newmercman:
You’re on CF, but remember it’s 1970, so you’re on 3quid a day with 10 bob night out money, uniform consists of a big belt buckle and a stetson and you can have as many log books as you want
I’m part of the union don’t forget and I’m opting to be paid on mileage at a tanner a mile and you can keep the night out money. 
kr79:
I won’t in future I’m usually very particular about checking. Was getting worried at one point. I had a copy of rolling stone with me but I hadn’t finished it and there it cost $13
Did you not notice the little basket with wet wipes in 
We like to look after our bums
I did eventualy after a near on panic attack. 
Carryfast:
newmercman:
You’re on CF, but remember it’s 1970, so you’re on 3quid a day with 10 bob night out money, uniform consists of a big belt buckle and a stetson and you can have as many log books as you wantI’m part of the union don’t forget and I’m opting to be paid on mileage at a tanner a mile and you can keep the night out money.
A tanner a mile 
You’d have got a clip round the ear if you came into my yard in 1970 with demands like that, you’ll get thru’pence a mile and I’ll let you wash the Jag if you’re lucky
I’d go for a Lamborghini myself like the one from the Italian job. Or the ford gt40 in gulf colours. Although I don’t think I’d fit inside it.
near my dream ,but the gearbox volvo? cheers benkku
bma.finland:
near my dream
The 140 seems to be the closest an actual manufacturer came to perfection. I notice you have also changed the headlights, as well as the gearbox. Both modifications were done in the day- Aussie Scanias had Fullers.
How about a drawing of a KW in NMM Trucking livery, with the driver’s initials in curly script on the door- you know who that is- plus a few of his tasteful accessories screwed to the cab- cowhorns above the radiator etc.
newmercman:
I’m going to change my choice too, I now want a KW K100 with a KTA600 and 6x4 transmission waiting for me when I step out of the time machine…oh and a series two E type Jag, silver with wire wheels and red upholstery pleaseI am slightly bemused at the hybrid Transcon being so popular, having driven the real thing I disagree, it has to be one of the most disappointing vehicles I’ve ever had, it no way lived up to the hype, I would have a 111 or 2800 Daf over a Transcon any day
How about an LP1632 Merc with the Grossraum cab and a 13speed Fuller instead of the nasty ZF box, again on an ERF chassis, for the brakes, for a further curveball, you could swap the cab for one of those coachbuilt LB75 cabs
By the way, nmm- you would have to wait until 1972 for your KTA. In 1970, you could have an NTC370, according to the article below. This would be about 350bhp net, so your rivets-and-chrome monster would be no faster than bma’s 140- and his lorry has a better-looking cab.
Point taken about the Transcon- less than the sum of its parts might be an agreeable summary of it. The same bag of bits, but engineered by ERF (or Atkinson- where is Bewick?) may be a more perfect dream.
An LV75 cab on a Merc LP? Hmm… I have been brewing an idea for another thread, and this may be the catalyst!
Something like this cheers benkku
[zb]
anorak:
An LV75 cab on a Merc LP? Hmm… I have been brewing an idea for another thread, and this may be the catalyst!
The LP Merc was probably the most frightening lorry I’ve ever driven, think it was a LP1924, hydraulic/air brakes with about 4" wide brake shoes ? If you picked up a trailer with poor brakes you’d never stop empty, let alone loaded.
My 70’s tractor ? how about a crusader sleeper 6x4 with a 141 engine and fuller box 
well maybe some steps to get in the cab now !
bma.finland:
Something like this
Blimey! That took 37 minutes- less than the time it took me to describe it! I like the rivets- superb attention to detail. I’m off to 1960 now, for another dose of retrospective idealism.
newmercman:
Carryfast:
newmercman:
You’re on CF, but remember it’s 1970, so you’re on 3quid a day with 10 bob night out money, uniform consists of a big belt buckle and a stetson and you can have as many log books as you wantI’m part of the union don’t forget and I’m opting to be paid on mileage at a tanner a mile and you can keep the night out money.
A tanner a mile
Bewick has offered me more than that to drive a new Atki Borderer with a Gardner in it.But I’m going to ignore all the advice saying that it’s better to drive a zb wagon for more money on uk work than a much better one on international for less.
You’re on your own though CF, I know [zb] wants us running team, but I have enough faith in you to earn petrol money for the Jag, I wouldn’t use it much anyway, not with all the young ladies burning their bras, I’d be doing my bit to ‘support’ them while looking at Lava Lamps and listening to Jefferson Airplane and Neil Young with an aroma of ‘herbs’ in the air
Evening all, some proper “tasty” specs coming through. [ZB], will be spending his hard earned cash on one or two of these!
But for me, the US specs leave me cold…Maybe because I learned the hard way what such names as, Reyco suspension, all steel 24in Budds, 270 ■■■■■■■■ 80in BBC, and Marmon cab over really mean!! “The rare breed from Texas”, should remain just that…and die out!!! Garland has little to recommend it!! Was “mine”, the only “conventional” Marmon to reach this “sceptered isle”■■ I wonder.(But it soon left it)!!
But thinking about the parameters of this thread, another vehicle leaps out, available in the early 70s, (but only just), the last “real” Unic, beloved by all who knew her, the V8 Galibier, fitted with Mr Fiats “tin” cab, but engineered in Switzerland by H Emile Frey AG, to tilt, oh so easily. 10speeds to stir, behind perhaps the worlds finest V8, a calcophony of musical excellence, reliability, and economy in one dynamic package, truly poetry in motion !
Do any of you remember those “rocket ships” of Transports Multi trans, now they really made the windows in Bridge rattle as they raced for the Dover boat!!
To answer the questions, [ZB] regarding my Saviem, (but pertaining to the day, 1974), no the Rolls would be a "big power " option, on top of the upright MANs. As much power and greater torque potential than the V8, but some 200kg lighter. To theorise,…had the Saviem Berliet “merger”, not taken place, and Saviem remained “solus”. Come the 85 financial crunch that nearly bankrupted MAN, then possibly the Regie, would have purchased MAN, and what a combination that would have made!..But of course for that to happen, well, Berliet would have been part of IVECO, or more likely those nice Swedish Gentlemen would have hung Volvo, above the Vennisieux front door!! And either would have been a Premiership player!!
Riverstick, a brief history of the Rolls Saviem, Purchased by Rolls Royce 73/74, a Saviem SM 340 chassis cab, less the V8, and GV350 Saviem gearbox. Fitted at Shrewsbury with a 320hp version of the Eagle, (pre production), with a 9509 9speed Fuller. Rolls really “shook down” the installation, and de-bugged it before sending it to France for trials with major operators.
In my spec, for [ZB]s thread, I have substituted a 13speed for the 9, purely for the way I felt that it would have performed. I drove the lorry when on trial with Transports ONATRA, at the Le Havre, (Tancarville) operation. And what a machine, crisp, responsive, comfortable, “driveable” in a way that made the MAN V8s totally outclassed, and very economic at 38tonnes. Everyone who drove her, raved about her!! ONATRA, operated some 350 Saviems, SM340s, and 280TUs, on Tanks, and dry freight. The total fleet strength in the early 70s was about 650 units, Saviem and Magirus being the majority.
The test results were outstanding, as were those with other major French operators. Cost per km, actual, and projected, being substantially lower than those of existing machines. In fact when I was involved in the early 80s in researching our “Factory” contract figures, we used the Rolls Saviem basis as a meridian figure, so good were they!
But of course came the Berliet Saviem merger, and the Rolls Saviem was no more…but its lagacy lived on, and Leyland France was the benificiary,…Le Camion Rolls Royce…and the French operators loved the Roadtrain…but Mr DAF quickly killed that opposition, once he was “gifted” Leyland!!
So [ZB], Im now sitting in my Unic Gallibier, listening to that slow idling V8 rumble, at least a tonne and a half payload better off than all of the "Transcontinental" fantasies, a warmer cab to sleep in than M Berliets KB, a far better sound than the Patricroft "rumble", better brakes and suspension than Ford, or any of the UK manufacturers, a Telma retarder for the really bad bits, such a driveable machine that I can blow the milk bottles off the steps in Bridge....Im so happy, I will go and open a new bottle of Bollinger…Bon Nuit mes Braves, Cheerio for now.
A normal cab something seldom…A few years after Mack was in the same group !
michel:
A normal cab something seldom…A few years after Mack was in the same group !
Evening Gentlemen, michel, welcome to Truck Net, you have some great images, which part of France are you from? Keep writing! Cheerio for now.
That’s the cab off a normal-control Berliet. Was that camion a one-off special?
I believe the owner found the original Mack cab a little narrow, so he did this alteration to his tractor. I saw it in the 80th with a tipper semi trailer hauling iron products.
Browsing the CM archives, I found these:
archive.commercialmotor.com/arti … -lloyd-bsc
archive.commercialmotor.com/arti … ctive-unit
archive.commercialmotor.com/arti … essentials
An engineer who drives comes up with his ideal specification for 1973. He chooses the best of everything, then adds everything else available. True to British form, he tops it all off with a day cab!
I could not find Part 2- CM’s search engine is rubbish. Good luck, if you look for it.
a transcon-big cam ■■■■■■■■■■ speed fuller , but with proper brakes and electrics…
andrew.s:
a transcon-big cam ■■■■■■■■■■ speed fuller , but with proper brakes and electrics…
Another Berliet-cabbed ERF/Atki, then. That seems to be the favourite.
