Winter tyres on car

Juddian:
Winter tyres are designed to work below 7’C, with grip increasing as the temp drops, the sipes in the treat designed to ‘grip’ the snow, and yes in snow/slush conditions they do work, and they are better on icy roads.
However on reasonably cold wet roads, which describes the UK road network for the majority of winter, and especially where salt has been laid for several days and then gets damp and becomes mushy, you can find those expensive full winters not as grippy as decent normal tyres.

Answering your questions.
Not really any noisier but those sipes can set a sort of buzzing noise up on dry tarmac, its not loud or unpleasant in any way.
It’s not the best cost time to get winter tyres, the time to get those is in the spring and early summer when prices fall drastically.
You should not mix winter and summer tyres, because the grip values will alter considerably depending on conditions, if you put 2 winters on the drive axle you’ll have more grip from the other end in the dry/wet, and then the grip will alter when its gets freezing, if you go on Youtube there’s some interesting videos showing what happens when they are mixed, scary stuff.
Full winters used all year round would wear quickly in the summer and give very disappointing grip in the warm weather.

Much depends on what sort of car you have, and more importantly what tyre size you are on, if you’re on elastic bands (ie 30/45 aspect) the chances are they’ll be bloody hopeless in snow, if you’re on more sensible stuff like 55/65 aspect then more likely to reasonable.

My own suggestion of you’re changing tyres anyway is to go for decent all season, such as Michelin Cross Climate or Goodyear’s equivalent, and i’ve also had very good results from Vredestein Quatracs over the years, and near enough half the price of the Mich’s.
By the ways genuine all season tyres comes with the snowflake and mountain symbol, some tyres are called all season but do not have this stamping, they are therefore not winter rated and their all season rating is ■■■■■■■■.
Some people confuse M&S with all season, all M&S means is that a higher percentage of the tread is open than more more slick normal tyres, it has no bearing on the rubber mixture or cold weather rating.

If you would prefer to stick to normal summer tyres, the best all rounder in the wet i’ve ever found have been Uniroyal Rain Experts, these are nearly as good as all season tyres in the winter in my humble opinion, Rain Experts become RainSport as the aspect ration drops, ie if you have 45 aspect tyres then it will be Rainsports, these are not quite as good as the Experts in the snow i would suggest, but that is only my opinion.
Thay don’t last everso well but cheap as chips (Camskill have the best prices on these) and the wet grip is worth it.

I take tyres seriously, personally i run all season (snowflake stamped) Yokohamas on my 4x4, these are brilliant in all weathers, like the proverbial to a blanket in the wet, but can feel a bit ‘squashy’ in hot dry weather, but its hardly a sports car so i can live with that minor gripe.
The Mrs rather faster AWD thingy (a bloody flying machine) i have just swapped onto the winter set of wheels/tyres which came with her previous same make car, not too sure about how they are gripping tbh (though absolutely fine on her previous heavier car) and it’s highly likely those particular winters will be coming off and a set of all seasons or Rain Experts going on.

There that’s clear as mud innit :laughing:

Interesting comments there .I was talking to a tyre man the other day and he said dont buy 4 winter tyres buy 2 and he was selling them. I’m same as the guy who started this thread i have no idea whats best.I have a Volvo S90 and it loves snow (once you get it into some it wont come out) and i am going to buy a couple of winter tyres for the front pretty soon but after reading your comments im having second thoughts .

ramone:

Juddian:

Interesting comments there .I was talking to a tyre man the other day and he said dont buy 4 winter tyres buy 2 and he was selling them. I’m same as the guy who started this thread i have no idea whats best.I have a Volvo S90 and it loves snow (once you get it into some it wont come out) and i am going to buy a couple of winter tyres for the front pretty soon but after reading your comments im having second thoughts .

Sorry if i’ve stuck a stick in yer spokes there Ramone :blush: .

The danger comes in braking as well as cornering, especially if you’re in snow or ice where you could be in the unenviable position of your front wheels gripping and your rears not.

Nice car though (you’re not short of a few bob :smiling_imp: ), my honest opinion would be to either search out a used set of alloys that fit yours, maybe even smaller diameter wheels (handbook should show if that’s an option) with higher aspect tyres and fit with whatever winters you like for the season then swap the wheels over as and when you feel like…this option has the added benefit of your nice wheels never seeing any more salt :bulb: , which if they’re diamond cut and laquered is a very valid consideration.

Or keeping to the one set of wheels maybe invest a full set of all season tyres for all year use instead if your current rubber is getting a bit worn.

My old RWD Volvos were brilliant in the snow, though with RWD you always had the option of chucking weight in the back to help out, that is one down side to FWD, you can’t do much to increase the weight on the engine end, but in fairness those old volvo were shod on 195/65 x 15 tyres, not exactly the elastic bands of today.

This is one of the best and simple videos i’ve seen on this subject youtube.com/watch?v=8cBSWEhimdA
Keep in mind that in the USA your bog standard summer tyres are called all season.
Here in europe it’s generally accepted that an all season tyre is snowflake/mountain stamped so qualifies for winter use where applicable.
check this one too youtube.com/watch?v=K7xXDMkVFlE

Juddian:

ramone:

Juddian:

Interesting comments there .I was talking to a tyre man the other day and he said dont buy 4 winter tyres buy 2 and he was selling them. I’m same as the guy who started this thread i have no idea whats best.I have a Volvo S90 and it loves snow (once you get it into some it wont come out) and i am going to buy a couple of winter tyres for the front pretty soon but after reading your comments im having second thoughts .

Sorry if i’ve stuck a stick in yer spokes there Ramone :blush: .

The danger comes in braking as well as cornering, especially if you’re in snow or ice where you could be in the unenviable position of your front wheels gripping and your rears not.

Nice car though (you’re not short of a few bob :smiling_imp: ), my honest opinion would be to either search out a used set of alloys that fit yours, maybe even smaller diameter wheels (handbook should show if that’s an option) with higher aspect tyres and fit with whatever winters you like for the season then swap the wheels over as and when you feel like…this option has the added benefit of your nice wheels never seeing any more salt :bulb: , which if they’re diamond cut and laquered is a very valid consideration.

Or keeping to the one set of wheels maybe invest a full set of all season tyres for all year use instead if your current rubber is getting a bit worn.

My old RWD Volvos were brilliant in the snow, though with RWD you always had the option of chucking weight in the back to help out, that is one down side to FWD, you can’t do much to increase the weight on the engine end, but in fairness those old volvo were shod on 195/65 x 15 tyres, not exactly the elastic bands of today.

Trust me i am short of a bob or two the car came about through circumstances… I live in a dip so i have to go uphill either way from my house.I dont work too far from home but not withlin walking distance and i think im in the early stage of arthrietous (cant spell it) .The tyres that are on are getting low but will last a couple of thousand at least so i was going to get 2 decent snow tyres for the front and keep my old ones for when it gets warmer

Never fit only 2 Winter tyres.It’s false economy,and gives a false sense of security.Fit 4 or stay at home.
Every Winter there are posts on here about Winter tyres.What is your Life Worth and your family,plus the repair costs nowadays.

I Think the best advert for buying proper Winter tyres can be seen by watching North America and Russia on utube in ‘Winter driving’.

hutpik:
I Think the best advert for buying proper Winter tyres can be seen by watching North America and Russia on utube in ‘Winter driving’.

Agreed. If I lived in either, I would fit them.

Wifes old merc we used to run winters on that all year round, made a huge difference even in the damp there was much more grip, when the mercs detect wheel spin they take the throttle away, just what you dont need when squirting out into a busy lane of traffic.

RWD in the snow is just pants.

Ref the honda 4x4 dont assume a lifetsyle 4x4 lookalike is actually a 4x4.

Trickydick:
Wifes old merc we used to run winters on that all year round, made a huge difference even in the damp there was much more grip, when the mercs detect wheel spin they take the throttle away, just what you dont need when squirting out into a busy lane of traffic.

RWD in the snow is just pants.

Ref the honda 4x4 dont assume a lifetsyle 4x4 lookalike is actually a 4x4.

A 4x4 is a 4x4.
But, a 4x4 on summer tyres is useless.
This video tells you everything you need to know:

youtube.com/watch?v=atayHQYqA3g

Trickydick:
RWD in the snow is just pants.
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I agree with that statement with one proviso; if you want to actually go somewhere then yes RWD + snow= pants. If however like me you fully embrace your inner chimp and giggle like a schoolgirl until even the voices stop, then RWD is the only way to go. :wink:

IMO …
As I already replied Michelin CrossClimate+ are the best bet for what we are likely to see weather wise (bye & large)
Bought the last set from RAC tyre deals (ractyres.co.uk/) 205 / 55 / 16 for £72 each fitted locally (you pick where)
These tyres have a lot of good reviews right across the EU.

Dedicated Winter Tyres
Really need spare set of steel rims & tyre fitting at around £40 all in.
Storage can then be an issue.

Here’s another example - also filmed at the Snowdome in Tamworth. All four cars are FWD Skoda Octavias. The one on the left is on Michelin Summer tyres, the others are on Michelin Crossclimates, Goodyear Vector All-Seasons and Conti Winter tyres.

youtu.be/2cgtmmtsqFA

Summer tyres should be banned in the UK as too many drivers use them in wintery conditions causing not only danger to themselves but others as well.

Everyone should use M+S rated tyres all year round. I have been using Vredestein Quatrac all-season tyres for the past 6 years. Much, much more grip than summer tyres in wintery conditions.

Proof that summer tyres are dangerous in wintery conditions.

youtube.com/watch?v=atayHQYqA3g

If it’s consistently below 7c then you will benefit from winter tyres, that’s the temperature they become more effective than all season tyres.

I put a set on my F150, it was a revelation. Pulling away was ok on all seasons, cornering was ok if you are childish and like to get the arse end out (I am) but stopping was difficult and that’s what prompted me to splash out on winter tyres. I went sideways into a thankfully empty car park avoiding a line of stopped cars, I had loads of room to slow to a stop, but braking had little effect, I chose the path of least resistance and ended up in the car park.

With winter tyres it drives on sheet ice almost like it isn’t there at all, in 4wd it will accelerate from a standing start, foot to the floor with no wheelspin at all and stopping distances are not much worse than on a dry road. Definitely worth the money for me, but I live in Canada, in the UK, I wouldn’t bother.

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carlston49:
Summer tyres should be banned in the UK as too many drivers use them in wintery conditions causing not only danger to themselves but others as well.

Everyone should use M&S rated tyres all year round. I have been using Vredestein Quatrac all-season tyres for the past 6 years. Much, much more grip than summer tyres in wintery conditions.

Proof that summer tyres are dangerous in wintery conditions.

youtube.com/watch?v=atayHQYqA3g

Tony? Is that you?

Come back to Millbank, Jeremy needs you.

the maoster:

Trickydick:
RWD in the snow is just pants.
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I agree with that statement with one proviso; if you want to actually go somewhere then yes RWD + snow= pants. If however like me you fully embrace your inner chimp and giggle like a schoolgirl until even the voices stop, then RWD is the only way to go. :wink:

1 The weight difference on the driven wheels of a fwd car still isn’t enough to guarantee traction regardless and when it’s inevitably lost at some point you can’t steer a fwd car unlike a rwd car.The result often then being catastrophic under steer straight to the scene of the accident.At which point you ain’t ‘going’ anywhere. :wink:

2 In many cases the rear suspension/transmission assembly of a rwd car weighs as much if not more than the small engine/transmission assembly of a fwd car.

3 Given equivalent tyres rwd wins easily as generations of old school Volvo drivers know.Or old school Ford/Vauxhall/Rover/Triumph/Jag drivers here during the proper winters of the 60’s-80’s.

youtube.com/watch?v=tuxXO3xCIik

youtube.com/watch?v=oAxbOtQg2nQ

carlston49:
Everyone should use M&S rated tyres all year round. I have been using Vredestein Quatrac all-season tyres for the past 6 years. Much, much more grip than summer tyres in wintery conditions.

But then there is M&S and M+S, two different tyres M+S ones I had were Pirrelli’s And they were dire in the wet let alone winter

I’m a winter tyre convert too, but as it’s a company car, cost is not an issue.

If swapping tyres/rims or storage is a problem, Michy CrossClimate are the next best thing.

If you really want a debate, start a topic about motorbike tyres :laughing:

GCR2ERF:
Michy CrossClimate are the next best thing.

Looking to get a couple of those fitted and price is around £153 each fitted, is that about right ■■ 245/45w17 ■■?

my van is better in the snow with two winter tyres on the front than the wifes 4x4 yeti with summer tyres on (notable difference too)

This thread has also made me realise that I forgot to take them off at the end of last winter, may as well leave them on now. :open_mouth: presumably it must not of mattered for mot as it passed in Aug.