Would you return to road transport

gardnersmoke:
An intelligent man would probably say ‘They are taking the lorry driver for granted’ That old saying ‘If you’ve got it a lorry brought it’ has never been so true and the other famous saying ‘If the roads be the veins of Britain then the lorry is the blood’ should worry government ministers but i honestly believe they really do not fear Britain’s lorry drivers which says alot about 'our ’ standing in this country. They havn’t thought this thing through correctly otherwise you would be earning £100 an hour !! God they’ve had enough warnings…remember the tanker drivers strike, it only lasted days, brought the country to a halt. Has anyone else contemplated what the hell would happen if every lorry driver decided not to get out of bed for a week?..So next time a manager or politician talks about you like you’re a nobody just remember it’s only your good nature that stands between a good wage and anarchy !!..On the ‘should I go back into driving’ note?..Nah!!..give it some more thought when the powers that be come to their senses. :unamused: Thank you and goodnight.

Actually those in charge have been rather more clever than you give them credit for, and because drivers are easily bamboozled they’ve aided and abetted, even welcomed, their own increasingly unimportant role in the transport industry.

The miners a case to point, Thatcher groomed the breakaway miners then shafted them dry when the time was right just like the NUM lads?..OK thats a simplistic version of events but working people getting into bed with big business and their paid front men/women doesn’t usually bode well for those self same working people once they no longer suit the purpose of the moment…shades of ‘‘your country needs you’’ till the wars over then you’re just another bloody working class nobody?

Back to lorries, there was a time when a lorry wouldn’t go anywhere unless a lorry driver of some competence and reasonable strength got behind the wheel and drove it, increasingly drivers have got lazier and went for ever less physical work, understandable up to a point.
They didn’t want handball, who does, then they didn’t to rope and sheet…now its gone full circle and VOSA want to see secured loads in curtain siders and they’re moaning again about having to secure loads…will they ever see the bigger picture i don’t know, when any fool can carry a load any fool will do it.

Also they signed their own eventual redundancies by welcoming and now demanding lorries that drive themselves, all that’s needed in an awful lot of driving work now is the ability to see and steer is enough to run a good proportion of the country’s distribution, should drivers decide to down tools those in charge could train up enough people to replace them in next to no time, the age of the lorry chauffeur has arrived and drivers have welcomed it with open arms, their own hard won previous premium wages for skilled and manual work gorn out the window in most cases, Christ they don’t even need to find their own way any more what with pratnav and apps.

Go onto the trainees forum and you’ll find lots of people are passing Class 1 tests (of increasingly dubious worth IMO, bit like degrees in yoghourt knitting) in a matter of hours of on road training, well they will do, auto box, point and squirt, no need for gear control, no worries about brake fade or anything else…its all in the past doncha know :unamused: … be under no illusions they can replace most of us (there will always be specialised un/loading operations but any bloody fool can chauffer the lorry there and back) in a blink of an eye…oh and by the way be under no illusions that we’ll be leaving the EU no matter who gets in and whatever promises are made, a constant oversupply of willing ever cheaper labour is what our country’s economy is now based on, divide and rule rules, it always has done it always will i’m afraid.

You only have to look at the train drivers, they didn’t allow their jobs to be undermined, cheapened, deskilled, and they protected their proper jobs by sticking together in one union, we had much to learn from the train drivers and we blew it.
Yes their time will no doubt come when they’ll be automated out, but they’ve had a ■■■■ sight longer bite of cherry than lorry drivers had.

Yep - The truth hurts.I would go for plumbing - it ain’t rocket science, but if you are good at it and don’t rip people off, you will build up a client base that should sustain you through the quiet times,and as long as you work for yourself (eventually) you will do well. Best of luck whichever way you go.
Somebody who seeks advice will do well. Jim.

NO! I did my bit in the UK in the early 60s and in Oz up until 75, and at 74, no bloody way would I do it again. It was great when I first started, every trip was an adventure, but from an intellectual perspective, it was like Auschwitz without the gas.

gardnersmoke:
Late to this thread but I have been driving all my life and am itching to retire at the age of 65 in two years time…I can’t wait !! I think times have changed, some for the better but alot for the worse. When I started there were no phones in cabs, no mobiles, the job consisted of ‘You’ making decisions, only when it went ‘■■■■ up’ did you call (from a phone box, reverse charge call) the office. In those days they threw the ball into your court and (if you were sharp) batted it back very quickly !! The plus side of driving has always been the sun rises and sunsets you get to see, I recall seeing so many great things, fox cubs playing in the snow being just one of them, just witnessing the changing seasons every year has always been taken for granted by most drivers, had I have been working in a warehouse with no windows and those bloody awful orange lights, never mind fox cubs playing in the snow you couldn’t tell if it was day or night until you left for home and the weather would remain a mystery until the end of your shift no doubt. In the ‘good old days’ ( please bare with me on this one, I sense most old lorry drivers beginning to yawn at those very words) I remember pulling onto the hard shoulder of the M1 with a ‘dicky’ rear light and three lorries pulling off to make sure I was ok !!, the advent of the ‘phone’ has put paid to all that !! you could, and it has actually happened, that drivers have died with the onset of a heart attack and only been found when the police arrive to check up on a stationary lorry on a motorway. Safe in that warehouse job you will have first aiders ready to administer help should you suddenly fall to the factory floor, not so in the transport industry. Back before cab radios were common place, if you wanted music you either whistled or sang, there was no alternative. Many hours spent alone in a cab gave rise to alot of long distance drivers becoming ‘Chatty Cathies’ once they were reintroduced to their fellow men, it was common when one stopped for a break to have one of these poor souls bombard you with a hail of nonsense should you get cornered before you had a chance to make your get away!! I’m proud to say I never had a CB radio ever and my guess is most of these veritable word smiths found solace in this equipment which meant they continued to talk crap but to like minded morons. Even today I fail to see the benefits of calling the ‘motorway’ the ‘superslab’ rather like cockney slang hardly ever abbreviates ‘Apples and Pears’…‘Stairs’…what’s that all about? No, the cell phone has been a blessing and a curse in transport, now throwing the ball back in ‘their’ court has never been easier but with the onset of this technology what appears to be an easy day can turn into a nightmare within minutes in transport. I could go on with all these facts but it’s a well trodden path by all lorry drivers who have spent a few decades behind a wheel so I’ll leave it there, suffice to say the biggest gripe I hear nowadays is the famous ‘old cookie’ about kids running transport instead of coming up through the ranks, on this one I have to agree, an ex driver knows what you’re up against and will view a major ‘■■■■ up’ with at least the hint of an understanding smile, not so this new breed of managers I’m afraid.
A ‘would be’ HGV driver starting out now would have to be insane to even contemplate investing their hard earned cash in gaining a licence, one it costs a fortune, two there are now written exams and three even if you pass all these tests there is no guarantee of a job at the end of it and when you do finally find a company willing to let you loose in one of their expensive vehicles they will talk to you like you’re some unwanted crap on their shoe until you can prove your not !! This doesn’t always apply either, I have worked for managers who have no experience in transport at all. I am quietly proud of the fact (touch wood) I have never killed, maimed or been involved in a serious accident in 42 years of HGV driving but it still didn’t stop this ‘class one pratt’ (Freudian slip there) handing out disciplinary after disciplinary for such ridiculous actions as climbing up the side of a lorry the wrong way !!..if it’s the wrong way how come I have never suffered any major (or minor) injury in all my time driving? We all know back in the day if a moron arrived looking for a job with less intelligence of that of a lump of wood he would have been given short shrift, not so today, they’ll take anyone who they can bully and mould into their way of thinking meaning that now all these rules and regulations are there to insure that ‘the company’ don’t land a gigantic claim in the laps after two weeks of work. We all have to work to the lowest common denominator and it would seem we are stuck with this forever now. Just remember when they talk to you like you’re something the cat brought in, if you make one mistake (however simple) you could end up in prison, mentally scarred or out of pocket to the tune of thousands of pounds. Apparently bankers and the stock market are paid handsomely (millions in some cases) because they have very responsible jobs handling this countries finances, one slip of the keyboard can wipe more money than you can imagine from the books. You on the other hand earn (in some cases £7 an hour for driving class one vehicles) a mediocre wage and (God forbid) when you make a mistake may take countless poor souls with you to the grave (women and children included) but I’m afraid you won’t be getting bonuses in the millions for achieving the simple (?) act of not killing and maiming innocent human lives !!
A fact that should be remembered here (and I do literally fear a call from a government officer) is a very very simple fact that tells me powers that be do not fear or value the likes of lorry drivers today. In my life time the dockers, railwaymen and miners all had the capability of bringing this country to it’s knees in less than a week!! such was their power. The dockers were gotten rid of via government policies, the miners were got rid of by Thatcher in the 80’s and the railwaymen are now virtually powerless…whose hands have successive governments transferred all this power to?..ROAD TRANSPORT…I have a theory, they don’t believe the common lorry driver has the intelligence to understand what a powerful weapon he has been given. Has it ever crossed your mind how much successive governments (Labour and Conservative) have invested in building and improving Britain’s road infrastructure? Considering these well paid ‘numpties’ of all political persuasions have had some of the finest (and most expensive) education this country can provide, they do (to me anyway) ,seem to be cramming rather an awful lot of eggs into one basket and at the risk of looking like the cocksure buffoons they really are. An intelligent man would probably say ‘They are taking the lorry driver for granted’ That old saying ‘If you’ve got it a lorry brought it’ has never been so true and the other famous saying ‘If the roads be the veins of Britain then the lorry is the blood’ should worry government ministers but i honestly believe they really do not fear Britain’s lorry drivers which says alot about 'our ’ standing in this country. They havn’t thought this thing through correctly otherwise you would be earning £100 an hour !! God they’ve had enough warnings…remember the tanker drivers strike, it only lasted days, brought the country to a halt. Has anyone else contemplated what the hell would happen if every lorry driver decided not to get out of bed for a week?..So next time a manager or politician talks about you like you’re a nobody just remember it’s only your good nature that stands between a good wage and anarchy !!..On the ‘should I go back into driving’ note?..Nah!!..give it some more thought when the powers that be come to their senses. :unamused: Thank you and goodnight.

Probably the best post I have ever read on this site. Congrats Sir on your excellent post.

Been driving over 40 yrs and a few months ago I got made redundant. All those years I have loved the job, carried all sorts of loads on many different types of vehicle. In that time I’ve never had a serious accident or conviction but the last 12 months I have been numbed by all the rules, regs and idiotic H&S crap besides being treated like a complete novice and facing what amounts to hell on the roads now, with no one having any consideration for anybody else.
The lorries of today have all the comforts we ever wished for in days gone by at the cost of being totally boring, lacking in any character and total isolated from the dynamics of the loads being carried.
I never ever thought I would reach this point and have been offered other work but I feel like it wouldn’t bother me if I never saw the inside of a lorry again.
Yes I would jump back in time in a BigJ or ERF in a heartbeat but that ain’t happening and for anybody that has been out of this job for a while they will find a big culture shock going back.
Driver shortage ? I’m not really surprised !

carryfast-yeti:
i’ve been driving hgv’s for 35 years…got just under 7 to go to retirement.another thing that is worrying these days,is the amount of drivers ending up in prison for what used to be classed as an ‘accident’.so,what happened ‘gazsa401’,are you still shunting? or have you put your 401 back on the road earning a living ? :wink:

Hiya Carryfast I’m still shunting at Imperial Tobacco we’ve been giving quite a generous retraining allowance
I’ve been offered a job driving buses but i told them I’d rather cut me arm off !!!
So I’m gonna do my DCPC and keep my licence going as something to fall back on
But talking to the many drivers that come into our place I can genuinely say 90% of them say don’t come back full time
So it’s gonna be another career and before you all laugh I’m looking in to being a self employed oven cleaner
I think I can get the 401 on most peoples streets lol it’ll be more interesting than turning up in a ■■■■■■ van !!!

Realisticly I know that I will never return ‘Professionally’ to the wonderfull world of road transport as I’m not doing the DCCP, however I intend to keep my licence going just incase anyone ever needs a vehicle taking somewhere for repair etc. Still like to think that I could contribute something someday, no matter how small! :slight_smile: Well you have to dream haha! Of course I MIGHT just win the lottery and then a classic commercial may appear in my ownership, however I believe that you have to buy a ticket to stand much of a chance of winning? :confused: :laughing:

Pete.

Gazsa 401 you must have got your self in a bubble shunting. most men who did the shunting were near retirement why did you come off the road .the only advice i would give is that most drivers will wind you up, just for the crack.make your own mind up.
Gardenersmoke classic.

I’ve enjoyed my time as a shunter its gave me a good life
I came off the road cos the firm I was working for was being ruined by “graduates” it was a long established old fashioned general haulage company
Both my Grandads worked there my Dad worked there as too did 2 of my uncles
The shunting job was with one of our customers I ended up earning more money for half the hours I was doing going down the road all week
I left Stirlands in 2003 after just over 20 years there sadly TDG shut it down in 2006 so in hindsight it was a good move