tallyman:
The posts from Weeto and Wheel Nut with the email/letter from VOSA both have the same wording concerning the difference between being sent by an employer and doing it off your own bat, so it’s fair to assume that this is taken from their own guidelines and seems definitive enough for me.
The post from Weeto was stolen from me. I am Mr M **** S****
Sally Cranney gave me that information by email and letter, Mike Penning wrote separately to me with the same information. He signed the letter and it is date stamped on a Government letterhead. I have it hanging proudly next to both my operators CPC certificates along with various other communiques from my elected leaders.
If it comes to the crunch and I have a roadside stop with a VOSA operative. I am fairly certain that two signed documents from head office will be of more use than a post from Weeto who after much asking has still failed to come up with a plausible reason why they are wrong.
Mike C may be a moderator but I doubt VOSA will take much notice either if I produce my letter
The Health and safety at work act states that steel toe capped boots must be worn at work.
Paintballing must be treated as work if the driver is instructed to attend the fun day as part of their job. If a couple of drivers decide to go paintballing on a weekend or during the week, it is counted as rest.
The employer has laid on a bus to go paintballing on a weekend, the drivers don’t have to join in, those that do will not get paid. Are They At Work? Do they have to wear steel toe capped boots?
It doesn’t really matter who paid for the drivers boots.
tallyman:
The posts from Weeto and Wheel Nut with the email/letter from VOSA both have the same wording concerning the difference between being sent by an employer and doing it off your own bat, so it’s fair to assume that this is taken from their own guidelines and seems definitive enough for me.
The post from Weeto was stolen from me. I am Mr M **** S****
Sally Cranney gave me that information by email and letter, Mike Penning wrote separately to me with the same information. He signed the letter and it is date stamped on a Government letterhead. I have it hanging proudly next to both my operators CPC certificates along with various other communiques from my elected leaders.
If it comes to the crunch and I have a roadside stop with a VOSA operative. I am fairly certain that two signed documents from head office will be of more use than a post from Weeto who after much asking has still failed to come up with a plausible reason why they are wrong.
Mike C may be a moderator but I doubt VOSA will take much notice either if I produce my letter
Your right there mr nut, I havn’t posted anything to prove it isn’t other work.
BUT, what I did do was point out the FACT that the regulation being banded about was in fact a load of tosh, and doesn’t affect a driver in this situation.
After 4 pages of discussion, a letter appears on my OP, basically saying, what I was saying all along,
I can’t produce something that doesn’t exist, but I do understand how regulations and subsections work, unlike a Certian VOSA man from 2002, and every one else who believed his B/S.
weeto:
After 4 pages of discussion, a letter appears on my OP, basically saying, what I was saying all along,
I can’t produce something that doesn’t exist, but I do understand how regulations and subsections work, unlike a Certian VOSA man from 2002, and every one else who believed his B/S.
You have me at a loss now. I wasn’t around in 2002, mind you, nor was the Driver CPC or Jaupt
AlexWignall:
Mind you, I could of joined ESL and get it all laid on for free (and still winge about night out and dinner money) Haha W
Constructive criticism, from drivers to managers and driver trainers at Esl ( who DON’T LISTEN ) to the very same drivers who’ve done ADR and other courses on a SATURDAY and finished early enough to fulfil a full weekend rest period ( if NEEDED ) before we shipped back out to germany! God forbid ANY ESL DRIVER WHO WHINGES, especially ones with a bit of experience and BRAINS to stay legal within the law, to help the COMPANY! if it ain’t broken, DON’T FIX IT!
weeto:
After 4 pages of discussion, a letter appears on my OP, basically saying, what I was saying all along,
I can’t produce something that doesn’t exist, but I do understand how regulations and subsections work, unlike a Certian VOSA man from 2002, and every one else who believed his B/S.
You have me at a loss now. I wasn’t around in 2002, mind you, nor was the Driver CPC or Jaupt
No but the regulation was, and it could have been 2005.
In any case it started with that VOSA man, and his interpretation, its all in my other thread.
All I am saying is, there is nothing in law to say doing training on your day of is classed as other work, when done off your own back,even though some think it is because of a MMTM SYNDROME!
I think your just being a ■■■ to be honest.
AlexWignall:
Mind you, I could of joined ESL and get it all laid on for free (and still winge about night out and dinner money) Haha W
Constructive criticism, from drivers to managers and driver trainers at Esl ( who DON’T LISTEN ) to the very same drivers who’ve done ADR and other courses on a SATURDAY and finished early enough to fulfil a full weekend rest period ( if NEEDED ) before we shipped back out to germany! God forbid ANY ESL DRIVER WHO WHINGES, especially ones with a bit of experience and BRAINS to stay legal within the law, to help the COMPANY! if it ain’t broken, DON’T FIX IT!
Was ‘taking yourself a bit too seriously’ part of your course…?
weeto:
After 4 pages of discussion, a letter appears on my OP, basically saying, what I was saying all along,
I can’t produce something that doesn’t exist, but I do understand how regulations and subsections work, unlike a Certian VOSA man from 2002, and every one else who believed his B/S.
You have me at a loss now. I wasn’t around in 2002, mind you, nor was the Driver CPC or Jaupt
No but the regulation was, and it could have been 2005.
In any case it started with that VOSA man, and his interpretation, its all in my other thread.
All I am saying is, there is nothing in law to say doing training on your day of isn’t classed as other work, even though some think it is because of a MMTM SYNDROME!
I think your just being a ■■■ to be honest.
There is no thinking about it with you!
Stop quoting regulation and subsection if you do not know which one you are quoting. The regulation you are looking for is EC 2003/59 which came into being on the 15th July 2003
You are correct that there is nothing in that document that says doing training on your day off is classed as other work, nor is there anything in it that says you must wear green socks whilst in the classroom.
You cannot prove a negative and the law says what you cannot do, not the opposite.
weeto:
After 4 pages of discussion, a letter appears on my OP, basically saying, what I was saying all along,
I can’t produce something that doesn’t exist, but I do understand how regulations and subsections work, unlike a Certian VOSA man from 2002, and every one else who believed his B/S.
You have me at a loss now. I wasn’t around in 2002, mind you, nor was the Driver CPC or Jaupt
No but the regulation was, and it could have been 2005.
In any case it started with that VOSA man, and his interpretation, its all in my other thread.
All I am saying is, there is nothing in law to say doing training on your day of isn’t classed as other work, even though some think it is because of a MMTM SYNDROME!
I think your just being a ■■■ to be honest.
There is no thinking about it with you!
Stop quoting regulation and subsection if you do not know which one you are quoting. The regulation you are looking for is EC 2003/59 which came into being on the 15th July 2003
You are correct that there is nothing in that document that says doing training on your day off is classed as other work, nor is there anything in it that says you must wear green socks whilst in the classroom.
You cannot prove a negative and the law says what you cannot do, not the opposite.
Trainer in Transport
So on what evidence are these other poster using to say it is other work then?
This all stemmed from me… I’m really sorry lol I was only really trying to play devils advocate but I got a little caught up and maybe pushed this to far. I am however if I have time tomorrow (I doubt I will as I’m working on site) pop into vosa again to see if they are open and can shed some light for me
206doorman:
My company is paying for the cpc.
It’s being done on Saturdays.
I’m choosing to go, company did not insist.
I’m not being paid for attending.
So it’s rest.
I think some of us are just a little anally-retentive.
206doorman:
My company is paying for the cpc.
It’s being done on Saturdays.
I’m choosing to go, company did not insist.
I’m not being paid for attending.
So it’s rest.
I think some of us are just a little anally-retentive.
I’m doing the above for my drivers, I’m paying the course. I’m letting them book it as other work though, not that they will lol
Like you they don’t have to go, it’s up to them, it’s just an offer, I think the courses I have chose will benefit them, hiab refreshers, health and safety, digi Tacho ect.
On my last visit to do the DCPC I am sure the I was told that it would not count as work or any thing else.I think it should count as work because if you dont have it you can not work.
If one is invited along to one of these VOSA seminars does this count as work,I would go along just because I am intrested ,but not if it counted as work.
I DON’T! but if you can’t help them, then you CAN’T help them!