caledoniandream:
Depending on situation: if loaded and sealed it would be the responsibility of the warehouse foreman.
If pre-loaded but you still have full access to the load to strap up, or if they load you while you supervise the loading than the driver.
It’s your job, on many places you sign for the load cover your back-side and check, don’t accept wrong loads, wrong pallets etc.
you get paid to check, it’s part of the job!
When you do Multi-drop it’s even more important, because a wrong pallet between your load, or loaded in the wrong sequence means that you have a long hard day, dragging pallets backwards and forwards.
I would be even more aware if it where pallets that late arrive in the yard, as in the rush you could have the wrong pallet.
Drivers nowadays want to be taken for full, want to be respected, but checking a load, or paperwork is all too much, why?
I had drivers phoning me from 200 mile away, halfway through the journey to tell me that the quality certificate doesn’t add up with the delivery note, why do you check halfway through the journey, and not when you collect your load■■?
Take ownership, be professional, check loads, paperwork like you check your pay on the end of the month, and make that grade up from steeringwheel attendant to driver!!
Thanks for your reply caladoniandream ,Where I work have never had the driver check the pallets , warehouse loads it , driver grabs paperwork & gone. It quite often is loaded before you get to the yard, & they are trying to shove you through the gate before you have even fueled up or done vehicle checks!
war1974:
i would say its a mix of all of you to different extents, if its pre loaded as others have said quick check the last couple are ok would be enough for me, if they are loading you and being dicks I would be saying drop pallet, let me check,tick it off ok put it there.
no doubt they will get hacked off quite quick with this.
Thanks for your reply war, I tend to check the load is strapped down properly, on a few occasions some of the straps have been so slack they had come off , or draped over to look like it’s fastened if you looked only through the rear doors. I would much prefer it if they left the curtains open & no straps on it. I would rather do the job properly than someone else do a deliberately bad job , which may cause an accident. And as it’s the the supervisor /manager who is loading , he won’t keep putting a pallet down to be checked, nor put it where you want it.
insist on openi g the trailer. Better if sealed, get a manager out to witnes and re-seal. Check every pallet in detail. Ask for pallets that can not be easily checked from the ground to be lifted off with a forklift.
We did this once when we were getting the blame for trailer damages when we were shunting trailers around the yard. No problem. We started doing a full trailer walk around inspection every time we dropped and picked up a trailer. Every scratch to be confirmed and signed for by a manager. Took two nights before they gave in…
Thanks for your reply nodding donkey, opening the trailer shouldn’t be a problem, unless they’re trying to send you through the gate, which I shall refuse to do until I m satisfied that all is good & legal etc. I know they won’t lift the pallets off once they’re on, though it may be interesting if I demand it …watch this space!
cav551:
Depends whether you have to sign for the load as all present and correct. Also depends if preloaded if it is on a curtainsider or a box. If the latter and they are demanding that the driver takes responsibility for the presence of everything, then I would be insisting that they take it all off again so that I can check it.
Thanks for your reply cav, I don’t have to sign in most instances, & in nearly all cases it’s curtainsiders. That’s a good point though.
dcgpx:
At our place I’m preloaded before I get into work. But no strapping done so I check that I’ve got correct number of pallets for each drop as I secure them but that’s all I check. I don’t check every pallet for actual contents as far as I’m concerned that’s the warehouses job.
I did take a wrong pallet to a place yesterday but to be fair bossman says it’s not my job to check warehouse lot got the rollocking. They tried to moan at me when I got back but just ignored them and said I deliver what you put on. If pallet counts correct then not my issue its yours.
Just a note - when I say count pallets I don’t just do a number count I do check the counts for each address, but not the contents. Don’t have time for that as I’d miss half my timed drops
Thanks for your reply dcgpx, it sounds like you do Multi-drop, I am on trailer changes sometimes, & trailer drop amongst other types. So I can quite see why you do a count for an address.
If the trailer loaded and sealed,then its out of your hands,if its an “open” trailer check the amount of pallets correspond to the amount on your notes,sign as pallet contents not checked.
war1974:
i would say its a mix of all of you to different extents, if its pre loaded as others have said quick check the last couple are ok would be enough for me, if they are loading you and being dicks I would be saying drop pallet, let me check,tick it off ok put it there.
no doubt they will get hacked off quite quick with this.
Thanks for your reply war, I tend to check the load is strapped down properly, on a few occasions some of the straps have been so slack they had come off , or draped over to look like it’s fastened if you looked only through the rear doors. I would much prefer it if they left the curtains open & no straps on it. I would rather do the job properly than someone else do a deliberately bad job , which may cause an accident. And as it’s the the supervisor /manager who is loading , he won’t keep putting a pallet down to be checked, nor put it where you want it.
maybe this is the best way say the load isn’t being strapped properly and whilst doing it count and check each pallet?
no need to thank me for the reply I know your having difficulties where you work, I guess its up to you how militant you want to be!
All depends on what your carrying but some companies treat the driver as the one to blame if someone else has cocked up. The clues in the job title we aint pro checkers, pro waiters or pro paperwork filler-outers.
That said a pro driver is often the last line of defense from Mr cockup, so its a given we should check as much as possible the degree of this checking can vary from a glance to a full inspection.
Best of luck as I think I have read another thread of yours where your having a hard time of it at the moment.
Best tip I was given was to do all I could to cover my arse (ironically both in prison and when back in society)…
Richard R:
… you could fall under the ADR regs and the fine will land at the drivers door if you are plated incorrectly.
Sorry Richard R, but in writing that in the way you have, … you’re incorrect.
The responsibility for informing the driver as to whether a load is subject to ADR Regs rests with the carrier.
(The carrier is the owner of the vehicle.)
The responsibility for informing the carrier of what is (to be) loaded rests with the consignor.
(The consignor = the sender.)
It really is that simple mate, and anyone who says otherwise is unnecessarily complicating something that’s actually pretty straightforward, or isn’t aware of a law that changed on 09/05/2004.
lolipop:
If the trailer loaded and sealed,then its out of your hands,if its an “open” trailer check the amount of pallets correspond to the amount on your notes,sign as pallet contents not checked.
Thanks for your reply lolipop, I m taking this all on board.
war1974:
bonnie lass:
war1974:
i would say its a mix of all of you to different extents, if its pre loaded as others have said quick check the last couple are ok would be enough for me, if they are loading you and being dicks I would be saying drop pallet, let me check,tick it off ok put it there.
no doubt they will get hacked off quite quick with this.
Thanks for your reply war, I tend to check the load is strapped down properly, on a few occasions some of the straps have been so slack they had come off , or draped over to look like it’s fastened if you looked only through the rear doors. I would much prefer it if they left the curtains open & no straps on it. I would rather do the job properly than someone else do a deliberately bad job , which may cause an accident. And as it’s the the supervisor /manager who is loading , he won’t keep putting a pallet down to be checked, nor put it where you want it.
maybe this is the best way say the load isn’t being strapped properly and whilst doing it count and check each pallet?
no need to thank me for the reply I know your having difficulties where you work, I guess its up to you how militant you want to be!
good luck.
Thanks anyway , I appreciate all input on the matter.
Dipper_Dave:
All depends on what your carrying but some companies treat the driver as the one to blame if someone else has cocked up. The clues in the job title we aint pro checkers, pro waiters or pro paperwork filler-outers.
That said a pro driver is often the last line of defense from Mr cockup, so its a given we should check as much as possible the degree of this checking can vary from a glance to a full inspection.
Best of luck as I think I have read another thread of yours where your having a hard time of it at the moment.
Best tip I was given was to do all I could to cover my arse (ironically both in prison and when back in society)…
Thanks for your reply dipper dave, taking this all board, it seems likely that someone may be passing the buck !
Yes, times are hard for me at the moment .
Richard R:
… you could fall under the ADR regs and the fine will land at the drivers door if you are plated incorrectly.
Sorry Richard R, but in writing that in the way you have, … you’re incorrect.
The responsibility for informing the driver as to whether a load is subject to ADR Regs rests with the carrier.
(The carrier is the owner of the vehicle.)
The responsibility for informing the carrier of what is (to be) loaded rests with the consignor.
(The consignor = the sender.)
It really is that simple mate, and anyone who says otherwise is unnecessarily complicating something that’s actually pretty straightforward, or isn’t aware of a law that changed on 09/05/2004.
Hi, Thanks for your reply diesel dave, & for the sound information on Adr .
Got a message through last month to pick a load up out of leeds for Aberdeen, where from barnsley so nips up gets said load was easy to check, two big boxes. Sets off on my merry way to Aberdeen, just passing Lockerbie I get a phone call asking what’s taking so long? I said jokingly do you know where aberdeen is!?
Was meant to go back to the yard wasn’t booked in till the week after not my fault I wasnt told that!!
My problem was with collections. In our own yard, the FLT drivers were responsible and, mostly, they were loading to our plan anyway. We had a collection in MK. Usually two pallets stacked up with several dozen cardboard boxes. When they were loaded, we were expected to sign 15 or 20 separate sheets itemising everything in the boxes. I refused.
I was happy to sign for two pallets, said to contain xxxx, but not for a load of parts that I had never seen and had no way of checking. In the end we compromised and I signed all the sheets and added “UNCHECKED”.
Young_AL:
Got a message through last month to pick a load up out of leeds for Aberdeen, where from barnsley so nips up gets said load was easy to check, two big boxes. Sets off on my merry way to Aberdeen, just passing Lockerbie I get a phone call asking what’s taking so long? I said jokingly do you know where aberdeen is!?
Was meant to go back to the yard wasn’t booked in till the week after not my fault I wasnt told that!!
Thanks for your reply Y-AL, it’s wasn’t your day then !!
Santa:
My problem was with collections. In our own yard, the FLT drivers were responsible and, mostly, they were loading to our plan anyway. We had a collection in MK. Usually two pallets stacked up with several dozen cardboard boxes. When they were loaded, we were expected to sign 15 or 20 separate sheets itemising everything in the boxes. I refused.
I was happy to sign for two pallets, said to contain xxxx, but not for a load of parts that I had never seen and had no way of checking. In the end we compromised and I signed all the sheets and added “UNCHECKED”.
Thanks for your reply santa, don’t see how you could sign for the contents if you had no way of knowing what the contents were, meaning actually seen them for yourself , anybody could write anything on a piece of paper . I don’t blame you for putting unchecked on the paperwork.
nick2008:
I always sign unchecked contents not examined.
ie 1 pallet or 12 boxes.
Any damage I would norm take a picture.
I think it’s unrealistic of them to expect someone to sign for the contents of an unknown sealed box. I take photos of damaged pallets, & report it in the office & get someone to take a photo of the damage, & ask them to send an email to my boss.
Management always say drivers should do their job.for them this is why migrants are popular as they often don’t know their duties.its also managements responsibility to make sure you know your final destination .to them this means a postcode .fifth rate fifth column
mercury:
Management always say drivers should do their job.for them this is why migrants are popular as they often don’t know their duties.its also managements responsibility to make sure you know your final destination .to them this means a postcode .fifth rate fifth column
Thanks for your reply mercury, I wouldn’t leave the yard without a destination & details, more so with the attitude of these bods supposed to be in charge of my shift.
Here’s an update on the matter, I have spoken to a higher manager who I unexpectedly saw on the yard, & explained what I had been told to do, & without hesitation he said No, you just grab the paperwork & get gone!! He knew nothing about this matter until I bought it to his attention.
Someone pulling a fast one , passing the buck !!
bonnie lass:
Here’s an update on the matter, I have spoken to a higher manager who I unexpectedly saw on the yard, & explained what I had been told to do, & without hesitation he said No, you just grab the paperwork & get gone!! He knew nothing about this matter until I bought it to his attention.
Someone pulling a fast one , passing the buck !!
Hope he goes sort it then. Also hope he doesn’t inadvertently mention you by name as it sounds like you’ve enough grief at that place with having any more sent your way if they think you deliberately went above whoever wanted to pass the buck.
not my fault I wasnt told that!!