Krankee:
The burden on local services is relative to the population and occupancy levels of individual houses, NOT the intrinsic value of those properties.
Whilst I can agree with lots of what you wrote about the poll tax I have to draw the line at the bit about " occupancy levels ".
The occupancy levels of many houses in the prettier parts of England, Wales and Scotland is zero most of the time because they have been bought up by high paid people who can afford a second house.
They push the cost of housing way out of reach of the people who live and work in the area and then whinge about council tax and how they shouldn’t have to pay the full amount as they are only there part of the time and anyway they pay council tax where they have their main residence. The fact of the matter is that the local services cost just as much to run whether they are in residence or not, it doesn’t cost less to send a bin lorry on the daily run just because it doesn’t have to empty the bin in every third house, and it would be a little unfair to expect the ( usually ) poorly paid locals to pick up the extra burden. If you can afford to own 2 homes you can afford to pay 2 council taxes.
Krankee:
The burden on local services is relative to the population and occupancy levels of individual houses, NOT the intrinsic value of those properties.
Whilst I can agree with lots of what you wrote about the poll tax I have to draw the line at the bit about " occupancy levels ".
The occupancy levels of many houses in the prettier parts of England, Wales and Scotland is zero most of the time because they have been bought up by high paid people who can afford a second house.
They push the cost of housing way out of reach of the people who live and work in the area and then whinge about council tax and how they shouldn’t have to pay the full amount as they are only there part of the time and anyway they pay council tax where they have their main residence. The fact of the matter is that the local services cost just as much to run whether they are in residence or not, it doesn’t cost less to send a bin lorry on the daily run just because it doesn’t have to empty the bin in every third house, and it would be a little unfair to expect the ( usually ) poorly paid locals to pick up the extra burden. If you can afford to own 2 homes you can afford to pay 2 council taxes.
I’m not sure I agree on this one. To be fair if these people are not occupying these houses they can’t possibly be using the services and should not have to pay, for example if a whole street was owned by ‘second home’ owners the council would not have to send a bin lorry up there as there would be no rubbish to collect (providing they were all vacant of course). I know these holiday home owners push up prices, which is unfortunate, but I suppose thats the price you pay for living in a free market?
Personally I think foreign trucks shouldnt be allowed to drive over here, let them drop their trailers at the docks, and the British driver can do the rest. They are taking over our jobs, our country, running on johnny foreigner diesel at a fraction of what our hauliers are paying. Lets face facts, they need us more than we need them, how many UK trucks go to the Continent versus continental trucks coming here■■? They will still be in a job, they are taking the trailer to the port, but not abusing our country.
allrighty:
Personally I think foreign trucks shouldnt be allowed to drive over here, let them drop their trailers at the docks, and the British driver can do the rest.
You’re joking right? I guess you are also saying British drivers won’t be able to drive abroad as well then? Don’t forget many hauliers and customers choose to use an accompanied service because they feel they get a better service when their freight goes that way. It can also be for insurance or security reasons.
allrighty:
They are taking over our jobs, our country
How are the ones coming here, delivering and going home again taking our jobs? I don’t feel I am taking someone’s job when i go over the water each week.
allrighty:
running on johnny foreigner diesel at a fraction of what our hauliers are paying
Hardly their fault the diesel is cheaper over there. I’ve been running on nothing but ‘johnny foreigner’ fuel for years and I know lot’s of other UK hauliers doing the same.
allrighty:
Lets face facts, they need us more than we need them,
You sure about that?
allrighty:
how many UK trucks go to the Continent versus continental trucks coming here■■?
Around 25% of the trucks shipping through Dover are UK registered. Of course some of the UK registered ones will be driven by foreign drivers and some of the foreign registered ones by Brits, so I’m not sure of the figures based on the drivers nationality.
allrighty:
They will still be in a job, they are taking the trailer to the port, but not abusing our country.
I’m a driver from New Zealand and got my HGV in N.Z i swapped it for a UK one before the rules changed in '97 what upsets me is im living in a poor paying area of the country and some english employers are getting these substandard drivers in from the eastern block causing havoc on the roads and NOTHING is being done to stop it im brassed off and so are many so called drivers but no one sticks togeather anymore WHATS happining to us■■? we are brainwashed into being to politicly correct when it comes to non english speaking people and then your branded racist… well im sick of it and if things carry on the way its going im packing it in and going to work in a factory for the same money and less responceability. Both my grandfathers fought for England for the freedom of the greater nation and for what■■? no commonwelth anymore and its harder for me because if i lose my job i’m intitled to NOTHING but if i was from europe and a migrant i’d get a council house,food,car etc … ANY COMMENTS WELCOME THANKYOU
flyinkiwi:
:x I’m a driver from New Zealand and got my HGV in N.Z i swapped it for a UK one before the rules changed in '97 what upsets me is im living in a poor paying area of the country and some english employers are getting these substandard drivers in from the eastern block causing havoc on the roads and NOTHING is being done to stop it im brassed off and so are many so called drivers but no one sticks togeather anymore WHATS happining to us■■? we are brainwashed into being to politicly correct when it comes to non english speaking people and then your branded racist… well im sick of it and if things carry on the way its going im packing it in and going to work in a factory for the same money and less responceability. Both my grandfathers fought for England for the freedom of the greater nation and for what■■? no commonwelth anymore and its harder for me because if i lose my job i’m intitled to NOTHING but if i was from europe and a migrant i’d get a council house,food,car etc … ANY COMMENTS WELCOME THANKYOU
Give it time. Not all are at their computers on a Friday night. For many, it is their first night home, so are either spending quality time with their partners, or out on the pop.
Why am I here. The missus has been out working and I have a goodly supply of wine.
flyinkiwi:
no commonwelth anymore and its harder for me because if i lose my job i’m intitled to NOTHING but if i was from europe and a migrant i’d get a council house,food,car etc … ANY COMMENTS WELCOME THANKYOU
How do you mean you’d get nothing? Are you a permanent UK resident now? Do you pay N.I., etc?
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I’m not sure I agree on this one. To be fair if these people are not occupying these houses they can’t possibly be using the services and should not have to pay, for example if a whole street was owned by ‘second home’ owners the council would not have to send a bin lorry up there as there would be no rubbish to collect (providing they were all vacant of course). I know these holiday home owners push up prices, which is unfortunate, but I suppose thats the price you pay for living in a free market?[/quote]
They happen to be ( not ) occupying a house that is desperately needed by people who actually live and work in the area and who cannot afford to compete with outsiders on price. The bin lorry still has to go out as all the houses aren’t owned by people who choose not to live in them, the roads still need sweeping the library still has to open etc.
I re-iterate, if you can afford to own 2 houses you can afford to pay 2 council taxes.
As for living in a free society I personally would welcome any government saying that any house you own has to be occupied full time either by yourself or a paying tenant and if you have a house that remains empty other than whilst you are on holiday or away on business you get financially penalised. After all we are supposed to have a shortage of good housing.
Our government says those who come to this country contribute. They obviously haven’t met the drivers I have, bringing in their own cheaper fuel, undercutting us and then taking the proceeds home without having spent a bean. Yes, the way to go, if you’re a foreigner, but not if you’ve worked to build up the industry and are now being sold short!!
Our economy’s booming? Who are they trying to kid, I don’t buy it, anyway.
Come to think of it, with this 48hr ■■■■ that’s really 60 hrs I won’t be buying much either! And I’m asked to be ‘flexible’. Interpretation, sit on my arse at home waiting for the company to ring for me when my truck gets back! I don’t think so.
BLUEBOT:
Our government says those who come to this country contribute. They obviously haven’t met the drivers I have, bringing in their own cheaper fuel, undercutting us and then taking the proceeds home without having spent a bean. Yes, the way to go, if you’re a foreigner, but not if you’ve worked to build up the industry and are now being sold short!!
Our economy’s booming? Who are they trying to kid, I don’t buy it, anyway.
Come to think of it, with this 48hr [zb] that’s really 60 hrs I won’t be buying much either! And I’m asked to be ‘flexible’. Interpretation, sit on my arse at home waiting for the company to ring for me when my truck gets back! I don’t think so.
When morality comes up against profit, morality rarely wins!
i cant understand a goverment that raises taxes and wastes money left right and centre but yet lets foreign lorrys come here for free…
you have various schemes abroad with maut and vignoits ( have i spelt it wrong ) yet anyone can come here on there own diesal tip and reload and leave without paying a penny.
FOR ALL THOSE WHO DID NOT KNOW HERE ARE THREE POINTS TO CONSIDER:
1: WHEN IT WAS FORRBIDDEN TO HAVE MORE THAN 200LITERS OF FUEL IN YOUR TANK , they never STOPPED AND CHECKED THE LORRYS AT ALL WEITHER IT WAS A gb OR FROM another COUNTRY:
IN THE DOCKS AT DOVER;etc etc,
2; WHEN THE EU VINGETTE STARTED gb WAS INVITED TO JOIN IN THE govt SAID NO SO YOU SHOULD SPEAK TO YOUR mp AND TELL
HIM WHAT YOU WISH HIM TO DO;
ANOTHER POINT AND OTHERS WILL AGREE WITH ME EVERY FIRM
THAT GOES FROM gb TO EUROPE REFUELS THERE AND RUNS IN
gbON THAT FUEL OR GIVES SOME TO THE WAGONS IN THE FIRM THAT DO NOT TRAVEL ABROAD;
i dont know of any uk firm or owner driver that does europe that run on uk fuel my personel opinion is that the only firms cheap euro trucks effect are the firms that are already running at a loss or chasing work every day and if thats the case they shouldnt be in bussiness .if i ran a company that sent stuff abroad i would use the cheapest way possible as it improves my profit margin we shouldnt be blaming euro companies we should be blaming succesive govenments this country has had.we have the cheapest diesel in europe before tax is added
As we all know, the UK Government taxes heavily on Fuel, Booze and ■■■■.
You would have thought by now they might have got the hint with lost revenue because we all now nip over to France for ■■■■ and Beer/Wine etc, and certainly when I drive to Koln I make sure I am on fumes until I get over the other side and I make sure I’ve necked it on the way back.
Lost revenue is in billions, and all he does it put more tax on fuel ■■■■ and booze.
No wonder I’m looking forward to early retirment and serious consideration to emigrate.
Whilst I can agree with most comments on cheap foreign fuel and workers I think you’ll find that when the government talk about people who come here and contribute they are actually talking about legal immigrants who live here with their families and work in the many jobs that can’t be filled by indigenous inhabitants of the country, they are not actually talking about lorry drivers.
One should remember when having a grouse about the high fuel prices just who it was that introduced the automatic fuel price increases above the price of inflation. It was of course our good old friends the Tories, beware promises from the muppets that started it all.
Willy Gofar:
One should remember when having a grouse about the high fuel prices just who it was that introduced the automatic fuel price increases above the price of inflation. It was of course our good old friends the Tories, beware promises from the muppets that started it all.
Good point well made, Willy Gofar, lest we forget!
I’m a driver from New Zealand and got my HGV in N.Z i swapped it for a UK one before the rules changed in '97 what upsets me is im living in a poor paying area of the country and some english employers are getting these substandard drivers in from the eastern block causing havoc on the roads and NOTHING is being done to stop it im brassed off and so are many so called drivers but no one sticks togeather anymore WHATS happining to us■■? we are brainwashed into being to politicly correct when it comes to non english speaking people and then your branded racist… well im sick of it and if things carry on the way its going im packing it in and going to work in a factory for the same money and less responceability. Both my grandfathers fought for England for the freedom of the greater nation and for what■■? no commonwelth anymore and its harder for me because if i lose my job i’m intitled to NOTHING but if i was from europe and a migrant i’d get a council house,food,car etc … ANY COMMENTS WELCOME THANKYOU
, If you have problems with the industry this is the place to air them!