VOSA & the DCPC

ibson:

Harry Monk:
‘Working time’ shall mean:

  1. in the case of mobile workers: the time from the beginning
    to the end of work, during which the mobile
    worker is at his workstation, at the disposal of the
    employer and exercising his functions or activities, that
    is to say:
    – the time devoted to all road transport activities.
    These activities are, in particular, the following:
    (i) driving;
    (ii) loading and unloading;
    (iii) assisting passengers boarding and disembarking
    from the vehicle;
    (iv) cleaning and technical maintenance;
    (v) all other work intended to ensure the safety of
    the vehicle, its cargo and passengers or to fulfil
    the legal or regulatory obligations directly
    linked to the specific transport operation under
    way, including monitoring of loading and
    unloading, administrative formalities with
    police, customs, immigration officers etc.

So legally as I don’t need the DCPC until 2014, I’m free to do it in my own time for now.

Don’t know why this regulation keeps popping there is nothing in it to affect a driver on a weekly rest period!

  1. in the case of mobile workers: the time from the beginning
    to the end of work, during which the mobile
    worker is at his workstation, at the disposal of the
    employer and exercising his functions or activities, that
    is to say:

Harry Monk:

ibson:
So legally as I don’t need the DCPC until 2014, I’m free to do it in my own time for now.

You are as far as I’m concerned, but then I’m not VOSA. :wink:

Well I’m sure vosa would have something to say about it…

I have already done mine… I just really wanted to iron out the creases in that stubborn legislation! If my guys want to book it as other work they are welcome, they will never have 2 weekends in a row and they are self funding. I got the rest of mine through after signing of units on my TM Cpc.

IT COUNTS AS ■■■■■■■ WORK! END OF!

weeto:

ibson:

Harry Monk:
‘Working time’ shall mean:

  1. in the case of mobile workers: the time from the beginning
    to the end of work, during which the mobile
    worker is at his workstation, at the disposal of the
    employer and exercising his functions or activities, that
    is to say:
    – the time devoted to all road transport activities.
    These activities are, in particular, the following:
    (i) driving;
    (ii) loading and unloading;
    (iii) assisting passengers boarding and disembarking
    from the vehicle;
    (iv) cleaning and technical maintenance;
    (v) all other work intended to ensure the safety of
    the vehicle, its cargo and passengers or to fulfil
    the legal or regulatory obligations directly
    linked to the specific transport operation under
    way, including monitoring of loading and
    unloading, administrative formalities with
    police, customs, immigration officers etc.

So legally as I don’t need the DCPC until 2014, I’m free to do it in my own time for now.

So, were in this paragraph, does it include drivers on a weekly rest period?

  1. in the case of mobile workers: the time from the beginning
    to the end of work, during which the mobile
    worker is at his workstation, at the disposal of the
    employer and exercising his functions or activities, that
    is to say:

It doesn’t, so it’s still fine as you’re not at the disposal of your employer. Is that what your getting at?

I would refer the Learned Gentleman to my previous post…

if, and that’s a [zb]ing big IF i do the dcpc, then i will be free to dispose of my time.
i will be fast asleep. and if they think it’s other work, then the jury can decide.

FFS, I give up… :unamused:

ibson:

weeto:

ibson:

Harry Monk:
‘Working time’ shall mean:

  1. in the case of mobile workers: the time from the beginning
    to the end of work, during which the mobile
    worker is at his workstation, at the disposal of the
    employer and exercising his functions or activities, that
    is to say:
    – the time devoted to all road transport activities.
    These activities are, in particular, the following:
    (i) driving;
    (ii) loading and unloading;
    (iii) assisting passengers boarding and disembarking
    from the vehicle;
    (iv) cleaning and technical maintenance;
    (v) all other work intended to ensure the safety of
    the vehicle, its cargo and passengers or to fulfil
    the legal or regulatory obligations directly
    linked to the specific transport operation under
    way, including monitoring of loading and
    unloading, administrative formalities with
    police, customs, immigration officers etc.

So legally as I don’t need the DCPC until 2014, I’m free to do it in my own time for now.

So, were in this paragraph, does it include drivers on a weekly rest period?

  1. in the case of mobile workers: the time from the beginning
    to the end of work, during which the mobile
    worker is at his workstation, at the disposal of the
    employer and exercising his functions or activities, that
    is to say:

It doesn’t, so it’s still fine as you’re not at the disposal of your employer. Is that what your getting at?

Exactly, any sub-sections to this regulation, DO NOT affect a driver on a weekly rest period.

ibson:
It doesn’t, so it’s still fine as you’re not at the disposal of your employer. Is that what your getting at?

Let’s re-visit the very first post in this thread…

VOSA said,“be careful doing that, it counts as your weekly working hours, and you still need the required weekly rest”.

The Sarge:
FFS, I give up… :unamused:

Good idea.

I personally think, if your company is not asking you to do it, you just want to, then its not other work, it’s you disposing of your time freely.

degsy4wheels:
This may have been brought up before, but if not then your views would be of interest. On a recent routine pull by VOSA, they asked if i had done my DCPC, i said not yet, but the firm were looking at doing it on a Saturday. VOSA said,“be careful doing that, it counts as your weekly working hours, and you still need the required weekly rest”.
Not heard that before.

Sorry Harry, didn’t notice your post. G’nite :slight_smile:

The Sarge:

degsy4wheels:
This may have been brought up before, but if not then your views would be of interest. On a recent routine pull by VOSA, they asked if i had done my DCPC, i said not yet, but the firm were looking at doing it on a Saturday. VOSA said,“be careful doing that, it counts as your weekly working hours, and you still need the required weekly rest”.
Not heard that before.

He did say that yes… In reply to the chap telling him the FIRM were looking at putting them through on Saturdays, thanks for pointing that out. And in his case it will be other work.

ibson:
I personally think, if your company is not asking you to do it, you just want to, then its not other work, it’s you disposing of your time freely.

It’s simply really ^

Night.

You just can’t educate pork, can you? Apologies if you are of the Muslim or Jewish faith. G’nite.

ibson:
I personally think, if your company is not asking you to do it, you just want to, then its not other work, it’s you disposing of your time freely.

How can you say such a thing if you yourself have taken the Operator’s CPC? The whole point of the Operator’s CPC is to train you in road transport law. All you are doing is putting your fingers in your ears and saying “La la la, I can’t hear you”.

ibson:
I drive a lot of plant machinery for example, we do use telehandlers but I don’t have a licence,

That’s one very big hole your digging if it goes t#ts up :unamused:

The Sarge:
You just can’t educate pork, can you? Apologies if you are of the Muslim or Jewish faith. G’nite.

Haha so so true! I just don’t get what you rant grasping!

Never mind aye.

speedyguy:

ibson:
I drive a lot of plant machinery for example, we do use telehandlers but I don’t have a licence,

That’s one very big hole your digging if it goes t#ts up :unamused:

I meant the company’s as them and some people do have licences but I don’t and don’t drive them.