Mick Bracewell:
Ref the UN number, 1972 is liquid form I think, with 1971 being compressed. I don’t know enough about either of them as our tank work is non-ADR,
Constructive post. In this spirit my advice is EVERYONE RUN! ITS GONNA BLOW!
Well at least there’s no danger of anything blowing up in your house, seeing as you’re unable to figure out how to turn the gas on to make your tea.
Awwwww now Mike, you’ve stopped following me? How will I ever recover from this heartbreak. Godspeed sir and continue with these remarkably constructive posts ■■■
Franglais:
Would nitrogen have the 2YE code ?
How would pressure increase in a tank requiring venting? Increase in temp?
I`m strictly an amateur in this of course.
Nitrogen would certainly have the E part (evacuation) because you simply can’t breathe in nitrogen rich environment. The Y denotes flammable so nitrogen doesn’t fall into that category being an inert gas. Most gases(bearing in mind I only have slight experience) is loaded cold, varying from -1 to around-200 (-249 being absolute zero) so any temperature increase is going to cause expansion and therefore the need for pressure relief. However, in my experience the only time this has been an issue is in temperatures in excess of 25 degrees C, obviously not applicable in this case
Regarding liquid nitrogen we now run under 2T 1977 so am guessing its not this if the op correctly says it was running under 2YE .
Most gases are transported in liquid form and cryogenic gases are in vacuum insulated tanks due to the temperature of the liquid gas and hence are fitted with relief valves mainly set at 3 bar. They mainly lift when the tank is empty especially if the vacuum is poor. The tanks are designed to do this and in most circumstances perfectly safe .
This is Indeed an LNG tanker that is venting off flammable Methane gas, this would only need a spark or a hot exhaust or even static electricity to ignite it.
The Company in question is ** ***** based out of Worthing and they have had a Tanker banned for being defective from National Grid LNG terminal in the Isle of Grain Kent, so what they do is load another tanker and then transfer it onto the banned tanker so it can go off and do its delivery’s, they then go back and reload the empty tanker its venting flammable gas out of it to drop the pressure.
All of this is highly dangerous and illegal, tank to tank transfers have to be done in specific areas under controlled conditions.
Anyway they have been reported to HSE so no doubt they will get there just punishment.
LNG work in the UK is a small world with most people knowing each other
** ***** are regarded as a cowboy outfit and not to be touched by anyone in the know.
LisasGuy:
This is Indeed an LNG tanker that is venting off flammable Methane gas, this would only need a spark or a hot exhaust or even static electricity to ignite it.
The Company in question is ** ***** based out of Worthing and they have had a Tanker banned for being defective from National Grid LNG terminal in the Isle of Grain Kent, so what they do is load another tanker and then transfer it onto the banned tanker so it can go off and do its delivery’s, they then go back and reload the empty tanker its venting flammable gas out of it to drop the pressure.
All of this is highly dangerous and illegal, tank to tank transfers have to be done in specific areas under controlled conditions.
Anyway they have been reported to HSE so no doubt they will get there just punishment.
LNG work in the UK is a small world with most people knowing each other
** ***** are regarded as a cowboy outfit and not to be touched by anyone in the know.
Here is the company safety rules!
The aim of this policy is to ensure that all who work at the A* ***** site understand the processes and procedures introduced and operated to remove or minimise the risk of injury or death.
The operational procedures will be continually monitored, recorded and improved wherever possible to further reduce the risk of harm to individuals as required by the conditions set out by the Standard of BSI OHSAS 18001.
We take this responsibility very seriously, and as such, we will:
Hold monthly Health & Safety meetings
Inspect the site weekly for defects which may cause harm
Review and amend any Standard Operational Procedure (SOP) that has failed to deliver safe operational performance
Review all Standard Operational Procedures (SOPs) from time-to-time to see if the safety aspect of the procedure can be improved
Ensure all personnel clearly understand processes and the inherent dangers associated with those processes where applicable
Ensure the correct Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) Safety Equipment is available and worn at all times
Ensure that at least two members of the senior management team hold a recognised Health & Safety certificate at all times
Ensure that all employees receive adequate training on how to operate equipment and plant
Ensure that all visitors to the site receive induction training
Encourage all employees and contractors to report fault equipment of dangerous activity
Record ‘Near Miss’ situations
Review all incident, accidents and ‘Near Miss’ situations and seek to implement change as required.
robroy:
I have a mate who regularly blows off methane, has done for years…he doesn’t drive a tanker either btw.
That’s forbidden, unless the safety valve comes into operation.
There comes a point when it’s pretty much out of your control to be fair.
Am I the only one picking up on the fact methane comes out of your arse, so therefore his mate blows off methane from his tail pipe where unfortunately there is no safety valve fitted
LisasGuy:
This is Indeed an LNG tanker that is venting off flammable Methane gas, this would only need a spark or a hot exhaust or even static electricity to ignite it.
The Company in question is ** ***** based out of Worthing and they have had a Tanker banned for being defective from National Grid LNG terminal in the Isle of Grain Kent, so what they do is load another tanker and then transfer it onto the banned tanker so it can go off and do its delivery’s, they then go back and reload the empty tanker its venting flammable gas out of it to drop the pressure.
All of this is highly dangerous and illegal, tank to tank transfers have to be done in specific areas under controlled conditions.
Anyway they have been reported to HSE so no doubt they will get there just punishment.
LNG work in the UK is a small world with most people knowing each other
** ***** are regarded as a cowboy outfit and not to be touched by anyone in the know.
Here is the company safety rules!
The aim of this policy is to ensure that all who work at the A* ***** site understand the processes and procedures introduced and operated to remove or minimise the risk of injury or death.
The operational procedures will be continually monitored, recorded and improved wherever possible to further reduce the risk of harm to individuals as required by the conditions set out by the Standard of BSI OHSAS 18001.
We take this responsibility very seriously, and as such, we will:
Hold monthly Health & Safety meetings
Inspect the site weekly for defects which may cause harm
Review and amend any Standard Operational Procedure (SOP) that has failed to deliver safe operational performance
Review all Standard Operational Procedures (SOPs) from time-to-time to see if the safety aspect of the procedure can be improved
Ensure all personnel clearly understand processes and the inherent dangers associated with those processes where applicable
Ensure the correct Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) Safety Equipment is available and worn at all times
Ensure that at least two members of the senior management team hold a recognised Health & Safety certificate at all times
Ensure that all employees receive adequate training on how to operate equipment and plant
Ensure that all visitors to the site receive induction training
Encourage all employees and contractors to report fault equipment of dangerous activity
Record ‘Near Miss’ situations
Review all incident, accidents and ‘Near Miss’ situations and seek to implement change as required.
The service area is maybe missing a deluge system
If that Tanker had ignited it’s highly likely it would of taken the petrol forecourt with it.
The fines from HSE are potentially fatal for a small company.
Like I said the company concerned is a cowboy operation and really shouldn’t be involved in hauling LNG around.
I’d be very careful about naming and shaming.
I know enough about gases to know that it is very hard to tell a gas just be looking at it.
If you accuse a company or even a person of doing something that is illegal or brings their reputation into disrepute without proof you could well get a letter through the door for libel.
I believe DieselDave or Rikku has posted a topic somewhere mentioning this. So be careful about naming names.
adam277:
As someone who knows nothing about tankers.
I’d be very careful about naming and shaming.
I know enough about gases to know that it is very hard to tell a gas just be looking at it.
If you accuse a company or even a person of doing something that is illegal or brings their reputation into disrepute without proof you could well get a letter through the door for libel.
I believe DieselDave or Rikku has posted a topic somewhere mentioning this. So be careful about naming names.
The original poster and the lady from Clackett Lane both verified the UN number. That confirms it was methane gas. This was a tanker driver venting flammable methane into a ‘risky’ area as described by ‘Lisasguy’ above. I see he has used stars but in a small world we know who this company is and what the employee was doing was/ is highly dangerous.
I know that i said to name and shame so thank you for reminding me about libel law.
adam277:
As someone who knows nothing about tankers.
I’d be very careful about naming and shaming.
I know enough about gases to know that it is very hard to tell a gas just be looking at it.
If you accuse a company or even a person of doing something that is illegal or brings their reputation into disrepute without proof you could well get a letter through the door for libel.
I believe DieselDave or Rikku has posted a topic somewhere mentioning this. So be careful about naming names.
There’s more to this than whats on this post
numerous drivers took pictures of this and circulated it on social media including one current LNG driver that filmed it and he knew exactly who the driver was and what gas was on the Tanker.
I would of thought that the company suing people for liable would be the least of their worries as what they did was so dangerous it would of caused deaths and millions of pounds worth of damage.
I would of thought they would want to batten down the hatches and hope it all goes away.
If this was a petrol tanker tipping hundreds of litres of fuel on the forecourt with vehicles driving through it you might understand the severity of what happened.
Google LNG explosions and you will get the picture
adam277:
As someone who knows nothing about tankers.
I’d be very careful about naming and shaming.
I know enough about gases to know that it is very hard to tell a gas just be looking at it.
If you accuse a company or even a person of doing something that is illegal or brings their reputation into disrepute without proof you could well get a letter through the door for libel.
I believe DieselDave or Rikku has posted a topic somewhere mentioning this. So be careful about naming names.
There’s more to this than whats on this post
numerous drivers took pictures of this and circulated it on social media including one current LNG driver that filmed it and he knew exactly who the driver was and what gas was on the Tanker.
I would of thought that the company suing people for liable would be the least of their worries as what they did was so dangerous it would of caused deaths and millions of pounds worth of damage.
I would of thought they would want to batten down the hatches and hope it all goes away.
If this was a petrol tanker tipping hundreds of litres of fuel on the forecourt with vehicles driving through it you might understand the severity of what happened.
Google LNG explosions and you will get the picture
youtu.be/vT4nG-Z3zdE
This guy seems to be venting and the smoke looks very similar. Albeit with a smaller tank.
I don’t know what is actually in the tank so can’t comment on how dangerous it is
Regardless my point was just a general warning. If people want to report it to the authorities go for it. Just be careful of what you say about what you say online unless you can back it up in court. I imagine with something like this it might be difficult. Even if you could it’s still alot of hassle to go through.
adam277:
As someone who knows nothing about tankers.
I’d be very careful about naming and shaming.
I know enough about gases to know that it is very hard to tell a gas just be looking at it.
If you accuse a company or even a person of doing something that is illegal or brings their reputation into disrepute without proof you could well get a letter through the door for libel.
I believe DieselDave or Rikku has posted a topic somewhere mentioning this. So be careful about naming names.
There’s more to this than whats on this post
numerous drivers took pictures of this and circulated it on social media including one current LNG driver that filmed it and he knew exactly who the driver was and what gas was on the Tanker.
I would of thought that the company suing people for liable would be the least of their worries as what they did was so dangerous it would of caused deaths and millions of pounds worth of damage.
I would of thought they would want to batten down the hatches and hope it all goes away.
If this was a petrol tanker tipping hundreds of litres of fuel on the forecourt with vehicles driving through it you might understand the severity of what happened.
Google LNG explosions and you will get the picture
youtu.be/vT4nG-Z3zdE
This guy seems to be venting and the smoke looks very similar. Albeit with a smaller tank.
I don’t know what is actually in the tank so can’t comment on how dangerous it is
Regardless my point was just a general warning. If people want to report it to the authorities go for it. Just be careful of what you say about what you say online unless you can back it up in court. I imagine with something like this it might be difficult. Even if you could it’s still alot of hassle to go through.
The tanker, the company, the driver and what type of gas was on it isn’t in question as there is evidence from a 3rd party that prove beyond doubt all this, I have seen a video which includes a very clear close up of all the mentioned above.
Another different 3rd party (not an HGV driver) has to the best of my knowledge (he told me to my face) passed the video on to HSE and the same 3rd party was debating on passing it on to the said companies customers.
The company in question don’t have their own LNG stations they just provide traction haulage to companies that have their own LNG sites, they use other companies trailers to do this.
I haven’t posted on here anything I can’t prove.
Anyway I get your point and thanks for the heads up.
adam277:
As someone who knows nothing about tankers.
I’d be very careful about naming and shaming.
I know enough about gases to know that it is very hard to tell a gas just be looking at it.
If you accuse a company or even a person of doing something that is illegal or brings their reputation into disrepute without proof you could well get a letter through the door for libel.
I believe DieselDave or Rikku has posted a topic somewhere mentioning this. So be careful about naming names.
There’s more to this than whats on this post
numerous drivers took pictures of this and circulated it on social media including one current LNG driver that filmed it and he knew exactly who the driver was and what gas was on the Tanker.
I would of thought that the company suing people for liable would be the least of their worries as what they did was so dangerous it would of caused deaths and millions of pounds worth of damage.
I would of thought they would want to batten down the hatches and hope it all goes away.
If this was a petrol tanker tipping hundreds of litres of fuel on the forecourt with vehicles driving through it you might understand the severity of what happened.
Google LNG explosions and you will get the picture
Methane is lighter than air, this means that it could be trapped under the canopy, in shops, offices, many other gases are heavier than air so they sink into drains along the floor and under vehicles, so a stray spark or static charge would remove Clackett Lane from the face of the earth.
adam277:
As someone who knows nothing about tankers.
I’d be very careful about naming and shaming.
I know enough about gases to know that it is very hard to tell a gas just be looking at it.
If you accuse a company or even a person of doing something that is illegal or brings their reputation into disrepute without proof you could well get a letter through the door for libel.
I believe DieselDave or Rikku has posted a topic somewhere mentioning this. So be careful about naming names.
There’s more to this than whats on this post
numerous drivers took pictures of this and circulated it on social media including one current LNG driver that filmed it and he knew exactly who the driver was and what gas was on the Tanker.
I would of thought that the company suing people for liable would be the least of their worries as what they did was so dangerous it would of caused deaths and millions of pounds worth of damage.
I would of thought they would want to batten down the hatches and hope it all goes away.
If this was a petrol tanker tipping hundreds of litres of fuel on the forecourt with vehicles driving through it you might understand the severity of what happened.
Google LNG explosions and you will get the picture
youtu.be/vT4nG-Z3zdE
This guy seems to be venting and the smoke looks very similar. Albeit with a smaller tank.
I don’t know what is actually in the tank so can’t comment on how dangerous it is
Regardless my point was just a general warning. If people want to report it to the authorities go for it. Just be careful of what you say about what you say online unless you can back it up in court. I imagine with something like this it might be difficult. Even if you could it’s still alot of hassle to go through.
The tanker, the company, the driver and what type of gas was on it isn’t in question as there is evidence from a 3rd party that prove beyond doubt all this, I have seen a video which includes a very clear close up of all the mentioned above.
Another different 3rd party (not an HGV driver) has to the best of my knowledge (he told me to my face) passed the video on to HSE and the same 3rd party was debating on passing it on to the said companies customers.
The company in question don’t have their own LNG stations they just provide traction haulage to companies that have their own LNG sites, they use other companies trailers to do this.
I haven’t posted on here anything I can’t prove.
Anyway I get your point and thanks for the heads up.
Is this company still pulling LNG trailers,from your comments they seem to be an accident waiting to happen.
Let’s hope if they are still pulling gas trailers the HSE would have had a strong word or at least a formal warning or even prosecuted,as it sounds as if the are were breaching many safety rules!
To be fair about this, harmless or not. You wouldnt really pull up next to the pumps like this and simply vent off this amount without it causing alarm to those watching it and anyone filling up. I would certainly be alarmed at the sight of it as you wouldn’t know whether those fumes were harmless or not. At the very least the driver should have warned people he was about to do this and I am certain that this cannot be legal. I have seen Nitrogen from BOC tankers venting naturaly from unloading but this isn’t as extreme as this, it looks from the pictures more like an uncontroled escape.
I don’t use Tanks, but carry pallets & IBC’s of haz, I can have anything from toxic to corrosive on the same load.
We’ve just had a forky leave because he had been told off for lighting a ■■■ near a pallet of haz when the boss was stood near him, his reply to the boss was everyone else does it, to which he replied “not when I’m here”!!!
There are so many individuals out there that are either stupid or just don’t care.
And I’m affraid most bosses are not even adr aware.
