Trukkertone:
have a look at the abs susie where it plugs into the A frame… they fill with water sometimes… it causes a false signal.,.or even try a different abs susie…
That would be good advice on a tractor unit, but this truck is a rigid.
AndrewG:
Dork Lard:
_jamieb:
DAF I’m regularly given for an agency gig has an amber “ABS truck warning” on the dash. At first it would go off after a few minutes, now it’s permently on. Write it down on vehicle defect sheet every night and mention it in the morning but they seem in no hurry to sort it. Doesn’t seem to effect the vehicle, but then maybe I’ve just not had to break hard enough to get the ABS working.So, two questions:
Would you VOR it?
How do you handle TMs who insist it’s fine and tell you to drive it?
I don’t want to find out the hard way that “ABS truck warning” really means “ABS [zb]” — it’s my ■■■ and life on the line.
VOR is not your decision. Any faults or conditions likely to affect your vehicles roadworthiness need to be reported via a defect notice.
Ask them to confirm their decision in writing as per the VOSA defect reporting guidlines.
There are companies out there who pressure their drivers to take out vehicles which aren’t necessarily roadworthy. They know who they are & they know what they’re doing. You do not want to work for them. It is your licence & not theirs, if/when you lose that licence you cannot drive for them . . . & you cannot drive for anyone else, even the good ones.
Of course its the drivers decision whether to report it. An amber light is only a warning and even if a red the brakes will still work just as well and the truck can still be driven. Its only the ABS which becomes non functional, it has absolutely no impact on the base mechanical components of the braking system. Some things need perspective before resorting to a panic…
DVSA say that the only reason for a truck with an amber light to leave the yard is to be taken to a place of repair. If the amber light comes on during a journey, it’s OK to continue the journey but the truck still needs to be repaired before it is used again.
After the Bath tipper crash, DVSA and the TCs are very, very hot on brakes and warning lights. And the red light means stop, in the first available safe area.
That’s the current perspective.
AndrewG:
Of course its the drivers decision whether to report it. An amber light is only a warning and even if a red the brakes will still work just as well and the truck can still be driven. Its only the ABS which becomes non functional, it has absolutely no impact on the base mechanical components of the braking system. Some things need perspective before resorting to a panic…
Nobody is saying that he can’t report it (and reporting it is what he should be doing). The point is that it’s not the driver’s decision to take the truck off the road, although naturally he can refuse to drive it if he wants to.
Olog Hai:
AndrewG:
Of course its the drivers decision whether to report it. An amber light is only a warning and even if a red the brakes will still work just as well and the truck can still be driven. Its only the ABS which becomes non functional, it has absolutely no impact on the base mechanical components of the braking system. Some things need perspective before resorting to a panic…
Nobody is saying that he can’t report it (and reporting it is what he should be doing). The point is that it’s not the driver’s decision to take the truck off the road, although naturally he can refuse to drive it if he wants to.[/quote
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
if you work for some plobber tosco mob,vor everything at every opperchancity as your paid from the neck down and are asumed to behave without rational thought.
work for any normal mob,and completely ignore yellow lights especially on a daf that used to be amalgamated with brtish leyland and some of their old habits tend to die hard.
i mostly leave the abs lead dangling unplugged anyway no matter if working or not,that way if you get a tug,mr vosa counts his beans,comes along with a gv9,watches you plug it in,then goes away to the van and comes back with another piece of paper lifting and cancelling it.
he has counted his beans with you,and quite often stops digging and digging to find something else.
passing the attitude test also helps this logic. its worked for me countless times,so for me,f its not broke… 
A bit of reading.
VOSA Memo 12 /11
Memo No 12/11 Title IM 38 HGV/PSV ABS Warning Lamp Prohibition Issue Subject area Revised procedure for Prohibition Issue for ABS Malfunction Indicator Lamp illumination From Simon J Griffiths Simon. (Action required) VEs, SVEs TE’s STE’s AM Copy to (for information) Testing Staff, SMs, QA&I officers, Training Services, RM’s, Press Office. RHA, FTA. CPT and SMMT Expiry date N/A Supersedes Memos N/A
Purpose: The purpose of this memo is to define the procedure for Delayed Prohibition Issue requirements applicable when an illuminated ABS Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) is found
Process Users: Vehicle Examiners
Initiating Inputs: An illuminated ABS MIL is found at roadside inspection
Outputs: To ensure VOSA applies a consistent procedure in accordance with the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 Regulation 18, that does not compromise road safety
Procedure – General Rules: • C&U Regulation 18(1A) & (1B) gives dispensation for the sanction level applied for an ABS MIL defect if the defect occurs “during the journey or is being driven to a place where the ABS is to undergo repair” • It is acknowledged that it is not possible for an examiner to independently determine whether a MIL has become illuminated during a journey, at the start of which the ABS system was functioning correctly • This procedure therefore shows the process to be used in order for the Examiner to decide, to the best of his ability using the evidence supplied, whether or not the dispensation (as specified by C&U Reg 18) can be applied to the specific circumstance in question, e.g. an illuminated ABS MIL. • This procedure applies to Anti-Lock Braking System MIL only and not Electronic Braking System MIL • By “this journey” it is meant, the current journey which must have been started within the day. For practical purposes a day is defined as any 24 hour period that begins when a driver starts work after a daily or weekly rest. It is not a rolling period.
• This Procedure applies to domestic and non-domestic vehicles Procedure: Responsibility Procedure Notes 1. Vehicle Examiner Examiner finds ABS MIL illuminated 2. Vehicle Examiner Establish if the MIL is coloured red or yellow/amber 3. Vehicle Examiner If lamp is coloured red the normal prohibition sanction level as specified by the Categorisation of Defects is applied 4.Vehicle Examiner If the ABS MIL is yellow/amber but a secondary red (Stop) warning lamp is illuminated, this must be treated the same as a red lamp 5. Vehicle Examiner If the lamp in coloured yellow/ amber the examiner will need to obtain evidence from the vehicle driver that the MIL became illuminated during this journey 6. Vehicle Examiner Evidence for 5 above must consist of the following and be available at the time of inspection: 6. (i) Walk around check sheet correctly completed indicating correctly functioning braking system the check sheet may be electronic. The check sheet may specify ‘ABS’ 6. (ii) A defect reporting log which must include date, time, location, mileage (at time of incident), details of action taken (including any rectification if applicable) Note. ‘Action taken’ must contain information such as driver checked no visible defect evident or OBD interrogation occurred and note that brake performance and operation appears to be normal. 7. Vehicle Examiner If the examiner is satisfied that, from the evidence provided, the defect occurred within the present journey, and/or the vehicle is en route to a place of repair (or a repairer is travelling to the scene) and that no other obvious braking defect is present then an Inspection Notice is to be issued
Welly Bobby:
A bit of reading.
VOSA Memo 12 /11
Memo No 12/11 Title IM 38 HGV/PSV ABS Warning Lamp Prohibition Issue Subject area Revised procedure for Prohibition Issue for ABS Malfunction Indicator Lamp illumination From Simon J Griffiths Simon. (Action required) VEs, SVEs TE’s STE’s AM Copy to (for information) Testing Staff, SMs, QA&I officers, Training Services, RM’s, Press Office. RHA, FTA. CPT and SMMT Expiry date N/A Supersedes Memos N/A
Purpose: The purpose of this memo is to define the procedure for Delayed Prohibition Issue requirements applicable when an illuminated ABS Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) is found
Process Users: Vehicle Examiners
Initiating Inputs: An illuminated ABS MIL is found at roadside inspection
Outputs: To ensure VOSA applies a consistent procedure in accordance with the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 Regulation 18, that does not compromise road safety
Procedure – General Rules: • C&U Regulation 18(1A) & (1B) gives dispensation for the sanction level applied for an ABS MIL defect if the defect occurs “during the journey or is being driven to a place where the ABS is to undergo repair” • It is acknowledged that it is not possible for an examiner to independently determine whether a MIL has become illuminated during a journey, at the start of which the ABS system was functioning correctly • This procedure therefore shows the process to be used in order for the Examiner to decide, to the best of his ability using the evidence supplied, whether or not the dispensation (as specified by C&U Reg 18) can be applied to the specific circumstance in question, e.g. an illuminated ABS MIL. • This procedure applies to Anti-Lock Braking System MIL only and not Electronic Braking System MIL • By “this journey” it is meant, the current journey which must have been started within the day. For practical purposes a day is defined as any 24 hour period that begins when a driver starts work after a daily or weekly rest. It is not a rolling period.• This Procedure applies to domestic and non-domestic vehicles Procedure: Responsibility Procedure Notes 1. Vehicle Examiner Examiner finds ABS MIL illuminated 2. Vehicle Examiner Establish if the MIL is coloured red or yellow/amber 3. Vehicle Examiner If lamp is coloured red the normal prohibition sanction level as specified by the Categorisation of Defects is applied 4.Vehicle Examiner If the ABS MIL is yellow/amber but a secondary red (Stop) warning lamp is illuminated, this must be treated the same as a red lamp 5. Vehicle Examiner If the lamp in coloured yellow/ amber the examiner will need to obtain evidence from the vehicle driver that the MIL became illuminated during this journey 6. Vehicle Examiner Evidence for 5 above must consist of the following and be available at the time of inspection: 6. (i) Walk around check sheet correctly completed indicating correctly functioning braking system the check sheet may be electronic. The check sheet may specify ‘ABS’ 6. (ii) A defect reporting log which must include date, time, location, mileage (at time of incident), details of action taken (including any rectification if applicable) Note. ‘Action taken’ must contain information such as driver checked no visible defect evident or OBD interrogation occurred and note that brake performance and operation appears to be normal. 7. Vehicle Examiner If the examiner is satisfied that, from the evidence provided, the defect occurred within the present journey, and/or the vehicle is en route to a place of repair (or a repairer is travelling to the scene) and that no other obvious braking defect is present then an Inspection Notice is to be issued
Well that clears that up then…
Vid:
Also worth informing the agency of your concerns, definitely if you’re going to refuse to take the vehicle out (get your side in first!), always a possibility that they will go over the head of whoever you’re dealing with and the higher ups might not be too happy to know that defective vehicles are being sent out on the road. Of course they might not give a toss either.
Ring the agency ffs 
_jamieb:
As a few of you have noted making a song and dance of it can lead to dismissal (yay agency!).Would you say it’s unfair to just say “it’s been reported numerous times and nothing been done. Give me another unit?” And if they refuse the I refuse work?
A few have also said about incompatible trailers but this is rigid (only have cat c).
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Here’s how it works…the more bollox you take the more you’ll get. You’re working for ■■■■ takers who don’t care about your licence, or potentially, your life and the lives of others. Move on.
If a part of TNUK’s reason for its existence is about experienced drivers passing their knowledge onto the newbies then this is a classic example of how it fails.
Trolling is OK when it’s easy to see it as that, everyone likes a bit of banter & none more so than us FLUB’s who spend all day in a cab, but when the given advice is not only wrong it is horribly wrong, then it’s time to start drawing the lines.
If a newbie doesn’t know how to defect a truck to the extent that they daren’t defect a truck for fear of losing their job, then maybe driving a truck isn’t for them.
Dork Lard:
If a part of TNUK’s reason for its existence is about experienced drivers passing their knowledge onto the newbies then this is a classic example of how it fails.Trolling is OK when it’s easy to see it as that, everyone likes a bit of banter & none more so than us FLUB’s who spend all day in a cab, but when the given advice is not only wrong it is horribly wrong, then it’s time to start drawing the lines.
If a newbie doesn’t know how to defect a truck to the extent that they daren’t defect a truck for fear of losing their job, then maybe driving a truck isn’t for them.
Not knowing something is an entirely different situation, to being reluctant to say something through fear.
It’s entirely understandable that newbies will not know procedures as well as an experienced driver, that’s part of being a newbie, he has to learn these things through time.
I gave the lad some advice, while careful to pre.empt and stress, that he should check up with somebody who knew more about it, but that’s all it was…advice, not an instruction.
It’s up to him whether or not he takes that advice, and he need not, but it adds another option for him.
It’s equally understandable that a newbie is not going to be the most vocal about stuff, and maybe be a bit fearful about speaking out, until he gets more established.
It’s ok for the likes of me who have done a bit to tell him not to put up with this that and the other, and mouth off about something to the appropriate party, like I maybe would in a similar case, but it’s much harder for a new lad with little experience to do the same.
Also, I really can’t see how your reference to trolling is applicable to the content of this thread either tbh. 