An other one which to sell in Alsace, completely renewed.
In the post-WW2-era both Willème and Chausson were represented by the company
of Ets. J. Guerret, 416 Chaussée d’Alsemberg in Uccle-Bruxelles. Now a bodywork-firm
is located at that location. Quite some Willème’s found their way to breweries.
See annexe for the old building
Later (begin 1960s) they also imported/represented the nice Italian cars of ISO and Opel.
Hey Michel and Macadam Women for the early answere. 
It’s a 6x4 dubble drive, so it can be bought new in Belgium, self never known.
Was Bernard sold ■■?
In the heavy class I only know in Belgium Berliet, Saviem, Latil and UNIC.
Renault and some other maybe before WW II ■■?
Eric,
Macadam-woman:
In the post-WW2-era both Willème and Chausson were represented by the company
of Ets. J. Guerret, 416 Chaussée d’Alsemberg in Uccle-Bruxelles. Now a bodywork-firm
is located at that location. Quite some Willème’s found their way to breweries.See annexe for the old building
Later (begin 1960s) they also imported/represented the nice Italian cars of ISO and Opel.
That’s good info there…and a nice photo…are you in Belgium ?
Tiptop:
- Bernard was represented by Ets. Remy Mannes in Bruxelles-Midi. They
had also a surplus-stock (after WW2) with extensive parts-stock on the
many brands of drivelines. Later they were famous for Maserati-cars.
Fergie:
- Yes, I am in and from Belgium, Antwerp-region
Mannes were also later importer for Unic lorries.
Here a Liberty-Willeme that a friend of mine, Philippe, sent especially for British people.
That’s correct Michel and Mannes also represented Delahaye and Laffly for lorries.
Macadam-woman:
Tiptop:
- Bernard was represented by Ets. Remy Mannes in Bruxelles-Midi. They
had also a surplus-stock (after WW2) with extensive parts-stock on the
many brands of drivelines. Later they were famous for Maserati-cars.Fergie:
- Yes, I am in and from Belgium, Antwerp-region
Hey thanks,
Never seen a Bernard too here.
Eric,
Sorry, wrong topic
DISPATCHER:
Fergie47
hi Dave I got there in the end sorry for delayChris
Hidden talent I didn’t know you had Chris, pretty good, and well balanced. DId you do that from a photo or from memory ? and the Mercedes badge, was that poetic licence or for real ?..
I’m sure over the years that many of those wagons would have been fitted with various powerplants to suit the haulier and the work it had to do, apart from D.D’s and ■■■■■■■■ 
Hi dave
Mostly from memory but usually consult photos for detail which had merc emblem on it
DISPATCHER:
Fergie47
hi Dave I got there in the end sorry for delayChris
Evening all,
Dispatcher, that is a lovely drawing of a rather unique Willeme TG 200 tonner, perhaps I could be permitted to fill in a few details of this older lady?
She was fitted with a Mercedes V12 OM 404 engine, 430 hp @2500 rpm, coupled to a manual ZF transmission, driving down to Willeme manufactured CAB reduction axles. Perez et Raimond , her builders, had specified the tilt version of the Pelpel , crew/sleeper cab, and she rode on 1400x20 tyre equipment on the front steering axles, and 1400 x 24 on the driven bogie.
Her first owners had been the engineering giant Fives Lilles Cail, where she had run in combination with one of the first generation Nicolas modules, a 12 line version,. Behind the cab was a short platform,and a 60000 kg pull winch. Her gross weight was 45 tonnes, gross train 200 tonnes. The imposed load on her 5th wheel being 32.5 tonnes.
I first saw this TG when she was delivered to her second owner Transports Mayer of Nancy, back in late 1979. Personally I found her a trifle unimpressive compared with Mayers existing TGs, the Detroit powered 6x4 150 tonners, and the 200 tonne 8x4s . In both cases transmission was via 13 speed Fuller gears, (originally they had been automatics), but the Willeme rear ends had been swopped for Clark Triple reduction units. In both cases the work was not carried out in Mayers extensive workshops under the direct control of Fleet Chief Mechanic Robert Marchal, but on the direction of Jacques Mayers fellow Director Charles Dhur, in the works of dAuto Industrie de l`est, in Eillecourt. The same company was to swop the Willeme axles of your Mercedes powered subject for Clark triple reduction units later in its life.
Oddly, the gvw of the Detroit 71 Serie 390 hp units was 55 tonnes, 10 tonnes greater than the, Mercedes powered one with 430 hp, both having a gtw of 200 tonnes! As Michel has kindly posted the photographs of the 200 tonner, and her "big " sister 250 tonne 8x8 , now for sale, both having had their Detroit`s swopped for a 335 ■■■■■■■ when M Keppi acquired Transports Mayer in late 1991, and formed MKTS-Stockalliance…(but that blue/grey livery could never look as imposing as Mayers bottle green…nor could the bark of a ■■■■■■■ equal the banshee scream of a Detroit)!!!
That Mercedes powered unit gave good service to Transports Mayer, quite often running with Mayers 6 line Nicolas, coupled to their 60 tonne swan neck, and often in combination with a two line Nicolas jeep dolly. If I remember correctly this lorry had the distinction of carrying some of the steelwork that was to form the spectacular Pyramid, at the Louvre in Paris, used as ballast drawbar tractor.
Mayer sold her in the late 1980s, to, (I think), Sitca-Cochez from Valenciennes, and that picture from DEANB of the aged Europ Trans Manut 8x4 could well be the same lorry, because of all the varients of TGs, that Perez et Raimond built, I thought the Fives-Lilles-Cail/ Transports Mayer one was the only V12 Mercedes powered one.
Incedentally that well worn Creusot-Loire one was a prototype "lift on/lift off bodied Tank Transporter, to carry an AMX30 Tank! Like the 8x8 Berliet T2 with its 29 litre engine…the French Military said …no thanks!
But DISPATCHER, your Mercedes powered subject was often, if not always “assisted” by one of “our” TBO Berliets , (335 ■■■■■■■ powered), when working on, or often well above, her 200 tonne design weight.
Beautiful drawing, …thank you.
Cheerio for now.
Saviem
hi thanks for the details never ceases to amase me of your knowledge, and make this a more than interesting site
do’nt stop always read them and learn
thanks Chris
Hi Chris
Hope you are well, I like you do follow this thread which I find most interesting and informative.
My brother-in-law (many of our family are affected by the forum-virus) shared
this data-sheet out of his Sarens-files.
Marianne
Kerbut
Hi Nigel,
alls ok thanks, usual old age things, notice your active on a few site on trucknet,
hope your keeping well too
Yes, fine thanks Chris , just remember we are the same age , we went to school together !!
For more info on MOL (history, special vehicles etc) www.molcy.com
Macadam-woman:
For more info on MOL (history, special vehicles etc) molcy.com
Have a look here:
molcy.com/producten/specials/special-trucks/
The cabs on the forward control trucks look familiar:
