Which union to join

Rolls Royce? Texaco?

rolls royce use ceva for transport?

Perhaps for the everyday tat that gets moved around they do. Do you imagine for stuff such as jet engines they also use Ceva, or do you suspect (as I do) that they use their own vehicles and their own highly paid drivers?

Oh, while we are at it, how about the Ford car transporter boys, unionised or not? Fairly decent wage or not?

i dont know isnt ford a closed shop or something similar? (blokes on the lines waiting to get onto driving?).

ok had my happy pills now so am going to agree in few cases, however i dont know if rolls use their own trucks for some and ceva for others as i was under the impression they done the whole shebang.

the maoster:
Perhaps for the everyday tat that gets moved around they do. Do you imagine for stuff such as jet engines they also use Ceva, or do you suspect (as I do) that they use their own vehicles and their own highly paid drivers?

Oh, while we are at it, how about the Ford car transporter boys, unionised or not? Fairly decent wage or not?

Sorry Maoster,
But this is where I shoot you down in Flames, Non of the companies that you have mentioned are Haulage companys , they are all in house Transport completely different.
They do not run Haulage as a business but move only there own goods and so do not have to make a profit, and it has all ways been common knowledge that in house haulage were the best jobs. And they are highly paid because costs are not a major consideration for these companies, and not because of Union pressure.,.

Ok Yoyo I’ll concede that you have a very good point there. Tbh I was shooting from the lip whilst sat on a bay, but I’m absolutely certain that my original point stands re unions equaling generally higher wages etc.

Without doing any in depth research myself ('cos life is too short :wink: ) I’ll name one Co with exceptional wages, terms etc and that is Nynas (may be spelt wrong) who do bitumen products from the North West. Their pay packets need to be seen to be believed and it’s purely down to a strong union that they get this.

war1974:
none they are as bad as politicians, only out for themselves.

i would avoid

+1

mb14:
Dont waste your money

+1

chester1:
Don’t bother with any save your money

+1

The place I left last year consulted the Unions over pay rises (there were 3 members from our group of 20+), The last pay rise was 4.5%, the Union were happy to settle at 1.5%.

I have never been in a Union, dont ever intend to, Shop stewards from my experience are either kiss arses or out for their own good, and why pay someone X amount of £ per month to say something you can say yourself, Employment Law is easy to find and read, alongside the Employee Handbook and your well on your way to putting your bosses on the back foot in times of discipline.

B1 GGK:
The place I left last year consulted the Unions over pay rises (there were 3 members from our group of 20+), The last pay rise was 4.5%, the Union were happy to settle at 1.5%.

I have never been in a Union, dont ever intend to, Shop stewards from my experience are either kiss arses or out for their own good, and why pay someone X amount of £ per month to say something you can say yourself, Employment Law is easy to find and read, alongside the Employee Handbook and your well on your way to putting your bosses on the back foot in times of discipline.

++++++ 1 There.

B1 GGK:
The place I left last year consulted the Unions over pay rises (there were 3 members from our group of 20+), The last pay rise was 4.5%, the Union were happy to settle at 1.5%.

I have never been in a Union, dont ever intend to, Shop stewards from my experience are either kiss arses or out for their own good, and why pay someone X amount of £ per month to say something you can say yourself, Employment Law is easy to find and read, alongside the Employee Handbook and your well on your way to putting your bosses on the back foot in times of discipline.

this is my point from my own experiences, even to the point one union rep would (in the 90’s mind) come in on union business and then go out and do a 15 hours shift! this stopped after a quick chat with management by several drivers.

I wouldn’t bother the Transport industry is not the right environment for unions, I joined unite/TGW and what a disapointment all they ever talk about is the Labour Party and NHS jobs and use the NHS as a political whipping stick, my £11 a month subs just keeps union officials in jobs and fancy offices and pays their final salary pensions :frowning: :frowning:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Thanks for thr answers guys.
Guess I’ll save my money for now

I’m in the GMB, I’ve never had the need to use them, but have known others that have and they basically saved their jobs. Employment law works both ways, but without a union on your side to fight your corner ask yourself could you defend yourself against unfair treatment?

might be soomething new on the horizon pdu-uk (just watching )

A Non-profit Modern Day Union 100% for Drivers by Drivers.
Key Aims:-
To Unite UK Drivers. (Truckers)
To fully represent the membership at National and Local level.
To improve working conditions, the welfare and facilities for UK Drivers.
To provide legal advice and assistance.
To assist Member and Family following work related accident.
To gain recognition and respect as a Profession.
To work closely with Employers and the Industry.
To have an open door policy of communication.
Plus:-
An Annual National Conference for UK Drivers.
To offer hospitality at driver meeting places. (truckfest etc)
Subs will be no more than £30.00pa

No link (forum rules)

do you really need to join a union

A word from a Nobel prize winner on unions:

youtu.be/xzYgiOC9cj4

Make a list of them all, contact them and ask questions for a SWOT Analysis. (strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, and threats)

What are you doing about the driver shortage?

Who are you lobbying about parking facilities?

Who are your members?

Despite the strength of the unions, how is it that drivers are still on minimum wage? What Shortage?

How many of your staff recruit/operate in a country that is not governed by Britain?

I cant find a flying pig emoji :smiling_imp:

I think the most important thing about joining a Union would be that the vast majority of your workforce are in it, and are willing to withhold their labour. The Union would also have to be realistic in their goals. You will be at one end and your employer will be at the other. If you both can meet somewhere halfway, but preferably slightly more in your favour :laughing: that has to be acceptable. I believe negotiation is the key. You should achieve more by a negotiated pay rise than just being told how much your company can pay you that year. You only have to look at Asda store compared to warehouse.
I have been in a Union almost all my working life. I am not seeing the big pay rises given out at the moment, as I am already on a decent hourly rate with good terms and conditions. All the years I’ve worked for this company I have had a pay rise every single year.

I’m a member of Unite, where I work is a URTU site, in my experience URTU are useless with risible benefits and a spineless attitude towards management.
A good friend of mine who works at another site for a different company tells me the exact opposite, a mirror image, so much so that he has quit Unite and joined URTU
So you pays your money and you take your choice
What I would say is that you should join a union, preferably Unite, don’t listen to these
Windbags banging on about how “useless” “only in it for themselves” garbage, especially the clowns who still bang on about the coal miners strike almost forty years ago, the past is another country as they say, how else do working people, individuals like you and me, hold employers, especially huge multinational logistics corporations in some cases, to account?
By joining Unite you’re part of over 1.2 million members with the financial clout to engage in protracted legal proceedings against rogue employers on your behalf.