W.H.WILLIAMS (spennymoor)

Moga:
Taken at Stockton about 1984 Tyne Tees run

Hi Moga,
What a surprise. Thank you so much for taking the photo, keeping it all these years and putting it on trucknet.
I always wait with anticipation that another photo of one of our vans turns up, but in that case it’s more than likely I was driving that day.
My memory is strange that up till about 1980 or thereabouts I can remember in remarkable detail episodes in my life, but I cannot ever remember being in Stockton with either of the old vans. In fact I had no idea where the Tyne Tees Run started. I know it ended at South Shields because of the foolishness of the local authority referring to themselves as South Tyneside instead of being proud they represented South Shields, and me getting muddled up in a speech, not knowing what they meant with South Tyneside. Presumably the Tyne Tees run started at Stockton market Place? And we had been checking in at the start?
It’s like your past life passing before your eyes when a photo like that turns up. Once again Thank you, and wishing you a happy new year

Carl

With Christmas time it gave me time to think of my grandchildren, and more particularly of my grandfather and what he did for me.
He founded our business that has given me a time consuming hobby throughout my life, and in recent years reminiscing of the past, but he gave me so much more.
My grandfather, as anyone who can remember would know was a hard man, who had had to fight for his income and money, making him into a person who was once described as a person who thought as money as his god. To him I was unique being the only thing in his life where he could show any emotion. He loved me as his grandson, I knew it and so did everyone else.
It would have not been him to spoil me financially, which he didn’t with the one exception of ordering me a Rover 2000 at the 1963 motor show when this then revolutionary car was introduced to the public. It arrived in June 1964 in the colour I had chosen from paint samples supplied by Rover and leather interior I had chosen from swatches supplied, but even then he said it had been my Grandmother (Who also idolised me).
However my grandfather gave me most of all was something, that no one could ever buy was his time and effort to teach me everything he had learnt in his lifetime. Sometimes being very direct and nasty in doing so, but not meaning to be, it was just him. As an example one day, when I was about 10, going with him to Darlington, to take a car (Not his which always was immaculate and like new) to Cleveland Car Company to be repaired. In those days their garage was in Grange Road, in the centre of the town. When we got there, we were told we would have to leave it, he said to me ‘Go to the phone box and ring your dad and tell him to send someone to pick us up. (I don’t think he knew what busses were!) I went over to the phone box and unfortunately he was following shortly behind me. In those days the telephones took either threpenny pieces or sixpences. As I didn’t have a threpenny piece I put in a silver sixpence and pressed button ‘A’. He saw it, and as I came out I was told I was a spend thrift and went mad at me, which he continued to do until we got home and dad heard him still going on when we got out of the car and went mad at him for telling me off.
The other week at a car auction, when I was with my son. Paul, I was taking to a well know regular who said he had been going to Coopers car auctions, in Newcastle since he was twelve. A few days later I learnt he was five years younger than me and realised that I had been going, with my grandfather before he was born. Not only going to the auction, but being told how it worked and how to bid etc.
One of the strangest things was about at the age of 8 being taken by my grandfather to a butcher who had his own slaughter house to see a pig slaughtered and cut up. Today it might seem very strange but in my grandfather’s eyes it was his way of teaching me and toughen me up to face the this hard world we all occupy.
One of the most laughable things was he took me to the Circus at Darlington. I had been taken to several circuses over the years by my parents including Bertram Mill’s and Chipperfields, and on this occasion Billy Smarts circus was in town. Although not as big as the other two it was run by a larger than life character who was we known on the television, so off my grandfather and me, went to Darlington, in his Rover to see Billy Smart’s circus, except it was about 10 o’clock in the morning, and the early show was on about 4-00PM. We went first of all round the caravans, with my grandfather being particularly interested in which was Billy Smarts talking to the owners as we passed along the row of vans and caravans until we came to the biggest and most ornate. Unfortunately Billy Smart was not in residence or I’m sure he would have got us invited in. Next port of call was the big top and in we went. The circus acts were rehearsing and trying out new ideas and there we were in the middle, with trapeze artists jumping mid-air and being court by each other, above our heads, ponies being ridden round between our feet and jugglers and clowns perfecting their act. My grandfather walking along and talking to each as he passed and asking them questions which they freely answered. Who they thought he was I will never know but he had a personality to pull it off so they will have thought they were speaking to someone very important. He no doubt had deliberately chosen to go when he didn’t have to pay, but I saw the circus better than anyone attending and sitting in a crowded big top.
Well granda, I hope you are given a minute or so off stoking the fire down there so you can listen. ‘Thank you for all you taught me, I learnt more from you that anyone could ever hope to learn at school and any university, and it won’t be too long now till I come down to join you, and perhaps Lucifer might give you a little time off whilst he makes me do your share for a while’.
In the mean time I only hope I can be 10% as good a grandfather

You are welcome Carl.

Watching the Agatha Christie Miss Marple play the other night and seeing Wendy Craig (How she has aged) reminded me of her family firm D.G. Craig and Sons, which was run by her brother Alister. Craig’s were based in Harris Street Darlington and eventually built a new warehouse, workshops etc in McMillan Road next to the newly built Test Station.
Craigs were fortunate in securing the work from Paton and Baldwin wool factory in Darlington and this formed the main nucleus of their work. Although they did a few removals as all their vans were removal vans we never came into direct competition with them, although I must admit we wouldn’t have minded the Paton and Baldwin work that was very significant as they went into the sixties and through into the seventies. I can remember when they ran ‘O’ model Bedfords and their vans were a very regular sight on the A1
I did have the opportunity to meet Alister when we both went on a two day trip, at the expense of Saviem (Renault) when we went round their factory in Normandy. However neighter of us must have been too impressed as Saviem vehicles never entered either fleet.
In the mid seventies Paton and Baldwin decided to move out of Darlington and although the process took several years Craigs must have felt the pinch as Alister employed David Dalrymple as a removal estimator and a representative going round factories trying to get work for their vans, including visiting us on a regular basis to see if we could offer any sub-contract work. Eventually quite sudden he decided to close down, and as David Dalrymple was by that time well known to us we employed him in a similar position. We took over the remainder of the Patton And Baldwin work which by that time was nothing to ‘write home about’ and most of the other regular work that Craig’s had been doing, including Cossak Carpets from Northallerton.
Shortly after the closure we got a telephone call from Tony Walker, from Thornaby, telling us he had bought Craig’s former fleet, and would we be interested in buying the vans off him. When dad and I went their was a brand new Seddon 16 ton gvw Boxvan unregistered, two Seddon 13-4s (a Luton and a boxvan with bodies by Marsden) about two years old and a Commer Commando luton by Marsden which we bought. Also there were four older style Commers with Marsden Lutons about 6 years old which seemed in good condition, which dad said were too old for us. Tony Walker was almost prepared to throw them in with what we bought, and I’m sure we could have got them for a song, but sadly dad was not persuaded. I personally was sad to see the demise of D.G. Craig and sons and always thought the sight of the vans on the road was sadly missed. I wonder how many on here remember seeing them passing on the road.

Hi Carl

In the 60’s / early 70’s there was a breeze block plant at Sacriston that was owned by the Craig family. I was told that they were related to the actress, do you know if that is correct??

tyneside:
Hi Carl

In the 60’s / early 70’s there was a breeze block plant at Sacriston that was owned by the Craig family. I was told that they were related to the actress, do you know if that is correct??

Hello Tyneside, I used to take Whinstone Dust there from Tilcons at Kirkwhelpington Quarry & one of their drivers said that they were related, ?, Barnfarther & Wilkes had a few tippers & took the dust in at the same time, Regards Larry.

Hi Carl,
Have just read your post re Wendy Craig , the previous post which said that she was related to Craigs of Sacriston was correct , indeed she was born in Sacriston( or Seggeston as the locals used to call it). With regard to looking old I believe that she will be about 80 year old .
Happy New Year when it arrives and don’t have too much Falling Down Liquid.
Regards Barrie.

Barrie Hindmarch:
Hi Carl,
Have just read your post re Wendy Craig , the previous post which said that she was related to Craigs of Sacriston was correct , indeed she was born in Sacriston( or Seggeston as the locals used to call it). With regard to looking old I believe that she will be about 80 year old .
Happy New Year when it arrives and don’t have too much Falling Down Liquid.
Regards Barrie.

Hi Barrie, Laurence and Tyneside,
I remember reading in the Northern Echo years ago that she was born in Sacriston, before her family moved to Darlington, probably when her father started carrying wool for Patons and Baldwin. I think the business at Sacriston was run by cousins by all accounts and I remember their tippers running about.

She started her career in acting with the Charles Simon repretary company, presumably when she was very young. My mother and father used to go to Darlington, before I was born each week to see plays and probably saw her as a young girl. Apparently the repretary company was very good and Charles Simon went on to be cast as Doctor Dale in Mrs Dales Diary as well as becoming a well known actor on the West End and TV, appearing in things like Midsummer Murders when he was almost ninety.

I liked Darlington when Craigs, Haward & Robinson and Cracknells vans were running about. It seems to me that things today are so boring.
Craigs had quite a few vans built by that body builder you used to use, Barrie in Darlington

Carl

hI Carl,there is a photo of one of your trucks on ebay

JAKEY:
hI Carl,there is a photo of one of your trucks on ebay

Hi thanks Jakey

Its already one of mine and I put it on here a month or so ago. Thanks I keep hoping to see more ‘new ones’

Best wishes and hoping 2014 brings a better time for your trade

Carl

Thinking back to when Phil Reilly’s visit just before Christmas, our talking got back to the days when we worked together at W.H.Williams.

When we buit our depot at Green Lane Industrial Estate it was what they now call ‘A Green Field Site’. In so much that building of any sort had never existed there before. After the Battle of Nevilles Cross on the outskirts of Durham between the Scottish and English Forces in the 14th or 15th century the fighting progressed to an area described as Butcher Race more or less where our premises were to build. The English had sent a General called Race and he had overseen the butchering of the Scottish Army.

When we built the first phase of the development because of an agreement we were made to agree to by Durham County Council and Sedgefield District Council who were at that time the owners of the land we had to employ Architects, Quantity and Quality surveyors and Structual Engineers together with an approved Main Contractor as a condition of the sale of the land to us. A reletivly simple job was made more complicated by their silly rules, like breaking a nut with a sledge hammer, but as we had sought a suitable site for about five years and planning being turned down several times the councils considered they were doing us a favour by allowing us, a transport company move into what they considered was Durham County’s premier industrial estate that was to be a show piece illustrating the ‘New North East’.

A company called Wearmouth Construction was appointed by us to carry out the development, and building. Obviously part of that work was securing the site with aecurity fencing, gates etc and Wearmouth appointed a company from Manchester to carry out this work, Although Wearmouth had quality engineers appointed by us supervising and inspecting their work I was there several times a day as was my dad and we both saw the fencing gang of six, what in those days would be described as Irish Navies come along to do the work.

Phil was one of that gang, and we watched as the fence as it progressed was a much better illustrater of the area of land we had bought than ever you could find on any plans. As I say probably since the world was formed the most any of the earth had been moved was the debth of a farmer’s plough and here were these six Irishmen, who had agreed and were paid a fix price by the fencing contractors for their work digging with picks and shouvells making the deep holes to put the fence posts in and then mixing by hand the concrete to fix them in place. What they encounted was solid stone in most places and the work was horsework and took about three to four weeks.

On another thread people are arguing about the RTITB training levies MOTEC etc and it was this time when this was going on and as part of our agreed training plan that got us out of paying the levy and obtaining quite lucrative grants I had agreed to train 24 people who had no driving licence up to HGV class three over a twelve month period, and Dad had asked these hard working Irish where they were going after they finnished our work. It was then agreed that Phil Reilly and another would join us as trainee drivers and go through our training course.

In the event Phil passed his car licence and failed his HGV, and stayed with us as a porter, then small van driver to eventually take up the possition of Removals Warehouse Manager (As opposed to Mail Order Warehouse Manager.)

Phil is now 67 and retired, He was telling me the story that his next door neighbour’s patio needed relaying and he agreed he would do it for her. Her neighbour’s parner was asking if he was getting Readymix, as there was a largish area to concrete. ‘No’ said Phil. ‘I will see to it’ He went to a local builders merchant and collected some gravel, sand and cement and was then asked when was the concrete mixer coming. ‘Its here already’ he said and when asked more he explained that he was the concrete mixer.

Watching recently six men standing as a machine was gradualy lowering paving stones in place as they ‘ made the IMPROVEMENTS! to Bishop Auckland market place’ I couldn’t help but think to myself that a good pavier would have laid twice as much on his own. Like on this thread says about roping and sheeting No one could do it today. What has gone wrong no one works anymore,

As I was saying when Phil called our conversation inevitably got onto our trip when we brought a removal back from Naples with a Leyland 350FG luton van, absolutly full and grossly overloaded.

I reminded him of his statement as we were passing through Belgium, on our outward journey and Phil saying ‘See that house up there’ as we passed a road with a row of houses ‘We moved them in there’

Phil remembered and said ‘Yes it was me and Billy Robinson’

Billy Robinson worked for us about 25 years or so, and as anyone who knew him would recall him as a bit of a character.and I remember him best for driving HUP329H, a Bedford TK with a 1200 cu ft luton body built by Adams and Gibbon in their own body shop. Adams and Gibbons were not good bodybuilders and when they took over Jakey Robsons and their excellent Northern Assemblies were happy to transfer any body work through this workshop. Over the years we had strengthened and repaired the body on HUP329H and it survived in the fleet in an acceptable condition.

I could never remember Billy Robinson going overseas with a removal, but obviously he had on this occasion. Also we usually sent the newest vehicles in the fleet and the only reason must have been because of the smaller size of HUP, it would save ferry fees and Billy must have asked to go for a change of scenery.

Billy with HUP329H usually only did local removals, often two a day, or removals that he could do there and back within a day. He worked for us until his 65th birthday and retired, only to come back after about a week or so saying he was bored and could he carry on working.

Billy carried on till he was about 70. No mean feet as he was doing probably, with local removals some of the heaviest work we did.

It was at this stage when his wife had died he decided to move to Tasmania to live with his son.

For many years now I had helped my mother and Father with their Christmas cards and one of the first to be sent was Billies as it had to be in Tasmania before Christmas and every year one returned from Billy. About six or seven years ago no card returned and we heard that Billy had died at the age of 96.

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Hi Karl I hope you and your family had a good new year , its a sad indictment of todays work ethic when a job of work could be done better,cheaper and last a lot longer than we can do it today.with all the modern machinery one working the other four or five looking forward to going home for a rest ! A couple of years ago the council came to mend a pothole in our street ,they never got out of the van . the passenger lent out and handfilled the hole , the driver then proceeded to run over it a few times before driving off job well done! It lasted a couple of weeks.

jeffrey ellener:
Hi Karl I hope you and your family had a good new year , its a sad indictment of todays work ethic when a job of work could be done better,cheaper and last a lot longer than we can do it today.with all the modern machinery one working the other four or five looking forward to going home for a rest ! A couple of years ago the council came to mend a pothole in our street ,they never got out of the van . the passenger lent out and handfilled the hole , the driver then proceeded to run over it a few times before driving off job well done! It lasted a couple of weeks.

Hi Jeffrey

I think that is what is wrong with life today. Too much Health and Safety, and too little common sense. Also today noone are allowed to improvise and think for themselves. When I think back to things I have seen in our business, like the way we moved things like massive safes weighing almost a ton etc. We would have been sent to jail under Health and Safety laws, but in reality our staff knew what they were doing and took care to see they were safe. That’s not allowed today.

By the way how many people agree with me, I wonder, that the reason the road surfaces are breaking up causing many of these pot holes in the road is simply that they are using too little tar. Someone, somewhere obviously thinks that cutting back on the use of tar is good for the enviroment perhaps.

Carl

On the Blood Sweat (Removals thread) I just posted a photo of a 6 Wheeler Bedford Pantechnicon (P reg) which would have been fitted with the 466 engine. Gauntlet did almost entirely continental work mostly to Portugal and wondering what they were carrying to need a second rear axle I said that I would not have been using a Bedford for continental work with a 466 engine carrying the weight needed for a 6 wheeler.

I might sound a little hypocrytical as we ran Bedfords on continental removals but they didn’t carry much weight and were just occasional use. Certainly our TM tractor units were fitted with the 500 cu in engine, and they realistically were underpowered.

Carl,You are so wrong about potholes and lack of tar.Most pot holes reappear because they were not filled in properly in the first place.

leylandlover:
Carl,You are so wrong about potholes and lack of tar.Most pot holes reappear because they were not filled in properly in the first place.

Hi Leylandlover,

Quite probably, but I bet an engineer visited the site, at great expense, then an estimator to assess the materials required and labour costs. Years ago a (by todays standards) poorly educated workman, who had the common sense to do the job would turn up and do the job correctly ata fraction of the cost.

Carl

Hi Carl.
I read with interest on previous posts as to why simple tasks are now becoming more difficult and labour intensive when performed by local authority labour. As you may or not remember I live in Green Lane opposite the

Hi Carl.
I read with interest on previous posts as to why simple tasks are now becoming more difficult and labour intensive when performed by local authority labour. As you may or not remember I live in Green Lane opposite the Holy of Holy’s and recently witnessed a sight which would have made your dad turn in his grave. It took 8 men and 3 Transits 3 hours to cut the hedge outside of the offices . A nd we wonder why the Government are making cuts !

Regards Barrie

Good day Carl, I’ve just been looking through u tube there’s a film on there bygone spennymoor in four short parts there is i pic of some of your fleet on film four and i think your yard on the ind estate on film three i think , just put in old spennymoor film it should come up . hope you enjoy them.regards Jeff.