they do operate at killingholme just inside the exit gate and pull everything usually this is inside the dock gate
alix776:
they do operate at killingholme just inside the exit gate and pull everything usually this is inside the dock gate
everything? you been pulled there?
busy little dock that one!
yes i have been pulled and checked though i dont why it would mater if i had they have started operating in the layby near chippy on the way in to dock
but its not that busy at the moment
MacDoog:
Coffeeholic:
Quote on the BBC site by some bloke called Bob.One of the problems I regularly see is that of the tractor part of the vehicle carrying different licence plate to that of the trailer.
And that is a problem how? I think Bob may just be an idiot.
For a Foreign vehicle it is not a requirement to have the tractive units VRM on the trailer…just the trailer number!! DOH!!
Exactly, hence my suspicions regarding Bob’s mental status. Also, number plates are hardly a safety issue regardless of whether they match or not.
Definitely not a safety issue! Bob is obviously one of those armchair experts…someone who shouts at the TV and states…‘If I was in charge…’
mark h:
Mike-C:
Vosa are not allowed into Birkenhead or Liverpool docks at present. Makes me laugh they where emphasising the words dangerous,foreign and 40 percent. The authorities already have plenty of power to stop them, infact all they have stopped in the lasr 18 months seems to be foreign trucks.just a quick note here mike, av seen vosa in seaforth on a few occasions am sure of it, isnt that the vosa checkpoint facing the port police station ■■
to be fair like i hav’nt seen it open 4 a while like
I have seen VOSA in Seaforth Docks once on some sort of operation at the P&O ferry, that checkpoint opposite the Police station Mark is the Customs and Excise vehicle check point. Its been documented in the media that VOSA are not allowed in Birkenhead, the guy who has just finished as chief exec (or whatever) of VOSA mentioned to Government ministers about the fact they are not allowed into Seaforth , i did post a link here recently to exactly what he said . Also i think it was Richard Brunstrom who recently said along the lines of…maybe a lighter enforcement touch is neccesary (In North Wales) as it is affecting buisness through the ports !!!
MacDoog:
speedyguy:
HomoFaber:
"The Commons Transport Committee said non-compliance among overseas vehicles was unacceptably high.
Nearly 47% of foreign vehicles stopped were found to have dangerous defects, compared with 37.5% for UK vehicles"Right, is 37.5% is “acceptably high non-compliance” then?
Statements like this are laughable. Well, actually not. They’re examples of tragic incompetence and impotence.
This is what cracks me up whenever there is a purge on truck/coaches/taxis etc the headlines read “Of the 100 vehicles stopped 90 had defects”, but when you look “indepth” it may be a sidelight out or a driver being 2 mins short on a break etc,etc, as wheelnut say’s it’s all headlines to provoke debate/abuse.
What you have to remember all enforcement agencies etc are into job justification and targets. Nothing more more nothing less. Let’s see one of the VOSA guys come on and try and defend it.
I was chatting to one of the VOSA girls the other year who admitted mistakenly joined VOSA in the belief she was joining an organisation which promoted road safety and education, but was very disillisioned to find above all it is about the above and enforcement
. Not education and safety followed up by enforcement.
Then she was very unfortunate in who she was working with. Yes we have targets…what job doesnt…but it is about road safety and education no matter what you think. What would actually happen if we were not around to enforce legislation? There are times when certain people dont want to be educated and then we enforce…its simple. I do not have to justify my job as I know that I can make a difference…if thats saving even one life throughout my entire career then job done.
Your remark about the indepth look is as spurious as the original remark. How do you know that 90 of those defects were not insignificant?? Ive already seen stuff that would make your hair curl with the thought that such dangerous vehicles are travelling right behind you…
Could you explain the VOSA traffic light system more clearly for me? If i am correct in my understanding of it, it targets vehicles/operators who are highly likeley to be non compliant? If VOSA’s HGV enforcement is mainly about safety and saving lives, why do they not target the operators and vehicles in their operating centres for checks before they leave for the road? Thats got to be more pro active in safety terms and an equal use of your manpower?
speedyguy:
HomoFaber:
"The Commons Transport Committee said non-compliance among overseas vehicles was unacceptably high.
Nearly 47% of foreign vehicles stopped were found to have dangerous defects, compared with 37.5% for UK vehicles"Right, is 37.5% is “acceptably high non-compliance” then?
Statements like this are laughable. Well, actually not. They’re examples of tragic incompetence and impotence.
This is what cracks me up whenever there is a purge on truck/coaches/taxis etc the headlines read “Of the 100 vehicles stopped 90 had defects”, but when you look “indepth” it may be a sidelight out or a driver being 2 mins short on a break etc,etc, as wheelnut say’s it’s all headlines to provoke debate/abuse.
What you have to remember all enforcement agencies etc are into job justification and targets. Nothing more more nothing less. Let’s see one of the VOSA guys come on and try and defend it.
I was chatting to one of the VOSA girls the other year who admitted mistakenly joined VOSA in the belief she was joining an organisation which promoted road safety and education, but was very disillisioned to find above all it is about the above and enforcement
Hi all,
Is it not true that VOSA now have a system in place where you are more likely to be stopped if you have a history of non compliance? So 37.5 % of those UK registrations may have already had problems in the past…and of our european colleagues they cant get any information on them because the powers that be (EU) don’t want to share?
Mike-C:
MacDoog:
speedyguy:
HomoFaber:
"The Commons Transport Committee said non-compliance among overseas vehicles was unacceptably high.
Nearly 47% of foreign vehicles stopped were found to have dangerous defects, compared with 37.5% for UK vehicles"Right, is 37.5% is “acceptably high non-compliance” then?
Statements like this are laughable. Well, actually not. They’re examples of tragic incompetence and impotence.
This is what cracks me up whenever there is a purge on truck/coaches/taxis etc the headlines read “Of the 100 vehicles stopped 90 had defects”, but when you look “indepth” it may be a sidelight out or a driver being 2 mins short on a break etc,etc, as wheelnut say’s it’s all headlines to provoke debate/abuse.
What you have to remember all enforcement agencies etc are into job justification and targets. Nothing more more nothing less. Let’s see one of the VOSA guys come on and try and defend it.
I was chatting to one of the VOSA girls the other year who admitted mistakenly joined VOSA in the belief she was joining an organisation which promoted road safety and education, but was very disillisioned to find above all it is about the above and enforcement
Then she was very unfortunate in who she was working with. Yes we have targets…what job doesnt…but it is about road safety and education no matter what you think. What would actually happen if we were not around to enforce legislation? There are times when certain people dont want to be educated and then we enforce…its simple. I do not have to justify my job as I know that I can make a difference…if thats saving even one life throughout my entire career then job done.
Your remark about the indepth look is as spurious as the original remark. How do you know that 90 of those defects were not insignificant?? Ive already seen stuff that would make your hair curl with the thought that such dangerous vehicles are travelling right behind you…
Could you explain the VOSA traffic light system more clearly for me? If i am correct in my understanding of it, it targets vehicles/operators who are highly likeley to be non compliant? If VOSA’s HGV enforcement is mainly about safety and saving lives, why do they not target the operators and vehicles in their operating centres for checks before they leave for the road? Thats got to be more pro active in safety terms and an equal use of your manpower?
This was touched on in other posts Mike. The operator who takes his truck to the local dealer religiously every 5 to 6 weeks then gets a routine pull on the M62 with a marker light bulb out, another truck is later taken for MOT and fails on low headlamp aim. this terrific operator is now glowing amber on the VOSA scale, meanwhile fly by night transport is creeping past Perry Barr on the A34 and still has a green light.
MacDoog may have a different outlook but most of the agency are looking for an easy life. As with my poll for getting stopped by the trafpol in the last 5 years, my results would be similar for my dealings with VOSA, in the low zeros.
Wheel Nut:
The operator who takes his truck to the local dealer religiously every 5 to 6 weeks then gets a routine pull on the M62 with a marker light bulb out, another truck is later taken for MOT and fails on low headlamp aim. this terrific operator is now glowing amber on the VOSA scale, meanwhile fly by night transport is creeping past Perry Barr on the A34 and still has a green light.
i thought fly by night were a good company, decent looking tackle whenever i’ve seen them. they do a lot of concerts stuff with transam, shirleys and EST
welshboyinspain:
Wheel Nut:
The operator who takes his truck to the local dealer religiously every 5 to 6 weeks then gets a routine pull on the M62 with a marker light bulb out, another truck is later taken for MOT and fails on low headlamp aim. this terrific operator is now glowing amber on the VOSA scale, meanwhile fly by night transport is creeping past Perry Barr on the A34 and still has a green light.i thought fly by night were a good company, decent looking tackle whenever i’ve seen them. they do a lot of concerts stuff with transam, shirleys and EST
fly by nights by nature not Fly By Nite literally.
I could have used Dicks Dastardly Haulage as my example, but may have upset Richard
Wheel Nut:
welshboyinspain:
Wheel Nut:
The operator who takes his truck to the local dealer religiously every 5 to 6 weeks then gets a routine pull on the M62 with a marker light bulb out, another truck is later taken for MOT and fails on low headlamp aim. this terrific operator is now glowing amber on the VOSA scale, meanwhile fly by night transport is creeping past Perry Barr on the A34 and still has a green light.i thought fly by night were a good company, decent looking tackle whenever i’ve seen them. they do a lot of concerts stuff with transam, shirleys and EST
fly by nights by nature
I could have used Dicks Dastardly Haulage as my example, but may have upset Richard
Wheel Nut:
Mike-C:
MacDoog:
speedyguy:
HomoFaber:
"The Commons Transport Committee said non-compliance among overseas vehicles was unacceptably high.
Nearly 47% of foreign vehicles stopped were found to have dangerous defects, compared with 37.5% for UK vehicles"Right, is 37.5% is “acceptably high non-compliance” then?
Statements like this are laughable. Well, actually not. They’re examples of tragic incompetence and impotence.
This is what cracks me up whenever there is a purge on truck/coaches/taxis etc the headlines read “Of the 100 vehicles stopped 90 had defects”, but when you look “indepth” it may be a sidelight out or a driver being 2 mins short on a break etc,etc, as wheelnut say’s it’s all headlines to provoke debate/abuse.
What you have to remember all enforcement agencies etc are into job justification and targets. Nothing more more nothing less. Let’s see one of the VOSA guys come on and try and defend it.
I was chatting to one of the VOSA girls the other year who admitted mistakenly joined VOSA in the belief she was joining an organisation which promoted road safety and education, but was very disillisioned to find above all it is about the above and enforcement
Then she was very unfortunate in who she was working with. Yes we have targets…what job doesnt…but it is about road safety and education no matter what you think. What would actually happen if we were not around to enforce legislation? There are times when certain people dont want to be educated and then we enforce…its simple. I do not have to justify my job as I know that I can make a difference…if thats saving even one life throughout my entire career then job done.
Your remark about the indepth look is as spurious as the original remark. How do you know that 90 of those defects were not insignificant?? Ive already seen stuff that would make your hair curl with the thought that such dangerous vehicles are travelling right behind you…
Could you explain the VOSA traffic light system more clearly for me? If i am correct in my understanding of it, it targets vehicles/operators who are highly likeley to be non compliant? If VOSA’s HGV enforcement is mainly about safety and saving lives, why do they not target the operators and vehicles in their operating centres for checks before they leave for the road? Thats got to be more pro active in safety terms and an equal use of your manpower?
This was touched on in other posts Mike. The operator who takes his truck to the local dealer religiously every 5 to 6 weeks then gets a routine pull on the M62 with a marker light bulb out, another truck is later taken for MOT and fails on low headlamp aim. this terrific operator is now glowing amber on the VOSA scale, meanwhile fly by night transport is creeping past Perry Barr on the A34 and still has a green light.
MacDoog may have a different outlook but most of the agency are looking for an easy life. As with my poll for getting stopped by the trafpol in the last 5 years, my results would be similar for my dealings with VOSA, in the low zeros.
They see you as just a number on their monthly target sheet; they approach your truck and are only thinking how many faults they can find no matter how trivial so they’ll get more £’s in the monthly bonus.
Apparently they get £100 cash bonus and some MSA food stamps if they make a referral for Beverly Bell.
alix776:
yes i have been pulled and checked though i dont why it would mater if i had they have started operating in the layby near chippy on the way in to dockbut its not that busy at the moment
We may have met!!!