And here’s me thinking the inventor of AdBlue was only thinking of the kids.
Ken.
Quinny:
And here’s me thinking the inventor of AdBlue was only thinking of the kids.Ken.
This is always something I want to know.
Who decide that Adblue was going to be new system for reduce emissions? Because when they make this decision some person bacame billionaire in one night. There must of been alternative option which they did not choose, so what were reasons?
Who is still getting rich when we are buying Adblue in shop?
Someones making a lot of money from it
Bloke in the Ford service dept tried to sell me a top up bottle for my pickup last week, £ 15 for 2 litres 
apparently its special stuff and you have to make sure you buy the right type for your vehicle 
The first emulator case before a TC has just been published.
DVSA marked it as an S-rated prohibition (systemic maintenance failure). The TC accepted the company director’s submission that he didn’t know anything about AdBlue and the device must have been installed on the truck before he purchased it used from a large dealer.
There were other issues with the company too, and it has had its licence revoked and the TM has been banned until he takes his CPC again.
This is the relevant part of the TC’s written decision: “AdBlue is a chemical which reduces NOx emissions from diesel engines. Its use is essential for many vehicles to meet Euro 4 or better emissions standards. The device found had the effect of turning off the use of AdBlue and disabling the warning light on the dashboard which would have warned the driver that the AdBlue system was not functioning. The stated maximum emission levels of the vehicle were thus being exceeded. The operator was thus gaining a competitive advantage over its rivals in that it was avoiding the cost of both the AdBlue and of maintaining the AdBlue delivery system in the vehicle. The DVSA issued an S-marked prohibition, denoting a serious failure in the operator’s maintenance systems.”
Interesting that the TC office did not make any reference to any laws broken.
Maybe it is as I suggested, that there are no actual laws being broken. ?
But simply disabling adblue is a policy infringment of the TC and DVSA etc.
If it is considered a competitive advantage ( and thus not allowed ) to disable adblue then is it a competitive advantage to run a Scania or MAN truck ( most of which do not have adblue ) or even an older Euro 3 truck ?
Does this publication mean it is perfectly legal to disable adblue on a private car or van ( which O licence does not apply ) as the TC does not have any power over the driver / owner ?
No, because it’s a C&U offence Reg 61a (3) 1 to use a vehicle which has been modified in such a way that it no longer complies with the air pollutant standards it was designed to meet. C&U usually isn’t retrospective, but newer vehicles have to meet standards that were current when they went through Type Approval.
I know instances where petrol cars have failed roadside emissions tests, and the owners have had to have them readjusted and put through an MoT emissions test.
Currently DVSA doesn’t have the equipment to do the same with diesels, hence the physical search for ‘devices’. But such is the scale of lawbreaking that’s been revealed you can expect to see such equipment being rolled out at roadside checks and eventually become a required pice of kit for test stations.
The UK government is facing massive fines for poor urban air quality…guess how they are going to fund them■■?
That’s right…pass the pain down the chain by targeting offending vehicles. I suspect that this is just the start.
nkshvck:
Quinny:
And here’s me thinking the inventor of AdBlue was only thinking of the kids.Ken.
This is always something I want to know.
Who decide that Adblue was going to be new system for reduce emissions? Because when they make this decision some person bacame billionaire in one night. There must of been alternative option which they did not choose, so what were reasons?
Who is still getting rich when we are buying Adblue in shop?
The retailer…it’s much cheaper to buy in bulk. Just like oil really. £25 a litre for engine oil at motorway services, £1.50 a litre if you buy a drum of it from an oil distributor.
maurice:
It’s only a delayed prohibition if you’re caught, a fine doesn’t get issued unless the prohibition isn’t lifted in time. We’ve had 2 trucks caught with them fitted but that was only because we weren’t aware DVSA were checking them. Got them wired to a switch nowadays so just a matter of switching the emulators off when getting stopped.
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you will notice in the graph above that ireland is well versed in fiddling anything and everything.
at least a poxy 300 quid fine and a prohibition is better than letting them keep digging and checking the red or green kittylittered laundered fuel in the tank…
DP//
GasGas:
nkshvck:
Quinny:
And here’s me thinking the inventor of AdBlue was only thinking of the kids.Ken.
This is always something I want to know.
Who decide that Adblue was going to be new system for reduce emissions? Because when they make this decision some person bacame billionaire in one night. There must of been alternative option which they did not choose, so what were reasons?
Who is still getting rich when we are buying Adblue in shop?
The retailer…it’s much cheaper to buy in bulk. Just like oil really. £25 a litre for engine oil at motorway services, £1.50 a litre if you buy a drum of it from an oil distributor.
'adblue in 1000l IBC’s, works out to around 40c eur a litre. Buy 10 IBC’s and the price drops even further. Fuel stations have a massive mark up on the stuff…
I pay 25 pence per litre for a 1000 ltr IBC
GasGas:
No, because it’s a C&U offence Reg 61a (3) 1 to use a vehicle which has been modified in such a way that it no longer complies with the air pollutant standards it was designed to meet. C&U usually isn’t retrospective, but newer vehicles have to meet standards that were current when they went through Type Approval.I know instances where petrol cars have failed roadside emissions tests, and the owners have had to have them readjusted and put through an MoT emissions test.
Currently DVSA doesn’t have the equipment to do the same with diesels, hence the physical search for ‘devices’. But such is the scale of lawbreaking that’s been revealed you can expect to see such equipment being rolled out at roadside checks and eventually become a required pice of kit for test stations.
The UK government is facing massive fines for poor urban air quality…guess how they are going to fund them■■?
That’s right…pass the pain down the chain by targeting offending vehicles. I suspect that this is just the start.
I think that bit of the C&U was the only bit I did not find. I read it and all the amendments ( at least thought I did ) but must have missed this one somehow.
I guess we are stuck with them sticking their nose in until they get bored and move onto something else ( or the box designers find a more disguised way of fooling the system )
To be fair, the SCR/AdBlue solution has proved to be the most reliable and effective in reducing NOx…a lot of the mechanical woes suffered by MAN, as one example, were caused directly or indirectly, by high-ratio EGR. Then there was the VW Lean NOx trap…which was the cause of dieselgate.
I know there were reliability problems with Euro IV SCR, but less than there was with the same-generation of EGR-only engines. Scania, which was all EGR back then, is now predominantly SCR-only.
If you buy AdBlue in bulk, the cost is buttons.
Speaking of dieselgate, there’s this, which is worth a read to see how worthless Euro (X) ratings can be in real world running.
That’s because the car tests were utterly unrepresentative of the operating conditions for cars…and made even more so by one manufacturer who twigged that it was only necessary to conform to the test parameters when the non-driven wheels of the car weren’t turning…because that meant it was on a test rig!
The truck/bus tests are more realistic by far. And Euro VI heavy-duty diesels actually monitor the gases going in and out of the SCR box in the exhaust and adjust the AdBlue dose in real time to ensure conformity.
Although the headline suggests the adblue eliminator was the main factor it would seem this guys operators licence had some history of issues too
I had to have a new Nox sensor fitted to my Scania 480 (scr) recently. £550 plus vat for the part plus fitting.
I have no problem with buying and using adblue, but 550, FFS!