malcolmgbell:
I can’t think of any reasons why not only taking Driver CPC training is necessary but why you, as a professional driver shouldn’t enjoy your day with like minded individuals. Rather than going into the session with a negative attitude, next time think about how beneficial Driver CPC Training can be for you, your employer and the public!
Wow. Some folk will eat any old crap that’s fed to them!
malcolmgbell:
I can’t think of any reasons why not only taking Driver CPC training is necessary but why you, as a professional driver shouldn’t enjoy your day with like minded individuals. Rather than going into the session with a negative attitude, next time think about how beneficial Driver CPC Training can be for you, your employer and the public!
Yes, because in my last DCPC it was really beneficial to spend an entire afternoon learning what the driving licence categories are for mopeds, invalid carriages, lawn mowers and track laying vehicles steered by their tracks. 
truckyboy:
7 hours…i thought it was 35■■ or are you doing one day at a time instead of the weeks course…BTW…its the rolls royce causing the problem in the car park…not the sports car, as it belongs to a woman. ha ha
Each module is 7 hours. One has to complete 35 hours over a five year period. I had to pay to get my 35 hours on back-to-back days in 2014, that gave me a blue card lasting five years. By 2019, the next five modules totalling another 35 hours have to be completed. These have been taking place in single stab sessions of 7 hours about once per year since 2014. That means that for me at present, I’m due one more in the next year, and I’ve got my blue card for 2024, by which point any completed Brexit - might have turned over this silly system that is only there to make it easy for migrants to get trucking jobs, and lots of revenue raising capability for all this classic EU red tape rubbish that we continue to be saddled with for the time being. A better system would have been to bring immigrant drivers upto the British standard of driving, which oddly enough “Of better standard” - or at least, it used to be. Bringing English-speaking skills upto scratch as well - wouldn’t have gone amiss either. That applies for us Brits too, some of whom can’t even speak English as well as the average immigrant of course. 
As for getting the 35 hours over the 5-year period, it is considered OK for some daft reason - if one does the same module more than once as well.
The bottom line is though, that everyone going on a 7-hour DCPC module - has to actually have 7 hours of their time wasted in actual hours, rather than turning up, and bunking off down the pub early to watch the footy on telly, or whatever most bods do with their spare time these days.
malcolmgbell:
I can’t think of any reasons why not only taking Driver CPC training is necessary but why you, as a professional driver shouldn’t enjoy your day with like minded individuals. Rather than going into the session with a negative attitude, next time think about how beneficial Driver CPC Training can be for you, your employer and the public!
You are the type who will be at a cpc course. You are not a like minded individual. I would not enjoy a day cooped up with you.
I doubt Mrs Gormless will care if I’ve sat in a classroom for hours on end to get a little card the next time she cuts me up, nor will my boss care that I can bandage my thumb.
TheUncaringCowboy:
malcolmgbell:
P Stoff:
TheUncaringCowboy:
Fully intend on having mine signed off without ever attending a death by boredom class.I wish… I don’t know if I can stand 35 hours of nonsense
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And there lies the problem of today’s madness on ower roads,unqualified HGV drivers prancing up and down the country,
That did not attend the course claiming that they no it all,the hgv test was the bottom run of the ladder,the dcpc was put in place to help increase your education of being a better driver ,from people with vast more knowledge than the average driver,so please do the course and make it a better work place for all,every days a learning dayI don’t need some fat clown who’s done a few dayshifts in a rigid but has passed a course to say he can lecture others to tell me how to do my job.
I’ve done about two dozen first aid courses in my life, the only thing that seems to change is some vague nonsense to do with cpr and a plastic mask. I know my drivers hours inside out. I pull a fridge so being told I should fud around with curtains and put internal straps on bog roll is pretty pointless. No, it’s totally pointless in fact.
Please let me know which brain numbing 15 minute chat that’s dragged out for a full day that I’ve missed. Sitting in a classroom does not make anyone a better driver, despite what the bumchums will tell you.
And what happens if your employer goes up the swanee ?
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I spent over 30 years in education, including university, colleges, comps. nightschools, tertiary, company courses, training schemes, Govt. agency accredited courses…A few I have probably forgotten.
I have been educated and trained most of my life…The driver CPC course is in no way an education, it is not training, it is only monitored for attendance, it is merely an arse covering exercise and one to ensure that you know your place in society…It is most definitely not educational, in respect of the practical aspects and real life conditions that driving makes you a part of.
It seems that what ever I say you all seem to be adderment that it is a bad thing,it’s as if the system is against you,it was put in place to protect your from your selfs,you can no longer blame others for your errors,as now you are the ones that have to take respouncabity for you actions.the dcpc is there to educate you on how to do thing properly. I no you can’t teach an old dog new tricks,but you can educate the uneducated, there for making it a safer place for all,I bid you all a good day 
malcolmgbell:
It seems that what ever I say you all seem to be adderment that it is a bad thing,it’s as if the system is against you,it was put in place to protect your from your selfs,you can no longer blame others for your errors,as now you are the ones that have to take respouncabity for you actions.the dcpc is there to educate you on how to do thing properly. I no you can’t teach an old dog new tricks,but you can educate the uneducated, there for making it a safer place for all,I bid you all a good day
Seems I was wrong about you doing a ■■■■ take and not being entirely serious…
You DO actually believe all that crap don’t you? 
and have swallowed all the official rhetoric and bullcrap hook line and sinker.
if you are of the present day mindset of your paid from the neck down cabage in a hi viz lemming suited to tesco and stobart then theres nothing wrong with them paying you to waste everyones time with a course.
as usual its the more experienced that find it a complete waste of time comparable to sitting for 3 hours in a speed awareness course being bored into a near catatonic state with the useless discussions.
pass your test,get the keys and paperwork flung at you and told to get moving as your already late on your 1st day is more likely to give you a short sharp learning curve the same way as if you want to know the ins and outs of tacho law,then work for a cowboy subbie and you will know it all in a very short space of time.
some of the questions asked in here nowadays would bring tears to a glass eye whereas a while ago,you would just have winged it and learned hands on.
if you do the course and can learn anything from it,then you certainly needed the course,albeit if you are of that mindset,then if you decide driving isnt your true vocation in life,then a alternative carreer awaits you in burger king,asdasand kfc.
over here in northern ireland,then unless your not sitting with the rest of your company getting paid for it,then its not uncommon to get the module done for a wee bung and never see the inside of the building. 
malcolmgbell:
It seems that what ever I say you all seem to be adderment that it is a bad thing,it’s as if the system is against you,it was put in place to protect your from your selfs,you can no longer blame others for your errors,as now you are the ones that have to take respouncabity for you actions.the dcpc is there to educate you on how to do thing properly. I no you can’t teach an old dog new tricks,but you can educate the uneducated, there for making it a safer place for all,I bid you all a good day
rule’s are there for the guidance of wise men or the total adherence of fool’s. you seem to have taken it to another level.
malcolmgbell:
It seems that what ever I say you all seem to be adderment that it is a bad thing,it’s as if the system is against you,it was put in place to protect your from your selfs,you can no longer blame others for your errors,as now you are the ones that have to take respouncabity for you actions.the dcpc is there to educate you on how to do thing properly. I no you can’t teach an old dog new tricks,but you can educate the uneducated, there for making it a safer place for all,I bid you all a good day
It is a bad thing…
It pretends to educate when it clearly does not. Every week there is a new thread on here involving some moron who sat through this dcpc crap, hitting a bridge, driving like a numpty or just generally behaving like a prize idiot and winning first prize at the prize idiots county fair.
The system is against us. It will ALWAYS be against the working man.
Make it pass/fail, involve some driving, blind side reversing, load distribution, strapping techniques, fridge unit temperature settings etc. Try to actually engage us on a level that we can learn from.
grumpyken52:
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I go work for someone else 
Not sure what that has to do with anything…
Malcolmgbell…are you deluded…or just a newby who had no choice but to sit these courses…Professional CPC dude…my arse…these were trained only to give the courses…and most have no affiliation with the transport industry, having not worked in it, or ever stepped one foot inside a truck…I have been in this industry over 50 years…pray tell me what that course can teach me…ok the trucks are different, the trailers longer, and we no longer have to rope and sheet ( some still do btw ) legislation, i have followed it along my career, and noted the changes…from log sheets…to log books…to tacho cards. to the digital era…i know the highway code, speed limits for trucks, where we can drive and not drive…have vast experience of the highways and byways from the uk to nearly every country in europe, scandinavia, eastern bloc, russia and down to the middle east…pray tell what i can learn…i can handle left hand drive, right hand drive, flats tauts, tilts, tanks,fridges, containers, even low loaders…pray tell what i can learn…i can strap any load, from reels of paper ( standing up ), to steel coils…to drums of chemicals, to fragile loads and timber products…pray tell what i can learn…as Rob said, you have been sucked into the system mate…maybe you need to gain valuable experience, a few years under your belt, then come back and tell us thet whatever you learned, was on your own accord, and not by some classroom course, taught by some idiot, who half the time doesnt know what hes talking about, for sure as hell, when i had to do mine ( company policy and paid for )…i taught him a thing or two.
truckyboy your just a bloody knowall.
m.a.n rules:
truckyboy your just a bloody knowall.
He is entitled to his opinion as well as we are,some seem to be not willing to refresh the knowledge that the have gained in there many years,as I said you can not teach a old dog new tricks,But the new eggs out there must not be denied the chance to gain this knowledge
After all the powers thatbe fill that it is needed,and i think in some areas it is needed [wink]
truckyboy:
Malcolmgbell…are you deluded…or just a newby who had no choice but to sit these courses…Professional CPC dude…my arse…these were trained only to give the courses…and most have no affiliation with the transport industry, having not worked in it, or ever stepped one foot inside a truck…I have been in this industry over 50 years…pray tell me what that course can teach me…ok the trucks are different, the trailers longer, and we no longer have to rope and sheet ( some still do btw ) legislation, i have followed it along my career, and noted the changes…from log sheets…to log books…to tacho cards. to the digital era…i know the highway code, speed limits for trucks, where we can drive and not drive…have vast experience of the highways and byways from the uk to nearly every country in europe, scandinavia, eastern bloc, russia and down to the middle east…pray tell what i can learn…i can handle left hand drive, right hand drive, flats tauts, tilts, tanks,fridges, containers, even low loaders…pray tell what i can learn…i can strap any load, from reels of paper ( standing up ), to steel coils…to drums of chemicals, to fragile loads and timber products…pray tell what i can learn…as Rob said, you have been sucked into the system mate…maybe you need to gain valuable experience, a few years under your belt, then come back and tell us thet whatever you learned, was on your own accord, and not by some classroom course, taught by some idiot, who half the time doesnt know what hes talking about, for sure as hell, when i had to do mine ( company policy and paid for )…i taught him a thing or two.
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+1
sums it up nicely. 
dieseldog999:
truckyboy:
Malcolmgbell…are you deluded…or just a newby who had no choice but to sit these courses…Professional CPC dude…my arse…these were trained only to give the courses…and most have no affiliation with the transport industry, having not worked in it, or ever stepped one foot inside a truck…I have been in this industry over 50 years…pray tell me what that course can teach me…ok the trucks are different, the trailers longer, and we no longer have to rope and sheet ( some still do btw ) legislation, i have followed it along my career, and noted the changes…from log sheets…to log books…to tacho cards. to the digital era…i know the highway code, speed limits for trucks, where we can drive and not drive…have vast experience of the highways and byways from the uk to nearly every country in europe, scandinavia, eastern bloc, russia and down to the middle east…pray tell what i can learn…i can handle left hand drive, right hand drive, flats tauts, tilts, tanks,fridges, containers, even low loaders…pray tell what i can learn…i can strap any load, from reels of paper ( standing up ), to steel coils…to drums of chemicals, to fragile loads and timber products…pray tell what i can learn…as Rob said, you have been sucked into the system mate…maybe you need to gain valuable experience, a few years under your belt, then come back and tell us thet whatever you learned, was on your own accord, and not by some classroom course, taught by some idiot, who half the time doesnt know what hes talking about, for sure as hell, when i had to do mine ( company policy and paid for )…i taught him a thing or two.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
+1
sums it up nicely.
From what I’ve seen they don’t seem to partisepat in NI but if they did it would benefit them.im going now before this thread becomes personal, you have heard my views and I respect yours,have a good weekend and keep it lit
As for experienced drivers maybe learning new things…
I don’t ■■■■ want to learn new things, I’ve no ■■■■ interest any longer. 
robroy:
As for experienced drivers maybe learning new things…
I don’t [zb] want to learn new things, I’ve no [zb] interest any longer.
Knowledge is power,unless it’s a V8
The system at the moment is far from perfect .
Just having to attend and listen to the same boring thing maybe 5 times defeats the purpose of the qualification . Many who have the card have no more knowledge now than they had before .
I had several years away from driving and in that time various things changed , speed limiters , tacho breaks etc .
Unless you make a real effort to stay up to date , regs and laws get introduced and or changed ,and they pass you by , especially if you work for a company where transport is not the main business.
Maybe if once you have qualified via a proper exam, as new drivers have to , we just did a refresher day every 3-5 years that covered any new regulations or changes .
The only thing that I have been nabbed for in the past 25 years is when the London safer truck regs came in a few years ago .
I didn’t have a suicide mirror fitted on a one year old truck . I was done on the day of the new regs , within sight of where Boris was on the telly informing about the new regs . When asking other drivers about this for months afterwards the reply was " what ! Never heard of it ".
Even on the courses if you don’t ask questions about specifics like double manning or Train/Ferry breaks then it often doesn’t get mentioned .
Four years after its introduction we still get questions on these forums on the basics . It shows that the system isn’t working .
Not all drivers have the savvy or the skills to go online to check the rules or such , not all of us have got the gadgets to access online information. It’s also not helped by the attitude of some companies towards drivers , little or no support , no financial support for training or qualifications .
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