mataos32:
Its the same here in sussex. We’ve been told that the blocks need to be against the headboard. We have trouble with our axle weights if we do that(wagon and drag). So we have been told to use pallets to pack out the blocks. We have corner boards. I use ten corner boards and 5 straps to secure 19 packs. My boss showed a photo of one of our trucks netted and strapped like this to the police and vosa and has letters from both saying its an acceptable load. When i go in ibstock down here i only have to strap every fourth pack. That will probably change soon though. I always strap the grab. One of my mates on wincanton got held at the dartford toll booths because they couldnt see his strap over the grab. They let him go once they checked it out.
and how much longer does it take ■■
mataos32:
Its the same here in sussex. We’ve been told that the blocks need to be against the headboard. We have trouble with our axle weights if we do that(wagon and drag). So we have been told to use pallets to pack out the blocks. We have corner boards. I use ten corner boards and 5 straps to secure 19 packs. My boss showed a photo of one of our trucks netted and strapped like this to the police and vosa and has letters from both saying its an acceptable load. When i go in ibstock down here i only have to strap every fourth pack. That will probably change soon though. I always strap the grab. One of my mates on wincanton got held at the dartford toll booths because they couldnt see his strap over the grab. They let him go once they checked it out.
we are doing the same on our draw bars but just front and back with the grab strapped down is enough for sure . but hey doing the middle packs with corner boards is only one extra strap.
nick2008:
chester1:
nick2008:
lets get things straight here …
Its always been a legal requirement to secure your load to the trailer just that over the years some have deemed it safe not to , that was till some smart arse went 30 round a round about and either lost or had a load move … just get on with how it should have been done all them years ago when Fred to 2 hrs to do the job but Bert did it in 1.5 hrs because he didn’t rope or strap it and started getting paid by the job and then by job an knock …do it right take ur time = do less boss will then have to pay by the hour
How is doing less an incentive to pay you by the hour if any thing it will work the other way
er if you paid by the hour you do 2 trips not 3 take it steady like the old days not superfastasflatoutyou’llgettwiceasmuchdoneforthesamemoneyworkingharder
Shurly by you doing less work is more of an incentive to keep you on a load bonus rather than put you on an hourly rate . why will he want to pay you more for doing less. Don’t get me wrong im paid by the hour and I have to strap every load but it only adds 15 mins at each end of the job
chester1:
nick2008:
chester1:
nick2008:
lets get things straight here …
Its always been a legal requirement to secure your load to the trailer just that over the years some have deemed it safe not to , that was till some smart arse went 30 round a round about and either lost or had a load move … just get on with how it should have been done all them years ago when Fred to 2 hrs to do the job but Bert did it in 1.5 hrs because he didn’t rope or strap it and started getting paid by the job and then by job an knock …do it right take ur time = do less boss will then have to pay by the hour
How is doing less an incentive to pay you by the hour if any thing it will work the other way
er if you paid by the hour you do 2 trips not 3 take it steady like the old days not superfastasflatoutyou’llgettwiceasmuchdoneforthesamemoneyworkingharder
Shurly by you doing less work is more of an incentive to keep you on a load bonus rather than put you on an hourly rate . why will he want to pay you more for doing less. Don’t get me wrong im paid by the hour and I have to strap every load but it only adds 15 mins at each end of the job
think you’ll find that load bonus or paying by load is illegal
!987/88 I hauled bricks from MK to Bridgewater, we have very light fly sheets with elastic bungees crossed front and back, not a single rope or strap and never lost a single brick. If we had a return load it would be shrink wrapped antique bricks loaded front to back with one or two pallets on top over the leading axle of the trailer, those top pallets were the only ones to be strapped, the rest was un- covered and un roped. Never got stopped or lost a block.
Your load isn’t gonna move.
Saw a block truck on the hard shoulder of the M62 last week. His load was a few yards behind and he was manually re-stacking them back on.
Pat Hasler:
!987/88 I hauled bricks from MK to Bridgewater, we have very light fly sheets with elastic bungees crossed front and back, not a single rope or strap and never lost a single brick. If we had a return load it would be shrink wrapped antique bricks loaded front to back with one or two pallets on top over the leading axle of the trailer, those top pallets were the only ones to be strapped, the rest was un- covered and un roped. Never got stopped or lost a block.
Your load isn’t gonna move.
I agree Pat but in the 20 odd years the amount of traffic has increased and the standard of ALL drivers has diminished
nick2008:
chester1:
nick2008:
chester1:
nick2008:
lets get things straight here …
Its always been a legal requirement to secure your load to the trailer just that over the years some have deemed it safe not to , that was till some smart arse went 30 round a round about and either lost or had a load move … just get on with how it should have been done all them years ago when Fred to 2 hrs to do the job but Bert did it in 1.5 hrs because he didn’t rope or strap it and started getting paid by the job and then by job an knock …do it right take ur time = do less boss will then have to pay by the hour
How is doing less an incentive to pay you by the hour if any thing it will work the other way
er if you paid by the hour you do 2 trips not 3 take it steady like the old days not superfastasflatoutyou’llgettwiceasmuchdoneforthesamemoneyworkingharder
Shurly by you doing less work is more of an incentive to keep you on a load bonus rather than put you on an hourly rate . why will he want to pay you more for doing less. Don’t get me wrong im paid by the hour and I have to strap every load but it only adds 15 mins at each end of the job
think you’ll find that load bonus or paying by load is illegal
so how wud you have been paid before he wud have had to put you on hourly rate . He will still be better of even if you was salaried than goin hourly
chester1:
so how wud you have been paid before he wud have had to put you on hourly rate . He will still be better of even if you was salaried than goin hourly
All I’m saying is that drivers are and have been taking shortcuts in load security since bosses have paid load bonus and in doing drivers have cut corners time and time again and now Vosa have decided to clamp down on something that is NOT NEW and has ALWAYS been a requirement. so yet again the driver has been shown to be his own worse enemy.
I’m on salary and if the job takes me 12 - 15 hrs so be it but whilst I’m doing that I’m dong the job CORRECTLY . yes were not pushed and can sit around for hours feet up and relaxing…
Its about time some drivers took a chill pill in this industry,
nick2008:
chester1:
so how wud you have been paid before he wud have had to put you on hourly rate . He will still be better of even if you was salaried than goin hourly
All I’m saying is that drivers are and have been taking shortcuts in load security since bosses have paid load bonus and in doing drivers have cut corners time and time again and now Vosa have decided to clamp down on something that is NOT NEW and has ALWAYS been a requirement. so yet again the driver has been shown to be his own worse enemy.
I’m on salary and if the job takes me 12 - 15 hrs so be it but whilst I’m doing that I’m dong the job CORRECTLY . yes were not pushed and can sit around for hours feet up and relaxing…
Its about time some drivers took a chill pill in this industry,
your right mate people have been shortcuts but loosing an hour a day strapping isn’t an argument for a change in a drivers pay structure when he shud have been doing it in the first place.
chester1:
your right mate people have been shortcuts but loosing an hour a day strapping isn’t an argument for a change in a drivers pay structure when he shud have been doing it in the first place.
But that’s down again to drivers accepting it
Just a slight change from topic here for a second …
What the hell do ‘WUD’ and ‘SHUD’ mean ? Has the English language changed so much in 13 years that you have forgotten how to spell ? 
Pat Hasler:
Just a slight change from topic here for a second …
What the hell do ‘WUD’ and ‘SHUD’ mean ? Has the English language changed so much in 13 years that you have forgotten how to spell ?
For a man living that side of the pond I would have thought you would be used to changes to the English language with mom and color just for starters . Was just being lazy as I grant most of the lads on here with some brains to work it out
for those of us old enough we used to secure every pack of bricks with rope,corners and dolly knot ,other loads like sand and cement where sheeted don’t know why that should be different for straps unless it’s a cost issue
Couldn’t agree more, martyh. I think it’s more to do with familiarity breeding contempt- folks are inclined to think that, just because it hasn’t fallen off in the last hundred journeys they think it will never fall off.
But that’s probably me being a stupid old sod!
Never done brick/block work but a company that parks where we do does and insists every pallet is strapped. Like there gaffer says, which is better, spending an extra 10 minutes strapping or spending the day in court and walking away a few grand lighter and a few points heavier.
nick2008:
mataos32:
Its the same here in sussex. We’ve been told that the blocks need to be against the headboard. We have trouble with our axle weights if we do that(wagon and drag). So we have been told to use pallets to pack out the blocks. We have corner boards. I use ten corner boards and 5 straps to secure 19 packs. My boss showed a photo of one of our trucks netted and strapped like this to the police and vosa and has letters from both saying its an acceptable load. When i go in ibstock down here i only have to strap every fourth pack. That will probably change soon though. I always strap the grab. One of my mates on wincanton got held at the dartford toll booths because they couldnt see his strap over the grab. They let him go once they checked it out.
and how much longer does it take ■■
According to my boss. Six minutes. But im a lazy sod so it takes me about ten. 
I gotta admit that i dont see the point on blocks. When ever i do strap them It always pulls the top of the packs in. Nets are fine on there own imo.
Does anybody on here load out of durox at linford? Seen drivers leaving with just front to back straps on. Ie 4 straps holding about 30-35 packs of lightweight blocks. Does vosa accept this?
nick2008:
Ma Lord I never lost as much as a chickens feather until this happened and I’ve been doing it for years
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and you cant just say its because he’s from across the water
Un-strapped IBCs are an accident weighting to happen! As can be seen above…