Well I have driven a Kenworth…
Biggest pile of junk I’ve ever been in, to emphasise the gravity of that statement, read my previous post on this here thread 
Also, just a thought, when we click on this thread, we’re supposed to be talking about continental lorries, the US and Australian markets have no relevance 
Oh and just to stick Mr Nut’s knife in a little further, KW in Britain 
Hino have sold 1000s more lorries than they ever did, so did Dennison, something to consider
newmercman:
Well I have driven a Kenworth…
Biggest pile of junk I’ve ever been in, to emphasise the gravity of that statement, read my previous post on this here thread
Also, just a thought, when we click on this thread, we’re supposed to be talking about continental lorries, the US and Australian markets have no relevance
Oh and just to stick Mr Nut’s knife in a little further, KW in Britain Hino have sold 1000s more lorries than they ever did, so did Dennison, something to consider
But you also said that the Pete was the best wagon for doing it’s job and then you said this about an Aerodyne although if it was me I’d prefer to have the bonnet on the front and someone needs to tell the europeans that ‘proper lorries’ have 2 drive axles just like a good old fashioned British 8 wheeler. 
viewtopic.php?f=35&t=41082&start=60#p474564
The reason why I’ve been making the point about US products and components is because ‘that’ would have been the only way that the British manufacturers could have made up for the differences between the rate of progression of the european manufacturers,based on the demands in the european foreign markets versus the British market and that seems to be exactly the idea which those British manufacturers used to try to make up for the lost ground.Unfortunately for them the British customers were still using 1950’s British thinking in their buying policies not 1970’s American thinking.Which probably explains why the Brits were speccing underpowered ■■■■■■■ and 7 Litre naturally aspirated Detroit powered wagons running at 32-38 t not 400 hp Detroit powered ones.
In this context ‘KW in Britain’ is a what might have been and that what might have been would have been a far better idea than what actually happened with the T45 etc etc and/or the what might have been of setting up a UK division of zb Hino.Which probably explains the success of the Australian truck manufacturing industry versus the British one when faced with the competition from Europe (or Japan). 
Why would anyone want to opperate a bonnetted lorry over here ,for a start they would be overlength and to be honest i dont see any benefit apart from a bit more space in the cab (which the yanks dont seem to have) ok some people may think they look good, god knows why ,we have a bonnetted Scania 6 wheeler on our fleet and no one wants it ,its now used as a spare til he sells it.As for the double drive statement doesnt Carryfast the power freak realise there`s a power loss when you have double drive combination
ramone:
Why would anyone want to opperate a bonnetted lorry over here ,for a start they would be overlength and to be honest i dont see any benefit apart from a bit more space in the cab (which the yanks dont seem to have) ok some people may think they look good, god knows why ,we have a bonnetted Scania 6 wheeler on our fleet and no one wants it ,its now used as a spare til he sells it.As for the double drive statement doesnt Carryfast the power freak realise there`s a power loss when you have double drive combination
I get threatened by the Mods for something that I said over 12 months ago and they put up with a cretin like “carryfast”,still, the site will only end up with what they desire,Gob ■■■■■■ like “carryfast”,obviously more entertaing, reading “verbage” from swill heads like him! Let them get on with it then as “intelligent” observation they sure as hell don’t want! Bewick.
Mr Nut is here and feels as though he can speak out.
From day one of Carryfast being on the forums, he has had his own opinions, yet it always boils down to bad luck, wrong place and guvnors not offering him what he feels he deserved.
Bewick was 20 when he had his own lorry, i was 18 and driving weekly to Germany in a 3 tonner.
I could say I never had the same luck as Dennis. I made my own luck and my own choices, some were good decisions, some were very poor, but I did have a go, somethings I regret. Many I am proud of.
You talk a good story from your magazines and internet research CF. I am quite surprised you can’t tell us of your experiences as a fleet owner!
ramone:
Why would anyone want to opperate a bonnetted lorry over here ,for a start they would be overlength and to be honest i dont see any benefit apart from a bit more space in the cab (which the yanks dont seem to have) ok some people may think they look good, god knows why ,we have a bonnetted Scania 6 wheeler on our fleet and no one wants it ,its now used as a spare til he sells it.As for the double drive statement doesnt Carryfast the power freak realise there`s a power loss when you have double drive combination
The comment concerning conventionals was meant in the American context because it’s stating the bleedin obvious that the things are’nt legally able to be coupled up to a 45 ft trailer in europe .
However having said that there’s probably some unfortunate drivers in europe who probably might have (or might have had) a better chance in the event of a big impact if they were (or had been) using a wagon with a zb great big engine,bonnet and chassis between them and the accident.
There’s a (slight) power loss etc in using double drive but it’s got it’s advantages which can outweigh it’s drawbacks.Although as has been said before it’s a point which some agree on (usually those who can understand why it’s been used here in the past and still is in many other places like the US etc) and others who don’t (usually in Scandinavia and Europe) so no reason for WW3 to break out over.
Bewick:
ramone:
Why would anyone want to opperate a bonnetted lorry over here ,for a start they would be overlength and to be honest i dont see any benefit apart from a bit more space in the cab (which the yanks dont seem to have) ok some people may think they look good, god knows why ,we have a bonnetted Scania 6 wheeler on our fleet and no one wants it ,its now used as a spare til he sells it.As for the double drive statement doesnt Carryfast the power freak realise there`s a power loss when you have double drive combination
I get threatened by the Mods for something that I said over 12 months ago and they put up with a cretin like “carryfast”,still, the site will only end up with what they desire,Gob [zb] like “carryfast”,obviously more entertaing, reading “verbage” from swill heads like him! Let them get on with it then as “intelligent” observation they sure as hell don’t want! Bewick.
What was it that the mods got upset with you about Bewick and what is it that you think they should be upset with about what I’ve said . 
Wheel Nut:
Mr Nut is here and feels as though he can speak out.
From day one of Carryfast being on the forums, he has had his own opinions, yet it always boils down to bad luck, wrong place and guvnors not offering him what he feels he deserved.
Bewick was 20 when he had his own lorry, i was 18 and driving weekly to Germany in a 3 tonner.
I could say I never had the same luck as Dennis. I made my own luck and my own choices, some were good decisions, some were very poor, but I did have a go, somethings I regret. Many I am proud of.
You talk a good story from your magazines and internet research CF. I am quite surprised you can’t tell us of your experiences as a fleet owner!
This topic has got nothing to do with any of the ‘luck’ that I’ve had or not had.It’s just that someone,for once,is (trying) to make an alternative case as to the reasons why the situation of those ‘much better’ ‘continental lorries’ took place other than the stereotypical fault of the unions and British workers at the time etc etc etc.
But I’ve never seen any magazines or internet searches that have ever made the same case that I’ve made although I’ve heard,more than once,those old typical ideas of blame it all on the unions and the workers etc etc blah blah.However if you know of any internet searches or magazines that would agree with my,personal,view then maybe you could let me know where you found them.
Carryfast:
Wheel Nut:
Mr Nut is here and feels as though he can speak out.
From day one of Carryfast being on the forums, he has had his own opinions, yet it always boils down to bad luck, wrong place and guvnors not offering him what he feels he deserved.
Bewick was 20 when he had his own lorry, i was 18 and driving weekly to Germany in a 3 tonner.
I could say I never had the same luck as Dennis. I made my own luck and my own choices, some were good decisions, some were very poor, but I did have a go, somethings I regret. Many I am proud of.
You talk a good story from your magazines and internet research CF. I am quite surprised you can’t tell us of your experiences as a fleet owner!
This topic has got nothing to do with any of the ‘luck’ that I’ve had or not had.It’s just that someone,for once,is (trying) to make an alternative case as to the reasons why the situation of those ‘much better’ ‘continental lorries’ took place other than the stereotypical fault of the unions and British workers at the time etc etc etc.
But I’ve never seen any magazines or internet searches that have ever made the same case that I’ve made although I’ve heard,more than once,those old typical ideas of blame it all on the unions and the workers etc etc blah blah.However if you know of any internet searches or magazines that would agree with my,personal,view then maybe you could let me know where you found them.
When your in the newsagents “carryfast” why don’t you look on either the Top shelf or kids comics section,I feel sure you will find something there that corresponds with your opinions as you seem to be in a majority of “one” on here with the garbage you pedal!! Bewick.
Bewick:
Carryfast:
Wheel Nut:
Mr Nut is here and feels as though he can speak out.
From day one of Carryfast being on the forums, he has had his own opinions, yet it always boils down to bad luck, wrong place and guvnors not offering him what he feels he deserved.
Bewick was 20 when he had his own lorry, i was 18 and driving weekly to Germany in a 3 tonner.
I could say I never had the same luck as Dennis. I made my own luck and my own choices, some were good decisions, some were very poor, but I did have a go, somethings I regret. Many I am proud of.
You talk a good story from your magazines and internet research CF. I am quite surprised you can’t tell us of your experiences as a fleet owner!
This topic has got nothing to do with any of the ‘luck’ that I’ve had or not had.It’s just that someone,for once,is (trying) to make an alternative case as to the reasons why the situation of those ‘much better’ ‘continental lorries’ took place other than the stereotypical fault of the unions and British workers at the time etc etc etc.
But I’ve never seen any magazines or internet searches that have ever made the same case that I’ve made although I’ve heard,more than once,those old typical ideas of blame it all on the unions and the workers etc etc blah blah.However if you know of any internet searches or magazines that would agree with my,personal,view then maybe you could let me know where you found them.
When your in the newsagents “carryfast” why don’t you look on either the Top shelf or kids comics section,I feel sure you will find something there that corresponds with your opinions as you seem to be in a majority of “one” on here with the garbage you pedal!! Bewick.
So another well reasoned argument then.
Carryfast, My Pete is, in my opinion, the best lorry I’ve had experience of at doing the job it was designed for, for running down the Interstates, going up and down mountains, driving in snow, ice at -40c and then going to +40c without modification, on its course, I reckon it’s the best horse, but it would be no good at different work over here, let alone in Europe.
I like the look of the old US Cabovers, the K100 Aerodyne is my second favourite, I like the 362 Pete more now, but I like the old 70s International COEs best, but I’m at that weird age, I would rather drive an F88 than an FH, rather have a 1600E than a Mondeo, I prefer Michelle Pfeiffer to Taylor Swift, although I wouldn’t say no to either
Wheel Nut:
amazon.com/dp/0679806636?tag … aninfab-20
Have you lost your library book?
So it’s in that book that we’ll find the only well reasoned contradictory evidence to all the union bashing Thatcherite bs which instead contains the actual reality of what happened during those make or break years that decided the fate of the uk truck manufacturing industry.
newmercman:
Carryfast, My Pete is, in my opinion, the best lorry I’ve had experience of at doing the job it was designed for, for running down the Interstates, going up and down mountains, driving in snow, ice at -40c and then going to +40c without modification, on its course, I reckon it’s the best horse, but it would be no good at different work over here, let alone in Europe.
I like the look of the old US Cabovers, the K100 Aerodyne is my second favourite, I like the 362 Pete more now, but I like the old 70s International COEs best, but I’m at that weird age, I would rather drive an F88 than an FH, rather have a 1600E than a Mondeo, I prefer Michelle Pfeiffer to Taylor Swift, although I wouldn’t say no to either
But there is also a line of thought that says it’s those yank trucks’ ability to handle just about anything that’s thrown at them,including the ability to haul zb great big heavy tanks through a war zone without too much trouble ,that also makes them able to handle anything that the european haulage environment has to offer with plenty of ability left over to spare, which is probably how that topic Kenworths in the UK got on here .It’s also probably why most,if not all,of those ex war surplus Diamond T’s found a home working for British and European operators after WW2 instead of ending up at the wrong end of a gas axe 
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Got to say though that I’ve always been at that age where it’s Taylor Swift (and Rosie Webster ) or nothing and the 1600 E is better than the Mondeo because the British WW2 generation who designed and built it put the drive wheels at the right end of the car which is why it was still driveable with the torque of the 3 Litre V6 that Jeff Uren decided to put in it .
Ah the Cortina Savage, that was the V6 one right?
The point you make about the Yank lorries has some merit, yes they were very different to the British and European lorries, but if they’d tried to get into the market at the same time as the Europeans, or just before, maybe Bewick would’ve gone for KWs instead of Volvo and Scania, instead they left it too late and the Europeans got their feet in the door.
The thing is, people look at American trucks and can’t see beyond the chrome and big bonnets, everyone has preconceived ideas about them being old fashioned etc, but in fact the engines that your Dafs, Volvos and Mercs will have in their next generation are all at work over here already, and have been since 2010, in some cases, US technology is way ahead of the Europeans, in some cases, it’s way behind, when you think that Daf, Volvo and Merc are worldwide manufacturers it puzzles me why they don’t take the best parts of their worldwide ranges and make one lorry that has the lot
For all Carryfast’s maniacal ramblings, I see where he’s coming from with the Yank Tanks, their philosophies are not too far removed from the ‘old school’ British way, but with a typical American twist, for instance, there are many aspects of my Peterbilt that contradict each other, it manages to be a ‘gaffer’s wagon’ and a ‘driver’s truck’ in one go, reliable, cheap to maintain, long lasting, comfortable, nice to look at, the US equivalent of an Atki Borderer with a Scania 111 cab
newmercman:
Ah the Cortina Savage, that was the V6 one right?
The point you make about the Yank lorries has some merit, yes they were very different to the British and European lorries, but if they’d tried to get into the market at the same time as the Europeans, or just before, maybe Bewick would’ve gone for KWs instead of Volvo and Scania, instead they left it too late and the Europeans got their feet in the door.
The thing is, people look at American trucks and can’t see beyond the chrome and big bonnets, everyone has preconceived ideas about them being old fashioned etc, but in fact the engines that your Dafs, Volvos and Mercs will have in their next generation are all at work over here already, and have been since 2010, in some cases, US technology is way ahead of the Europeans, in some cases, it’s way behind, when you think that Daf, Volvo and Merc are worldwide manufacturers it puzzles me why they don’t take the best parts of their worldwide ranges and make one lorry that has the lot
For all Carryfast’s maniacal ramblings, I see where he’s coming from with the Yank Tanks, their philosophies are not too far removed from the ‘old school’ British way, but with a typical American twist, for instance, there are many aspects of my Peterbilt that contradict each other, it manages to be a ‘gaffer’s wagon’ and a ‘driver’s truck’ in one go, reliable, cheap to maintain, long lasting, comfortable, nice to look at, the US equivalent of an Atki Borderer with a Scania 111 cab
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It took 20 pages to get to some agreement on the point that I’ve been trying to make and it’s surprising that both Wheelnut and Bewick seemed to miss that point being that they’ve both been owner drivers in their time and for all it’s faults that old TM 4400,and maybe some other Brit wagons were probably closer to that philosophy than the 111 and 140 was although what was really needed was for the British operators to have created the same type of demand for the development of those types of trucks far sooner at the same time as the Australians did .
In which case we’d have probably had something like a KW uk division turning out British built American spec trucks for the euro market before the Germans did it instead .But from this ‘old school’ Brit point of view it really needs that 18 speed fuller in it just like those Australian KW’s have probably been using behind their Detroit powered wagons for years .
CF when the continentals first ventured over here in the 60s the yanks would have no chance ( units too long and not enough steering lock ) as there was very little motor ways and a lot of the A 1 was single carriage way and very few city’s had much of a ring road so you went straight through the centre of them and this could be difficult at times as I was driving a 6 wheel unit and then you had all the firms on back streets with entrance’s designed for horse and cart’s to access so that is probably why they never ventured here. Not fit for purpose springs to mind.
cheers Johnnie
P S most units were only 9-6" wheel base so they were not over length