Where have all the old cars gone?

Mongoose:
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I’d just love a 2 door avenger with twin headlights. Had boatloads of Capris. Old hat now.

Classic car prices are going through the roof. I’d like another classic in addition to my 1977 VW camper but prices are getting prohibitive. I bought the VW on a whim 7 years ago, thank god I did, would never be able to afford it now its gone up in price so much. As someone pointed out its easier to stomach spending a fortune on a vehicle that rises in value. My van is a money pit and I have to spend a fortune on it to keep it up to scratch but its gone up in value so much its always worth it. Not that I’ll ever sell her. Ideally I want another E30 3 Series BMW. In my humble opinion the best looking car ever made. Ive owned two, both bought for pennies, but even they are climbing in value fast. Either that or a late 70s early 80s XJ6, I have a big soft spot for Jaguars

There is still a few classics that if you look in the right place like a mini or a capri

There both rising though. As luke says prices are rising fast vw campers and mark 1 and 2 escorts especaly the rs ones make real big money

Never mind the old cars,where are all of the old lorries.I was driving a spare motor to-day with a gear stick and frisbee tacho.Just about stalled the old girl a couple of times.

The only old machines nowadays is tractors

switchlogic:
Classic car prices are going through the roof. I’d like another classic in addition to my 1977 VW camper but prices are getting prohibitive. I bought the VW on a whim 7 years ago, thank god I did, would never be able to afford it now its gone up in price so much. As someone pointed out its easier to stomach spending a fortune on a vehicle that rises in value. My van is a money pit and I have to spend a fortune on it to keep it up to scratch but its gone up in value so much its always worth it. Not that I’ll ever sell her. Ideally I want another E30 3 Series BMW. In my humble opinion the best looking car ever made. Ive owned two, both bought for pennies, but even they are climbing in value fast. Either that or a late 70s early 80s XJ6, I have a big soft spot for Jaguars

when i was about six(1980 ish),my parents borrowed a split screen vw camper for us to go on holiday in superb-the bloke we borrowed it from wanted to sell it when we got back,(we were going to buy it but he sold it to his bloody brother in law). the price? 50 quid !!! :open_mouth:
i agree about the E30 3 series luke,superb motors.325 sports have become very desirable in the last three or four years.wish i bloody had one!
as for the xj6,i had a 1985 series 111 sovereign when i was in my early twenties-i loved that car :sunglasses:you should get one whilst they’re still affordable.fantastic cars and the 4.2 litre XK engine is bullet proof

Included in my past car ownership. Some truly awful “classics” apart from the BMW which I loved like a pet dog.

Volvo 340 variomatic 1980 something
1980 Mercedes 200
1988 montego auto (fancy version with wooden effect veneer trim)
Vauxhall Nova
Citroen Ax
1989 VW Golf
1988 Ford ■■■■■■ 1.1
1996 Soda Felcia Moravia
1992 BMW 325i

I’m not really into cars (you can tell), mind you a classic 1989 Porsche 911 964 would still tickle my fancy.

So what do you think would be a popular future classic then I am thinking about saving up and getting a alfa romeo brera and everyone I know says I’m mad

irish lorries:
So what do you think would be a popular future classic then I am thinking about saving up and getting a alfa romeo brera and everyone I know says I’m mad

BMW E39 5 Series. Best saloon car in the world in their day and still cheap. My tip for a future classic.

switchlogic:

irish lorries:
So what do you think would be a popular future classic then I am thinking about saving up and getting a alfa romeo brera and everyone I know says I’m mad

BMW E39 5 Series. Best saloon car in the world in their day and still cheap. My tip for a future classic.

Any of them audi quattros too

Agree with Luke. Interesting choice of BMW.

My E36 BMW has been going 22 years. An old friend. I’m not one to form attachments to machinery but this is different. It’s extremely tatty now, corrosion a losing battle from the years and a blown head gasket that I put sealer in to stem the death. The idle control valve is gone too and it revs up and down at idle. The handbrake rubs. But that car has never ever ever failed to start on a tick or let me down in the mst viscous of weather or left for weeks on end. Their engineering in the 80s was incredible. I open the bonnet and look at that long 6 cylinder engine and can stare at it for ages just marvelling at it. I’m just in awe. It’s like a terminally ill person who still runs marathons. A true tank. They put their engines in WW2 fighters. The (contraversial) pedigree shows.

andrew.s:
as for the xj6,i had a 1985 series 111 sovereign when i was in my early twenties-i loved that car :sunglasses:you should get one whilst they’re still affordable.fantastic cars and the 4.2 litre XK engine is bullet proof

Hopefully my old 1984 series 3 XJ12 still has plenty of life in it.In modified form fitted with the later type XJRS 6.0 litre engine and a five speed manual box there’s very little around that can match the combination of unstressed performance and comfort.But it is a heavy car for the 4.2 6 cylinder to haul around in XJ6 form which makes that a slower car but not much,if any,better on fuel with performance being more of a priority than fuel consumption on a low mileage classic anyway.

If/when it’s time to replace it the VXR8 is probably the best example of one of the more recent future classics.With the combination of big simple to work on pushrod Chevy V8 and decent manual box with lots of tuning potential for even bigger power outputs.Which arguably makes it a better choice than an E39 M5.

I was thinking about the standard 5 series not the M5. The E39 M5 isn’t cheap. I’m probably gonna buy a E39 soon, I’d ideally love a 530 or some such. As I see it there are different types of enthusiasts. Some like you Carry make them into the car they want with modifications. Then you’ve what in the VW scene people call the rat look. They like the rust and decay and wear it like a badge of honour. Then you’ve ones like me, who like everything original. I want everything to look just how it should. So my campervan is almost exactly as it rolled out of the factory and that makes me smile! Same with my lorry actually. Was just thinking yesterday how it must be one of the most original 750s on the road, no light bars, frilly curtains etc, no extras. So yeah, I’d love a nice E39, in white preferably to tidy up and keep immaculate.

Freight Dog:
Agree with Luke. Interesting choice of BMW.

My E36 BMW has been going 22 years. An old friend. I’m not one to form attachments to machinery but this is different. It’s extremely tatty now, corrosion a losing battle from the years and a blown head gasket that I put sealer in to stem the death. The idle control valve is gone too and it revs up and down at idle. The handbrake rubs. But that car has never ever ever failed to start on a tick or let me down in the mst viscous of weather or left for weeks on end. Their engineering in the 80s was incredible. I open the bonnet and look at that long 6 cylinder engine and can stare at it for ages just marvelling at it. I’m just in awe. It’s like a terminally ill person who still runs marathons. A true tank. They put their engines in WW2 fighters. The (contraversial) pedigree shows.

I’m same with 6 cylinder BMW engine, I think its a work of genius. Ive owned two, both in E30s. Such a wonderful engine to drive. A friend bought a diesel BMW a while ago and while the diesel is no doubt brilliant I thought they were mad! I said why but a diesel when BMW produce the best petrol engines in the world!

kr79:
If I had the cash I’d love either a Fiat 132 . . . Try finding a fiat 132 though

Here you go, but before you get the cheque book out you’ll have to remove the crap from the blacked-out rear windows and find a decent 2.0 litre engine - but the best of luck in finding the original alloys . . . rarer than a honest politician!

Carryfast:
In general real classics don’t get that title by accident.There’s a difference between ‘classic’ cars and just old poverty spec cars.Anything with 6 or more cylinders,rwd and in which the manufacturer has at least made an effort to provide value for money is a good start point and that applies even in the case of old BLMC or Ford products.

And so, at the stroke of a pen, such classics as the Morris Minor, all MGA’s and MGB’s, Alfa’s, Lancia’s, the vast majority of Citroen’s, Peugeot and Renaults etc etc are gone. We can also get rid of the Lotus Cortina’s and the Mexico’s - and the bubble tents they’re kept in.

But you’ll find that poverty spec cars hold their worth a lot more than top spec ones. They will have been, in general, less loved, less cared for, and scrapped at the drop of a hat so there is less of them about - and the good ones fetch bloody good money! Sierra Cosworth’s and XR4’s are plentiful and easy money but try to find a series 1 base spec Sierra.

alamcculloch:
I wonder if the fact that cars are full of electronics and have been for 20 odd years mean that bangers cant be fixed or bodged in the old way.

ECU’s and the major parts of the electronics of a car can be repaired but imo the real problem with newer cars will be the sensors they rely on. Not worth repairing and only worth manufacturing in their millions they just won’t be feasible.

Stanley Knife:

Carryfast:
In general real classics don’t get that title by accident.There’s a difference between ‘classic’ cars and just old poverty spec cars.Anything with 6 or more cylinders,rwd and in which the manufacturer has at least made an effort to provide value for money is a good start point and that applies even in the case of old BLMC or Ford products.

And so, at the stroke of a pen, such classics as the Morris Minor, all MGA’s and MGB’s, Alfa’s, Lancia’s, the vast majority of Citroen’s, Peugeot and Renaults etc etc are gone. We can also get rid of the Lotus Cortina’s and the Mexico’s - and the bubble tents they’re kept in.

But you’ll find that poverty spec cars hold their worth a lot more than top spec ones. They will have been, in general, less loved, less cared for, and scrapped at the drop of a hat so there is less of them about - and the good ones fetch bloody good money! Sierra Cosworth’s and XR4’s are plentiful and easy money but try to find a series 1 base spec Sierra.

There are always exceptions which prove rules and differences in personal preferences.While the Lotus Cortina or any of the quick Escorts weren’t exactly poverty spec examples in their class.

However even amongst your list you’ve got inconvenient competitors like the MGC or MGB V8,Austin Healey 3.0 litre and Westminster,Triumph TR5,3.0 litre Capri and Uren Cortina Mk2 Savage.Amongst other 6 cylinder options like Mk2 and S type Jags and 3.0 Litre BMW’s.None of which are exactly cheap options.