caledoniandream:
I had the luck to Visit the Space centre in Houston and had a look in the Space-shuttle, fantastic piece of kid, but don’t expect super-duper electronics in there, it works and it’s easy to fix, but its defiantly no science fiction in there.
That’s America, if it ain’t broke don’t fix it, it’s OK as long as you don’t pretend it’s the new world, it’s not, it’s still the old world with a new lick of paint!
Total bunch of idiots who haven’t got a clue when everyone knows that it was a euro aerospace consortium headed by French and German engineering know how which beat the Americans to the moon and put Boeing and McDonnell Douglas etc out of business.
As for cars or trucks it’s no surprise that an old 1960’s yank pushrod V8 muscle car is worth more than a used modern techno V8 Merc or BMW and the same applies in regard to a used KW v a used modern Euro wagon.
Some one should tell the good people of Seattle
The fools keep turning up at the Boeing factories every day
A failing MD were taken over by Boeing after problems with the safety of some of there aircraft and they’re inability to develop larger aircraft to compete with Jumbo and Airbus generation.
caledoniandream:
If you pump enough money in it, than you can put an ERF on the moon
And regarding the price of “a 60’s American muscle car against a full tech Mercedes” really blade, You open your mouth and let your belly rumble.
But you said their engineering is so backward they wouldn’t have needed to spend much money on putting an ERF on the moon.
The clue as to why an old 1960’s muscle car is a lot more expensive to buy than a less than 10 year old V8 Merc is because the Merc repair bills will eventually reach the point where they exceed the value of the car (and the price of that old yank motor).Whereas the old Camaro,Mustang etc etc can be made to go just as fast or faster as/than the Merc and it can be fixed in the garage at home with a few spanners,a screwdriver,and a hammer.
caledoniandream:
If you pump enough money in it, than you can put an ERF on the moon
And regarding the price of “a 60’s American muscle car against a full tech Mercedes” really blade, You open your mouth and let your belly rumble.
But you said their engineering is so backward they wouldn’t have needed to spend much money on putting an ERF on the moon.
The clue as to why an old 1960’s muscle car is a lot more expensive to buy than a less than 10 year old V8 Merc is because the Merc repair bills will eventually reach the point where they exceed the value of the car (and the price of that old yank motor).Whereas the old Camaro,Mustang etc etc can be made to go just as fast or faster as/than the Merc and it can be fixed in the garage at home with a few spanners,a screwdriver,and a hammer.
The value of the 60’s and 70’s muscle cars is simply based on supply and demand. People want them, there’s a diminishing number therefore value increases. As for the “spanners, screwdrivers and hammer” theory ■■■■ I guess I’ve been doing it wrong all these years
Trust me, once you start tinkering and heading up the performance ladder it gets real “spendy”, real quick…
This one started as a little fettle and got to $30 grand. The car originally cost about $5k to buy stock.
Now 35K buys an awful lot of modern car Not as much fun as this was though
Don’t get me wrong here Carryfast, sure as [zb] I’d have the yank over the kraut any day I like my metal to have a soul, sound right and last forever (not just make it to Poland ).
The two are really chalk and cheese. The Merc is very German and built to do exactly what it says on the tin for a set period of time. The yanks are massively overbuilt but timeless. One built by calculator one by man
As far as the emmisions goes Caledonia, my 4.6litre V8 lump of Detroits finest passes the UK MOT emmisions test with better results than most eco euro boxes
The relevant bit is ‘why’ people want them assuming that they are supposed to be such piles of yank junk.
At a guess the pic looks like a small block Chev with a nice blower conversion bolted to it done that way instead of just bolting a good old fashioned 6 or 8/71 on top of the manifold so as not need any bonnet/hood modifications and therefore letting you see which way it was going round corners .
Carryfast:
The relevant bit is ‘why’ people want them assuming that they are supposed to be such piles of yank junk.
At a guess the pic looks like a small block Chev with a nice blower conversion bolted to it done that way instead of just bolting a good old fashioned 6 or 8/71 on top of the manifold so as not need any bonnet/hood modifications and therefore letting you see which way it was going round corners .
68 SS Camaro. The original 396 was ruined by hammer,screwdriver and spanner tuning So we took a 350 block from a pick up. Bored it, new pistons, custom heads, intake and outlet manifolds, re jetted the carb, decent plugs, Electronic fuel pumps, MSD programmable ignition(so it could be swapped form street to race easily), blower, methanol/water injection, sequential auto box, scratch built hand controls(my mate is in a wheelchair), new back axle etc, custom built rad/oil coolers, custom mufflers, vented the hood for cooling, disc brakes, wheels and tyres, roll cage, race seats etc etc
You are right about the blower set up. We chose that way to eliminate the need for a scoop meaning it could be used as an everyday car easier too.
You can see the scoop on the Mustang behind it.
All designed on the back of ■■■ packets and built over many drunk weekends (very un German ) [zb]ing off many neighbours and a spouse or two
The 460 engine from the Mustang was on an engine stand in the living room and rebuilt over the winter while watching TV when it was snowing. Not many woman have to vacuum around one of those
Caledoniandream, a very ill informed couple of posts, you may have a point on the wiring, but the rest of your comments are as far from the truth as you can get. emission wise the EPA 2010 engines are what you will be getting for Euro 6, they’ve been on the road here for the past three years They’re all crap with far too much junk on them, but that’s beside the point, the technology that’s already being used here will soon be apppearing on a forecourt near you
There is also a large movement over here that focuses on mpg, they have some very elaborate methods, they also knock out some serious power as a by product of improving the efficiency of the engines to get better fuel consumption
Prior to coming over here my last car in Britain was a C320CDI Merc, now I have a HEMI Charger and I wouldn’t swap it for a field full of C Class Mercs, as they rightly say, there’s no substitute for cubic inches
Carryfast:
The relevant bit is ‘why’ people want them assuming that they are supposed to be such piles of yank junk.
At a guess the pic looks like a small block Chev with a nice blower conversion bolted to it done that way instead of just bolting a good old fashioned 6 or 8/71 on top of the manifold so as not need any bonnet/hood modifications and therefore letting you see which way it was going round corners .
68 SS Camaro. The original 396 was ruined by hammer,screwdriver and spanner tuning So we took a 350 block from a pick up. Bored it, new pistons, custom heads, intake and outlet manifolds, re jetted the carb, decent plugs, Electronic fuel pumps, MSD programmable ignition(so it could be swapped form street to race easily), blower, methanol/water injection, sequential auto box, scratch built hand controls(my mate is in a wheelchair), new back axle etc, custom built rad/oil coolers, custom mufflers, vented the hood for cooling, disc brakes, wheels and tyres, roll cage, race seats etc etc
You are right about the blower set up. We chose that way to eliminate the need for a scoop meaning it could be used as an everyday car easier too.
You can see the scoop on the Mustang behind it.
All designed on the back of ■■■ packets and built over many drunk weekends (very un German ) [zb]ing off many neighbours and a spouse or two
The 460 engine from the Mustang was on an engine stand in the living room and rebuilt over the winter while watching TV when it was snowing. Not many woman have to vacuum around one of those
Then there’s always plan B and that’s just the figures with a two barrel carb and without the blower. About the same cost as a service on the Merc.
Just slapping that in your basic car would tear it apart CF. You’d need to chuck a good $5k+ at it in, mounts,bracing, ■■■■■■, prop, axle , new rad, decent rims and rubber not to mention brakes
Good price though if you didn’t want the hassle of sorting the motor yourself Although for us the blowers are pretty important for altitude compensation being at 4,000 ft up
billybigrig:
Just slapping that in your basic car would tear it apart CF. You’d need to chuck a good $5k+ at it in, mounts,bracing, ■■■■■■, prop, axle , new rad, decent rims and rubber not to mention brakes
Good price though if you didn’t want the hassle of sorting the motor yourself Although for us the blowers are pretty important for altitude compensation being at 4,000 ft up
I was thinking that motor with the blower in which case you probably wouldn’t notice the altitude.
Looking at one of the previous posts does that mean I can go in next week and day hey boss no need to spend a fortune buying DEF (adblue) don’t really need it. The engine in my frieghtliner is bout as clean as my old volvo in the UK yes it does drink the fuel but hey its not my fuel bill. I can leave the Loves at North Vegas NV 8 hrs later my next stop at Willard UT and it don’t feel like I done that ammount of time, if I did that back home legs and back would be in bits due to the lack of comfort and space however I can stretch out relax and enjoy the drive
billybigrig:
Just slapping that in your basic car would tear it apart CF. You’d need to chuck a good $5k+ at it in, mounts,bracing, ■■■■■■, prop, axle , new rad, decent rims and rubber not to mention brakes
Good price though if you didn’t want the hassle of sorting the motor yourself Although for us the blowers are pretty important for altitude compensation being at 4,000 ft up
I was thinking that motor with the blower in which case you probably wouldn’t notice the altitude.
billybigrig:
Just slapping that in your basic car would tear it apart CF. You’d need to chuck a good $5k+ at it in, mounts,bracing, ■■■■■■, prop, axle , new rad, decent rims and rubber not to mention brakes
Good price though if you didn’t want the hassle of sorting the motor yourself Although for us the blowers are pretty important for altitude compensation being at 4,000 ft up
I was thinking that motor with the blower in which case you probably wouldn’t notice the altitude.
I like my metal to have a soul, sound right and last forever (not just make it to Poland 
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