

Oh, have fun. I hope you forgive me that I won’t be following it any more. I spend already 15 minutes vetting your claims and I already establshed that you just pick the incidents that are to support your theory.

I am not saying that all Polish seaman are golden boys, I am just saying that they are no worse, or no better than anyone else.

Orys, read my post again if you haven’t gone off sulking…

Exceeding a fishing quota is hardly in the same league as risking life and limb.
Wouldn’t have thought non declaration of dangerous goods on a ferry is very responsible either.
I repeat… The majority of Polish seafarers are ■■■■■■■■■■ end off, no getting away from the actual facts. Salut & cheers or na zdrowie

raymundo, you have PM. (not about the Polish discussion).

Moon incident the last serious one five years ago ■■
mv Fingal, couple years ago or less, driven onto rocks on north end of Jura because the polish master was ■■■■■■■ not serious !!. Oban lifeboat crew had to take the bloody ship to anchor. Captain said he needed another drink to calm his nerves. It was only someone watching his AIS track and reporting to the coastguard that he was aground, he tried to run but luckily never got far. It happened when all the others were in bed although there are supposed to be a minimum of two on watch on the bridge. He deserved to do serious time for that.

raymundo:
Moon incident the last serious one five years ago ■■
mv Fingal, couple years ago or less, driven onto rocks on north end of Jura because the polish master was ■■■■■■■ not serious !!. Oban lifeboat crew had to take the bloody ship to anchor. Captain said he needed another drink to calm his nerves. It was only someone watching his AIS track and reporting to the coastguard that he was aground, he tried to run but luckily never got far. It happened when all the others were in bed although there are supposed to be a minimum of two on watch on the bridge. He deserved to do serious time for that.

MV Fingal went aground in 2007, and we already discussed this case. Do you think that by repeating some rubbish over and over you will make people believe it?

(well, Goebbels did just that, Daily Mirror managed to do the same with the Polish question - as we can see here on that forum - so that might be a stupid question :smiley: )

Exceeding a fishing quota is hardly in the same league as risking life and limb.
Wouldn’t have thought non declaration of dangerous goods on a ferry is very responsible either.

Yet according to the prosecutions section of the website you yourself provided as trustworty source, back to beginning of 2010 the non declaration was the only one serious accident that someone from Eastern Europe was resposible for. In the same time people of other nationalities (often British) were doing some much serious stuff. Which proves my point - you just see what you want to see.

I repeat…

You can also stamp and wave your hands if that will make you feel any better. But your rubbish won’t become any more true from it :wink:

The majority of Polish seafarers are ■■■■■■■■■■ end off

Some say that making sweeping statements tells the true, but only about person who makes these statements. I think we should leave it here.

OK Orys, I think it’s a good idea too, as you’ve proved me wrong on all counts.

BTW. It was the same Polish skipper who put her ashore south of Arran in '07 and at Jura couple years or so later.

raymundo:
OK Orys, I think it’s a good idea too, as you’ve proved me wrong on all counts.

Not on all, but on many proving that your general sweeping statement is wrong. Off course it’s easier to you to unsuccessfully attempt to use sarcasm than to admit that you were wrong. So I guess this is where we are leaving it.

BTW. It was the same Polish skipper who put her ashore south of Arran in '07 and at Jura couple years or so later.

Yeah, I just checked it, I think this is the guy I was dealing with as an interpreter and therefore I should not comment on that case. In general I can tell you that I had my fair share of drunks when working as police interpreter and I remember this particular case very well, which proves that this was something well over the norm for Polish community.

On the side: we have 2 cases mentioned by you made by one … (fill that space, I think I will agree with you on that particular case :wink: ) , that further weakens your general statement about all of them being the same… Because that reduces the number of Polish marine wrongdoers during last 5 years from 4 to 3.

That’s me for today, have to do some useful work, take care! :wink:

Orys, what did he need an interpreter for, his English was OK. could understand every word he said. Or was he trying to pull a fast one ?

I am sorry, I can’t speak about it, I hope you understand why.

No mention of the master of the Fingal being drunk here. Asleep yes, not drunk. Surely he would have been breathalysed?

maib.gov.uk/publications/com … fingal.cfm

Driveroneuk:
No mention of the master of the Fingal being drunk here. Asleep yes, not drunk. Surely he would have been breathalysed?

maib.gov.uk/publications/com … fingal.cfm

Why should he? He was Polish, so everything is obvious… At least for Raymundo :slight_smile:

Can’t comment on Polish, but the comment about Eastern Europeans all being drunks, well, I spend a lot of time in Bulgaria, and although they do drink, they don’t drink like the brits, they usually alternate between an alcoholic drink and a water, they take their time drinking etc

orys:

Driveroneuk:
No mention of the master of the Fingal being drunk here. Asleep yes, not drunk. Surely he would have been breathalysed?

maib.gov.uk/publications/com … fingal.cfm

Why should he? He was Polish, so everything is obvious… At least for Raymundo :slight_smile:

That was his first grounding, the second on Jura where he was tested and found positive resulted in a 3 1/2 grand fine, and the sack while the ship had half a new bottom.

You’re right:

forargyll.com/2010/01/drunken-fi … ined-3300/

Wonder why there’s nothing on MAIB about it?

The MAIB investigates incidents where UK registered vessels are concerned, in the case of the Fingal which is registered in The Nederland Antilles they are supposed to carry out their own investigation but rarely bother as its one of those mickey mouse flag states that are in it solely for the fees they get.
In the UK it’s the MCA that makes life difficult whether you’re guilty of something or innocent, bit like VOSA.