Yes, that was a bit off side born from frustration so I take it back, the inaccuracy was all mine 
MAT:
Yes, that was a bit off side born from frustration so I take it back, the inaccuracy was all mine
No problem.
Hells teeth!!! I’ve just noticed you are from Leicester the same as ROG. Must be something in the water up there. 
Well i’ve missed the point then. What does 'a rest period can be counted for either week but not both ’ mean ?
Mike-C:
Well i’ve missed the point then. What does 'a rest period can be counted for either week but not both ’ mean ?
A rest period which begins in one week and ends in the next, Saturday to Monday for example, can be counted as the rest period for either week, the week just gone or the coming week but you cannot count it for both weeks.
Coffeeholic:
Mike-C:
Well i’ve missed the point then. What does 'a rest period can be counted for either week but not both ’ mean ?A rest period which begins in one week and ends in the next, Saturday to Monday for example, can be counted as the rest period for either week, the week just gone or the coming week but you cannot count it for both weeks.
OK, lets try this…
On Monday 10 May I started work at 04.30 having completed a weekly rest of 45 hours plus. For the purposes of this example, you can assume that this rest period applies to week commencing Monday 10th,
We’ll call this week one. he’s had 45 hours rest.
So, having worked untill 18.30 on Sat 15 May, I then took another weekly rest period of 40.5 hours, which of course is reduced.
He can count this reduced rest for week one (also)or week two, its immaterial, there is no restriction on taking weekly rests.
I then worked another week and this weekend, i.e sat 22 / sun 23 may I have taken another weekly rest period which is reduced 42.5 hours as I start work again on Monday 24 May at 13.00.
He can attribute this rest period to week two (along with the previous reduced rest?)?
Next weekend, I will take a full 45 hours along with any shortfall compensated for.
So he’ll take a 45 hour weekly rest in week three?
Not sure if i’m making the same mistake as him but it certainley defies any logic being able to attribute weekly rest to a week you have yet to work, as per the regs.
Mike the point is that unless a weekly rest period (regular or reduced) was attributed to the week ending 9th May then the weekly rest taken on the 8th/9th/10th could not be attributed to the week commencing 10th May.
If the weekly rest taken on 8th/9th/10th had to be attributed to the week ending 9th May because no other weekly rest had been taken for that week then he would be having only reduced weekly rest periods in weeks 1 (Week commencing 10th May) and 2 (week commencing 17th May).
The legality of this work pattern depends entirely on whether or not a weekly rest period prior to the weekly rest period taken on 8th/9th/10th could be attributed to the week ending on 9th May.
Because the weekend prior to the 9th/10th May was a bank holiday weekend MAT had over 69 hours weekly rest which is a back to back regular weekly rest and reduced weekly rest, because of this MAT had in fact had a reduced weekly rest in the week ending 9th May which means that the rest taken on 8th/9th/10th can be attributed to the week commencing on the 10th May.
Mind bending isn’t it, maybe the powers that be in Brussels who inflict these rules should read this thread and see what they’re putting us through, Perhaps thats for another debate.
As it happened, my load was delayed yesterday and I got a call asking me to come in later (nice people who I work for) so I actually got 45 hours in the end anyway.
So this whole discussion has turned out to be somewhat academic, but very worthwhile.
Mike-C:
it certainley defies any logic being able to attribute weekly rest to a week you have yet to work
Do you need a good rest BEFORE driving 
Do you need a good rest AFTER driving
As the answer to both is likely to be a yes then does it matter which way around the full or reduced weekly rests are
ROG:
Mike-C:
it certainley defies any logic being able to attribute weekly rest to a week you have yet to workDo you need a good rest BEFORE driving
Do you need a good rest AFTER drivingAs the answer to both is likely to be a yes then does it matter which way around the full or reduced weekly rests are
As the answer to both questions is no where does that leave your argument?
And I agree with Mike in it does clearly defy logic that you can count a rest for a week before you have actually done any work in that week.
it certainly defies any logic being able to attribute weekly rest to a week you have yet to work
As the supposed theoretical aim of the weekly rest is to ensure a driver is properly rested before going on the road surely the correct time for a weekly rest is before the weeks work, or am I missing something 
As far as I can see having a weekly rest period at the end of the working week does nothing for road safety either practically or theoretically unless the driver will also be driving the following week, which of course most of us do.
Also at least being able to count a weekly rest period that crosses over Sunday/Monday for either week gives more flexibility to the driver which in my opinion is generally a good thing.
ROG:
Do you need a good rest AFTER driving
No … why would you ?
tachograph:
ROG:
Do you need a good rest AFTER drivingNo … why would you ?
To recuperate 
ROG:
tachograph:
ROG:
Do you need a good rest AFTER drivingNo … why would you ?
To recuperate
LOL, fair enough ROG but wanting to recuperate is hardly something that needs regulation unless tiredness is likely to be a safety factor in your next activities
And now ROG has got involved in the thread we have managed to get a simple question with a simple, although hard work getting the message across answer, to two pages.
tachograph:
it certainly defies any logic being able to attribute weekly rest to a week you have yet to work
As the supposed theoretical aim of the weekly rest is to ensure a driver is properly rested before going on the road surely the correct time for a weekly rest is before the weeks work, or am I missing something
As far as I can see having a weekly rest period at the end of the working week does nothing for road safety either practically or theoretically unless the driver will also be driving the following week, which of course most of us do.
Also at least being able to count a weekly rest period that crosses over Sunday/Monday for either week gives more flexibility to the driver which in my opinion is generally a good thing.
Indeed , it gives a great deal of flexibility. So much so that seeing as only 28 days records need to be held /producable you could declare rest periods for whatever weeks you like almost.
AFAIA the requirement for a rest period is after working and not before so i’d doubt your ‘theoretical aim’ idea. Lets be straight here, its to stop you from working to much and not to make sure you are rested before going to work. So, yes, you’re missing something.
. . . . . and let’s not forget - Road Safety is actually the second declared aim of the Regulations 