scotstrucker:
Fatboy slimslow:
limeyphil:
UKIP.BNP
Monster raving looney party
Aint that what we got now 
Even if an outsider party got elected, the current government would just declare the result āillegalā and carry on regardless. At least that would make the Tories āThe Officialā dictatorship, rather than just a backdoor one.
You get a squarer deal at the bookies, since if you back an āunexpectedā winner like a 50-1 shot there, youāll get paid off full of smiles because of all the other mugs that got it wrong, and lost a lot more into said bookieās pockets than was ever paid out to one or two odd bods that happened to āget it rightā.
I donāt know anyone personally whoās actually āgot themselves a jobā in the past year. Plenty that have gone onto short hours, zero hours, or buy-down contracts, but no "Youāll be a uniform wearing full timer on 40 hours per week, sick pay, a paid hour off for lunch, and shifts that donāt go silly every other week. A 9-5 job if you will.
The best hope we can have for next yearās election after this ābribe the chattering classes budgetā is that Ukip manage to actually win a few seats, without the government voiding the result on āirregularitiesā (made up by them) at the polling stations.
Ukip with 50 seats will have pushed LibDems down to 4th place, and push them out of any coalition deal altogether. Labour & Tories might well refuse to deal with Farage, because heāll insist upon a 2015 referendum rather than a 2017 one. Whoever the party āwith the most seatsā is, will then try to āgo it aloneā, and get vetoed on everything and anything they try to put through parliament. Bad for the public, 'cos nowt gets done, but a cushy number for the MPs, because theyāll have bugger all to turn up and vote on for the 5 years. Arrrrghhh!
If Farage compromises, and accepts a 2017 referendum just to get his foot in the door, heāll lose so much credibility that no one will pay any attention to him anymore, and the 2017 vote will go the way the Tories want - A ābetter the devil you knowā vote from the public at that time. Cleggy compromised after all, by not insisting on a change to PR voting āby decreeā which was the only way it was ever going to get done. If you have to ask anything, the answer will always be ānoā, so donāt ask - and just get on with it - like Putin in Crimea. Jeezā¦ THAT action is moving so fast, it makes all our western politicians look like complete dicks!
Winseer:
Oddly enough, Iāve never voted labour, and must confess to once voting Tory and once voting Libdem. The rest of the time (during the thatcher era) this voice crying in the wilderness wasnāt going to make a difference by speaking or voting at all, so I didnāt.Some might get the impression that Iām some kind of socialist/uniony/leftie or whatever - but Iām not. Iām actually a champion of proper honest capitalism - that is, not the kind we have now that is basically communism in a blue suit.
Rot the ācompensation cultureā, the āneed to have a 4x4 when I live in townā, the āneed for tatoosā, the ālack of work ethic/ā ā ā ethic/responsible parent ethicā that leaves people who are already godless without anything to believe in at allā¦
On the ground, the falling unemployment is merely people moving off Job Seekerās allowance and onto other benefits. A better measure of āunemploymentā would be "the population of working age 16-67 available to work minus the number of people actually paying taxes". This means minimum wage part time jobs wonāt count as being employed at all. Self-employed DIY tax fiddles would end up being ādonāt count as employedā as well, but for many, thatās true already.
I also wonder what could be achieved by the rather interesting notion of scrapping income taxes outright, and putting all taxes on transportation! If you donāt want to pay any taxes, youād need to work across the road instead of commute. ā¦Ahh 1950s style empty roads! I can dream canāt I?
āGreat Britain - A confederation of independant towns and cities each ruled by its elected mayor, each population living off itās own economy.ā
Instead, we have places like London sucking the economic life out of the rest of the country - and I say this as someone brought up there!
It looks like UKIP for you this time then ?
fredthered:
NewLad:
Iām out most/all week, my wife stays at home and brings up our children, I/we will be voting conservative.Why? Are you a Turkey? Vote the same and the result is the same!
Maybe Iām happy with the the last few years.
I wouldnāt trust labour with a weekly shopping budget! Let alone a national budget running into Ā£100ās of billions. They nearly bankrupt this country and half of the people in it, with their money for nothing ideasā¦ One thing the ConDems are right on is that Labour created a society where it pays not to work and pump out kids like a baby machine.
Cant see pension companies taking this lying down after their values slumped yesterday . Here come the high admin fees.
NewLad:
fredthered:
NewLad:
One thing the ConDems are right on is that Labour created a society where it pays not to work and pump out kids like a baby machine.
Bit hypocritical when they have done FA to change it.
NewLad:
fredthered:
NewLad:
Iām out most/all week, my wife stays at home and brings up our children, I/we will be voting conservative.Why? Are you a Turkey? Vote the same and the result is the same!
Maybe Iām happy with the the last few years.
I wouldnāt trust labour with a weekly shopping budget! Let alone a national budget running into Ā£100ās of billions. They nearly bankrupt this country and half of the people in it, with their money for nothing ideasā¦ One thing the ConDems are right on is that Labour created a society where it pays not to work and pump out kids like a baby machine.
Why didnāt this incoming government reverse all of the things that āLabour got wrongā?
Last time I looked, the PSBR is still rising, just at a slower rate. If you hit the ground at 90mph from a 100ft building instead of 248mph from 6 miles up - youāll still die on impact.
Austerity should have included cuts to pay and conditions for those in the financial and legal professions as well. If courts ran for 15 hour shifts, we might get a bit more done during each session in court eh?
Court Usher: Zzzzzz
Judge: Next case please
Defendant: Jeez Guv - Iām knackered. Just send me to belmarsh, 'cos Iām not allergic to their bed stuffing there.
Judge: Zzzzzā¦ Hmph Wassat?
Clerk of Court: Heās pleading guilty for a softer sentence from you Mālord
Judge: Hmm. Ok. So sei es. erm. So be it. I sentence you to deaf, and may bod pour gravy on your soul.
Usher - Take him down, and play this clip very loudly in his ear!
Iām sorryā¦ Wasnāt it the ConDems who changed the way income support is paid? So those parents whose children are in secondary education, can no longer use the excuse that little Levi (who is now 14) needs someone to be home when he finishes school, so they can sit at home watching Jeremy Kyle all day, drinking premium larger every night and smoking shop brought ā ā ā ā , while buying goods stolen from the local department store because ātimes are ardā.
You might like your hard earned taxes going to pay for wasters who have little or no interest in working, but I most certainly donāt! Iām fed up in paying Ā£160 a week for those lazy ā ā ā ā ā !
NewLad:
Iām sorryā¦ Wasnāt it the ConDems who changed the way income support is paid? So those parents whose children are in secondary education, can no longer use the excuse that little Levi (who is now 14) needs someone to be home when he finishes school, so they can sit at home watching Jeremy Kyle all day, drinking premium larger every night and smoking shop brought ā ā ā ā , while buying goods stolen from the local department store because ātimes are ardā.You might like your hard earned taxes going to pay for wasters who have little or no interest in working, but I most certainly donāt! Iām fed up in paying Ā£160 a week for those lazy [zb]!
Like they say, āif you own slaves, the easiest way to control them is to divide them into two tribes and then encourage them to blame each other for their plightā. 
NewLad:
fredthered:
NewLad:
Iām out most/all week, my wife stays at home and brings up our children, I/we will be voting conservative.Why? Are you a Turkey? Vote the same and the result is the same!
Maybe Iām happy with the the last few years.
I wouldnāt trust labour with a weekly shopping budget! Let alone a national budget running into Ā£100ās of billions. They nearly bankrupt this country and half of the people in it, with their money for nothing ideasā¦ One thing the ConDems are right on is that Labour created a society where it pays not to work and pump out kids like a baby machine.
this.
NewLad:
Iām sorryā¦ Wasnāt it the ConDems who changed the way income support is paid? So those parents whose children are in secondary education, can no longer use the excuse that little Levi (who is now 14) needs someone to be home when he finishes school, so they can sit at home watching Jeremy Kyle all day, drinking premium larger every night and smoking shop brought ā ā ā ā , while buying goods stolen from the local department store because ātimes are ardā.You might like your hard earned taxes going to pay for wasters who have little or no interest in working, but I most certainly donāt! Iām fed up in paying Ā£160 a week for those lazy [zb]!
I think those who donāt work at all should not get anything at all other than a place in a workhouse somewhere.
Those who do work though, and end up donking a large percentage of their income on those compulsary things like food, bills, school expenses (you still have to fork out for uniforms, dinners, etc even in a state school!) and then find thereās nothing left for them at the end of the monthā¦ My misses gave up her job to do all the āchild mindingā herself if you like. She gets no help from this Ā£2000 thingy regarding hiring professional child minders. I donāt want our kid brought up by some third-party FFS! In my mind, I should at least be able to take on her personal tax allowance so that the first Ā£20k or so of my earnings now result in my taking home all of it. Nope, we donāt get that. But those whoāve never done a stroke of work in their lives get away with murder, just by lying every time they go and sign on.
āHave you looked for jobs every day since the last time you signed?ā
āYes.ā
ā¦and thatās why itās still too easy to get āmoney for nothingā in this country.
Harry Monk:
NewLad:
Iām sorryā¦ Wasnāt it the ConDems who changed the way income support is paid? So those parents whose children are in secondary education, can no longer use the excuse that little Levi (who is now 14) needs someone to be home when he finishes school, so they can sit at home watching Jeremy Kyle all day, drinking premium larger every night and smoking shop brought ā ā ā ā , while buying goods stolen from the local department store because ātimes are ardā.You might like your hard earned taxes going to pay for wasters who have little or no interest in working, but I most certainly donāt! Iām fed up in paying Ā£160 a week for those lazy [zb]!
Like they say, āif you own slaves, the easiest way to control them is to divide them into two tribes and then encourage them to blame each other for their plightā.
Nice quote, and so true. Itās behind immigrants vs. ānative Britsā (whatever they are), public sector vs. private sector, strivers vs. āskiversā and any number of other simplistic and manufactured divisions. The problem with this society is that a great number of its members are allowing wealthy people to tell them who their enemies are.
Winseer:
NewLad:
Iām sorryā¦ Wasnāt it the ConDems who changed the way income support is paid? So those parents whose children are in secondary education, can no longer use the excuse that little Levi (who is now 14) needs someone to be home when he finishes school, so they can sit at home watching Jeremy Kyle all day, drinking premium larger every night and smoking shop brought ā ā ā ā , while buying goods stolen from the local department store because ātimes are ardā.You might like your hard earned taxes going to pay for wasters who have little or no interest in working, but I most certainly donāt! Iām fed up in paying Ā£160 a week for those lazy [zb]!
I think those who donāt work at all should not get anything at all other than a place in a workhouse somewhere.
Those who do work though, and end up donking a large percentage of their income on those compulsary things like food, bills, school expenses (you still have to fork out for uniforms, dinners, etc even in a state school!) and then find thereās nothing left for them at the end of the monthā¦ My misses gave up her job to do all the āchild mindingā herself if you like. She gets no help from this Ā£2000 thingy regarding hiring professional child minders. I donāt want our kid brought up by some third-party FFS! In my mind, I should at least be able to take on her personal tax allowance so that the first Ā£20k or so of my earnings now result in my taking home all of it. Nope, we donāt get that. But those whoāve never done a stroke of work in their lives get away with murder, just by lying every time they go and sign on.āHave you looked for jobs every day since the last time you signed?ā
āYes.āā¦and thatās why itās still too easy to get āmoney for nothingā in this country.
Iāll agree with you on that, Iām the only worker in my household, my wife looks after our 2 children, we donāt want them to go to a child minder/nursery. Why can I not use her tax free allowance while she brings up our children?
Chas:
Winseer:
Where did they go?Surely, they didnāt walk quietly into the night, never to draw benefits again, but not working either?
You cannot possibly engage a conversation on your level on TNUK mate !
These people (used loosely) are still asleep.
Correct. Itās about time the āSheepleā woke up and educated themselves about the āMoneyā confidence trickā¦
NewLad:
Maybe Iām happy with the the last few years.
I sincerely hope youāll be happy with the next few years but I have serious misgivings about that. Baaa!
DrivingMissDaisy:
NewLad:
Maybe Iām happy with the the last few years.I sincerely hope youāll be happy with the next few years but I have serious misgivings about that. Baaa!
Ha ha you Labour lot make me laugh (Iād like to point out I voted labour once, when it wasy my very first vote), you ā ā ā ā ā and moan about all the cuts that the conservatives make but what do you want them to doā ā ? Keep dishing out borrowed money from China to keep all the lazy ā ā ā ā ā with 4/5/6/7/8/9/16 kids on the dole nice and warm?
Waynetta, āIām a Celebrity as finished 4 dis yr, wot we gonna do now?ā
Wayne, ādunno shall we just av a shag?ā
Waynetta, ābut av not tuk me pill!ā
Wayne, āsāok Steve a number 12, as just got a new job he can pay for Wayne Jrā
Iād rather be a sheep than a mug!
NewLad:
DrivingMissDaisy:
NewLad:
Maybe Iām happy with the the last few years.I sincerely hope youāll be happy with the next few years but I have serious misgivings about that. Baaa!
Ha ha you Labour lot make me laugh (Iād like to point out I voted labour once, when it wasy my very first vote), you ā ā ā ā ā and moan about all the cuts that the conservatives make but what do you want them to doā ā ? Keep dishing out borrowed money from China to keep all the lazy [zb] with 4/5/6/7/8/9/16 kids on the dole nice and warm?
Waynetta, āIām a Celebrity as finished 4 dis yr, wot we gonna do now?ā
Wayne, ādunno shall we just av a shag?ā
Waynetta, ābut av not tuk me pill!ā
Wayne, āsāok Steve a number 12, as just got a new job he can pay for Wayne Jrā
Iād rather be a sheep than a mug!
Where dāya get the idea Iām one of the Labour lot from?
Like I have said before, itās a bit odd that someone like me āsounds like a labouriteā at times, but in fact Iāve not ever voted labour. Perhaps I represent what labour should be, rather than want them back in power, which I donāt particularily. I canāt say right now I fancy libdem or tory either, so Ukip may be the best of what remains - but what chance do they really have of winning even a single seat?
Osbourneās budget changes to pensions will blow up in his face, as another industry is brought down with nothing to replace it. Enough of āhow much labour got us into debtā when Osbourneās spent more in the past 3 years of new borrowings than Labour did in 13 years of ā ā ā ā ā ā ā aboutā¦ 
strange how we as a society can go on about how the skivers and scroungers of this world are getting there 50 or 60 quid a week for nothing but say nothing about our elected politicians screwing us stupid through expenses( oh yes dont think that stopped just because they got there fingers caught in the till, they,ve just made sure you will never find out again about it !!!) and the ājob for the boysā policy that every government past and present has operated. i cannot complain about my taxes going to the unemployed when i,m happy to take up the backside from the politicians.
where does this leave us ? i think that the present government will continue there divide and conquer campaign and the general feeling of apathy in politics with joe public will carry on until nobody will vote and we can let whoever the last party who is in charge just stay in power forever( after all they all have then same u-turn policies now anyway !!)
just as an afterthought, when we say ālabour left the country in ruinā please do not be so naive, they never had the united states or frances, greeces, irelands or numerous other countries central accounts but the bankers there done exactly the same as our own and do not have to beheld to account for the mess !
GBD:
just as an afterthought, when we say ālabour left the country in ruinā please do not be so naive, they never had the united states or frances, greeces, irelands or numerous other countries central accounts but the bankers there done exactly the same as our own and do not have to beheld to account for the mess !
Well all those nice new hospitals that were commissioned and opened under labour are now being closed by the current lot, its all a vicious circle with you and me paying the price, this lot think that they are clever by picking on the disabled and other unemployed people because they have no real voice but they will come election time, things like this are not forgotten, the tories lost everything after thatchers swingeing cuts, we had had enough of constant cuts while she dismantled the working world of Britain.
I hate all politicians, not one of them have any scruples anymore and its all for what they can get, the next budget just before the election will appear to give a lot back to the normal person in the street but on closer inspection it will all just be another con to get back in - for gods sake no, we need something fresh, maybe a truckers union should be in power, between us we would do so much better.