Yorkshire Tramper:
When you say you failed it quite badly? Are you talking failing on different minors which totted up to a fail or are you talking about failing through a major issue?
the majour issues were mounting 2 kerbs (at least) and nearly driving into a parked van
If you’ve been driving class 2 your not inexperienced.
Was it just nerves or what? What was your experience like getting class 2 licence did you also screw that up big time?
At the very least you need to give a safe & secure drive… nearly driving into a parked van? We’re you just trying to squeeze pay it with on coming traffic or just didn’t see it until the last minute?? If the latter its more worrying.
As for hitting curbs well it won’t automatically fail you, i know i hit one on my class 1 test however i only got 1 other minor so either he let me off or didn’t see it!
Anyway if you have a free re-test absolutely no point wasting it, it’s good just for the experience. Like someone else said don’t tell everybody until after the test = less pressure on you. Only tell people if you pass
as i said on my other post leading up to the “van incedent” i had a 4xidiot with a trailer overtake me on an aproach to a rounderbout and cutting infront of me causing me to brake quite hard to avoid the trailer. then in the next road i had a cyclist ride off the nearside kerb across my path and disapear behind a oncoming then swerve around the van and ride between o/s of my lorry and the van turned right into the next road and was asked to pull over where safe after the driveways the entire road was driveways so i said i didnt understand the instruction nd was told by the bit of grass the only place i could see he possibly ment had cars parked opersite so i said i still wasnt sure where he ment. He said oh never mind we will try elsewhere. So im now thinking i have ■■■■■■ the examiner off and made another error and really feeling the pressure. this all happened with in about 1.5 miles (5 mins) round the next corner there was a line of parked cars on both sides of the road the van i nearly hit was parked at the end of the row on the n/s.
As i was going slowly between the parked cars i saw someone walk between two of the cars as i was passing them as if going to walk out into the road and get into a car. so i was watching them in my o/s mirror like a hawk and all my focus was on them and miscalculated how far foward i had traveled.
On a test they will often ask you to pull over where it is safe to do so, while you are turning into, or on a road with lots of driveways. They do this to see if you either park up and block a driveway, or carry on and park where there are no dropped curbs or restrictions. You may have to drive for quite a while before finding a safe space to pull over where there is room and you are not obstructing anything. You will not lose marks for driving on for a bit, but you will for blocking driveways.
trevorking1964:
I see quite a few artics do it every day as well.
Only takes a moments lapse of concentration approaching a turn or roundabout to leave you out of position and needing a bit of kerb.
Easy done.
trevorking1964:
I see quite a few artics do it every day as well.
Only takes a moments lapse of concentration approaching a turn or roundabout to leave you out of position and needing a bit of kerb.
Easy done.
I can count…
On two hands the number of kerbs I’ve hit/mounted in 40 years of driving class 1.
trevorking1964:
I see quite a few artics do it every day as well.
Only takes a moments lapse of concentration approaching a turn or roundabout to leave you out of position and needing a bit of kerb.
Easy done.
That’s just poor driving, plain and simple. That kerb could just as easily be a pedestrian, vehicle or road sign. Don’t think saying it was a ‘momentary lack of concentration’ would get you very far as a defence
trevorking1964:
I see quite a few artics do it every day as well.
Only takes a moments lapse of concentration approaching a turn or roundabout to leave you out of position and needing a bit of kerb.
Easy done.
It is easily done as a new driver fresh out of training but not through lack of concentration or in general. If I go up a kerb it is because I have no choice rather than through a lack of concentration or not realising. My word what are we coming to.
Did not see this thread earlier Coop. I quickly read your analysis of your test and I can tell from what you say
you need to realise a couple of points. IF any vehicle passes you, cuts in and causes you to brake hard that is not your fault unless of course you did not anticipate the situation but from what you say that is not the case so the examiner will not mark you down for that.
I can also tell you hitting or scraping a kerb is not necessarilly a fail. It will be a fail if you are going too fast and not watching the situation in your mirror but if you are going slowly and watching what is happening and there is no danger to anyone or anything you will not fail for that. In that situation you may get a minor fault however keep hitting kerbs and it will end up causing a fail.
More lessons and more practice required. I don’t know about now but back at the time I was last training there were far too many drivers being put in for a test before they were ready. It also sounds like you have a very busy training and testing area.
jakethesnake:
Did not see this thread earlier Coop. I quickly read your analysis of your test and I can tell from what you say
you need to realise a couple of points. IF any vehicle passes you, cuts in and causes you to brake hard that is not your fault unless of course you did not anticipate the situation but from what you say that is not the case so the examiner will not mark you down for that.
I can also tell you hitting or scraping a kerb is not necessarilly a fail. It will be a fail if you are going too fast and not watching the situation in your mirror but if you are going slowly and watching what is happening and there is no danger to anyone or anything you will not fail for that. In that situation you may get a minor fault however keep hitting kerbs and it will end up causing a fail.
More lessons and more practice required. I don’t know about now but back at the time I was last training there were far too many drivers being put in for a test before they were ready. It also sounds like you have a very busy training and testing area.
Good luck next time.
Agree with this entirely, I will often go up a kerb if the circu,stances are giving me no option. What the other driver is talking about is hitting kerns through a lack of concentration or being out of line on roundabouts. Totally unacceptable in those circumstances·.
cooper1203:
Thanks for the advice and encouragement I have decided to get some more lessons with an experienced instructor if one is available and go from there.
Just as a side cooper, dont blame the instructors too much as it isnt really their fault that your mistakes were made, you are new to class 1 with all that it entails to drive one, as a learner it is inevitable that you will make mistakes but as you drive them more those mistakes quickly become things of the past and you learn from them rather than to keep making them. Honestly mate don’t beat yourself up over this as the mistakes you made to fail the test wil have been made thousands of times before you. Even when you first pass your test you will make mistakes and things do happen until you get more experienced with it. Chin up mate, just go again.
cooper1203:
Thanks for the advice and encouragement I have decided to get some more lessons with an experienced instructor if one is available and go from there.
Just as a side cooper, dont blame the instructors too much as it isnt really their fault that your mistakes were made, you are new to class 1 with all that it entails to drive one, as a learner it is inevitable that you will make mistakes but as you drive them more those mistakes quickly become things of the past and you learn from them rather than to keep making them. Honestly mate don’t beat yourself up over this as the mistakes you made to fail the test wil have been made thousands of times before you. Even when you first pass your test you will make mistakes and things do happen until you get more experienced with it. Chin up mate, just go again.
i dont blame the instructor its not his fault. he was put in the situation as much as my co-learner and i. Trying to get someone through a c+e test in 15 hours including the reverse and couple/uncouple is hard enough for a highly experienced instructor.
cooper1203:
If you have read my most recent thread you will know i failed my c+e road test yesterday quite badly. I am entitled to a free retest but no more free lessons. The company i did the course with only do lessons in three hour blocks @ £300 and speaking to other training providers i am down aprox 6 hours on what they would recomend if i did the training with them (from start to finish). I would have to have a 3 hour lesson on one day then a 3 hour lesson before the test if i wanted a warm up period before my test.
I have spoken to 3 local companies about doing adhoc lessons with them but they basicly arent intrested even if i could wait till september they want me to do the whole thing with them. at the cost of 1000’s
any advice welcome
Regardless of the outcome I question whether you were actually ready for your test? Your Instructor/s should not have let you go for it unless you were ready and showed a high percentage of passing.
And I would say go back to the original company as has been said you know them, their vehicles and how they operate. Just make sure your mind is on the task at hand and try to relax. I’m sure you will do well next time… Good Luck…
Sabretooth:
Regardless of the outcome I question whether you were actually ready for your test? Your Instructor/s should not have let you go for it unless you were ready and showed a high percentage of passing.
And I would say go back to the original company as has been said you know them, their vehicles and how they operate. Just make sure your mind is on the task at hand and try to relax. I’m sure you will do well next time… Good Luck…
I think cooper1203 passed a while back as this thread was from March 2022 or something.
Sabretooth:
Regardless of the outcome I question whether you were actually ready for your test? Your Instructor/s should not have let you go for it unless you were ready and showed a high percentage of passing.
And I would say go back to the original company as has been said you know them, their vehicles and how they operate. Just make sure your mind is on the task at hand and try to relax. I’m sure you will do well next time… Good Luck…
I think cooper1203 passed a while back as this thread was from March 2022 or something.
Thanks for the correction…
I never profess to be a Gold Medalist hence I am some times last in grasping the baton !!
are you surrounded by negative people? family /friends can be at their worst when they see someone potentially bettering themselves , belittling you /sarcey comments is a sign of it.This is probably because they dont want you upsetting the Status Quo. One things for sure you should ignore their advice ,in fact what iv done is listen carefully and thank them for their input then go do exact opposite and this Always works well ,then crow about the success to them. They were trying to make me fail once you realize it you move forward.
Regarding the cost of it ive come to learn that if theres something in life you want but it seems its just out of reach cost wise thats the time you should go and do it , youll find the extra funds easier than you think long as you commit to doing it .
The first thing you need to do is understand your DL25A fail sheet. The DVSA examiners do not mark MINOR FAULTS they are driving faults. Here is the difference, approaching a green traffic light you fail to check mirrors light change to red and no one is behind or around you. Driving fault marked this will not fail you.
Approaching next green light you fail to check mirrors approaching again but this time you have a car up your ■■■ lights change to red this its a serious fault which will fail you. learn to drive to the form study each section. Do not cause others to change speed or direction. Every fault you make falls within the MSPSL routine.
Back to school day 1 of driving any vehicle; Mirrors,Signal,Position ,Speed Look. Lets break it down check your MIRRORS before changing speed or position within the road. SIGNAL your intension to change speed or position remember a brake light is a signal you are slowing down, indicate in good time not too early to be misleading and not too late to benefit other road users. POSITION early lets others know your intension, SPEED select the correct speed and gear if manual for the manoeuvre. LOOK well into the new road for other traffic oncoming or stationary. Every mistake falls within this routine apart from overtaking which is M/PSL/MSM. I am happy to go through it if someone wishes, Retired DVSA Grade A Instructor. Study the DL25A which is the examiners copy and drive to the form.
I follow many trucks mounting curbs at roundabouts on a daily basis. Also ive noticed the lane discipline around roundabouts with multiple lanes can be quite shocking, especially if Im in the inside lane, they in the middle, had to brake a few times when theyve crossed into my lane when there is bags of room for us both to go round. Its usally some a-hole tear arsing round the roundabout that does that
