Hiya…don’t you think these politicians are just front men (like foremen in factory,s)
the people running the country are behind the scenes and we never know who they are.
look at it this way. we have an election the parties change the country keeps going no problem.
how many factories could sack all there management and keep going as normal the next day. none.
i think its all a trick. Labour give you a good time for a few years.(hooray) Conservatives
get in tell us we’ve spent to much we need to save more and tighten up. meanwhile the
Labour chaps shout we can change everything so they get in the next election, the same
thing happens again. its all a joke and we’re paying for it. we have an election we get a vote,
that means nothing, the government can see how much interest there is in areas, also it keeps people
employed counting and Talking about us.I’d love to see what happens when the next election come and
no one votes at all…i do know the party would’t change but what a laugh. things would still go on the
same.( if we was in power we could do this that the other, don’t listen to them, we can do better.)
now look how many past prime ministers seem to do very well for themselves after their term in power.
all of them…one time when the parties changed the leader said we’ll build some hospitals (just like that)
i know of a chap who was on the design team for one hospital. from start to finish locating and ordering
equipment it to 10 years to plan…the leader didn’t say we are inheriting a hospital of the other lot.
he made it sound like he was doing it on his own…he knew the hospital was due. we all thought. Great man
I say don’t get up tight about them things will never change for the better.they are just playing with us
and our money.
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Slackbladder:
There is zero chance of ukip getting into a position of any power in this country. They are a one trick pony at best, preying on the fears of the ill informed. They may do well in the European elections but, given the way they vote, I wouldn’t bank on them getting any seats in parliament any time soon.
Recently their MEPs have voted against safer trucks on the road as well as voting against tighter regulation of ivory movements.Who will you be voting for then, slackbladder?
My vote is between me & the ballot box.
Of course ukip are making all the right noises, there is an election coming up & let’s face it, they are politicians at the end of the day, no different to any of the others by promising you what they think you want to get your vote. They can promise whatever they want as long as they are safe in the knowledge that they won’t get into any position of power, remember they have zero MPs at Westminster. Odd how they want us out of Europe & therefore doing themselves out of a job though, talk about turkey’s voting for Xmas. I don’t suppose they are so against the European Parliament that they refuse to attend meetings or turn down any of the monetary benefits of belonging to said group.
trubster:
I will certainly be voting UKIP, regardless of whatever smear campaign’s the main parties try to make UKIP look bad.
thats what THEY’LL try to do to UKIP, smear THEM! 
Slackbladder:
There is zero chance of ukip getting into a position of any power in this country.
Recently their MEPs have voted against safer trucks on the road
Safer for cyclists - not lorry drivers. So they voted against the whole lorry manufacturing industry having to change the design of trucks because cyclists seem incapable of seeing them…
I will be voting UKIP. If you keep doing the same thing, you will keep getting the same results.
Fatboy slimslow:
trubster:
I will certainly be voting UKIP, regardless of whatever smear campaign’s the main parties try to make UKIP look bad.thats what THEY’LL try to do to UKIP, smear THEM!
Ukip only need to win enough seats in 2015 to prevent a majority government being formed.
Think: If Farage gets the “Deputy Prime Minster” job like Cleggy, it will be enough for their “one trick pony” to impress itself upon the party wanting their support in a coalition. If you remember in 2010, Cleggy had to make a big show of “courting labour” despite the fact that Labour didn’t actually win enough seats to go with the libdems alone… They needed further support from other minority parties - a “coalition of losers”.
All Farage has to do is take Clegg’s job on the single condition that we get an in/out Euro referendum by the end of 2015. It’s going to be a lot easier to achieve for a “one-trick pony” than for some other party like the LibDems who still feel they need to invervene in all manner of other minor policies that the rest of us don’t give merde deux about. 
The safety regulations will make trucks safer for pedestrians & not just cyclists.
I have no doubt that ukip will do well at the forthcoming European elections, it’s the publics way of letting the government know their feelings. A bit like the by elections that always go against the incumbent. Come general election time you don’t get the same reaction. Mr farage seems like a capable enough chap, his pint & ■■■ routine appeals to people not used to seeing politicians acting normal. But less face it, he’s just another millionaire trying to appeal to the masses, who thinks that nobody in this country is capable of being his secretary so he hires his German wife, leading a party with no manifesto into an election. There is no way his party can get anywhere near enough MPs into parliament to have any effect on government, let alone enough to form a coalition.
Well it seems a straightforward choice to me, vote for more of the same, that got us where we are, or vote for something completely different.
I believe we will be better off out of the EU, and also that we would be a lot better off with a government that concentrated its efforts on improving things for its people rather than interfering in foreign countries like the Iraq fiasco or the Afghanistan waste of time. These wars cost millions of pounds which would have been much more well spent at home. Brave service men and women lost their lives for what? what improvement has there been from their losses. They cannot even march through the streets in homecoming parades without being harangued by muslims who justifiably question our presence in their countries, but if we were in their countries we would not be allowed to do that.
The european court of human rights constantly interferes in our justice system, we are not allowed to deport terrorists because of their human rights.
What about the eu accounts? here is a libdumb trying to put a positive spin on it libdemvoice.org/opinion-audi … 37130.html
I am all for the common market, that is what we signed up for but not what we have.
Strident opinions buoyed up with either real or spurious statistical quotes are just pockets of hot air which achieve zilch. While personal debates rage back and forth, the euro masterplan continues to relentlessly weave it`s insidious damage into the very fabric of our daily lives.
The inescapable, unpalatable truth is that EU “membership” has done sweet FA for the living standards, working conditions and morale of this nation. The vile, stagnant political pot needs a ■■■■ good stirring, and UKIP is the only paddle we have at our disposal to do this with. Yes, they are embryonic and presently lack political maturity, but they also have the courage and backbone to ruffle the feathers of the old guard - something which is desperately needed.
In the sure and certain knowledge that they are not about to landslide any party or process, I shall be voting for them if only to increase their political presence.
Or you could always don a blindfold and join the flat earth society…■■
grumpybum:
Slackbladder:
There is zero chance of ukip getting into a position of any power in this country.
Recently their MEPs have voted against safer trucks on the roadSafer for cyclists - not lorry drivers. So they voted against the whole lorry manufacturing industry having to change the design of trucks because cyclists seem incapable of seeing them…
Actually the whole safer for cyclist thing was just media spin to get a story, these proposals have been round for a while. The changes also allow a larger crumple zone which could benefit the some of us if we run into something pretty solid, and it also means slightly larger cabs which could mean a wider bunks etc.
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The inescapable, unpalatable truth is that EU “membership” has done sweet FA for the living standards, working conditions and morale of this nation.
Well, it has destroyed the British continental transport industry, the main cause of the 1990s wages in east Kent referred to in another thread, and it has also helped to push housing costs up to the point that houses are unaffordable to our children.
So it has done something for us. 
I blame neo-liberalism from the west for our woes as much as bureaucracy from the east.
Slackbladder:
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Slackbladder:
There is zero chance of ukip getting into a position of any power in this country. They are a one trick pony at best, preying on the fears of the ill informed. They may do well in the European elections but, given the way they vote, I wouldn’t bank on them getting any seats in parliament any time soon.
Recently their MEPs have voted against safer trucks on the road as well as voting against tighter regulation of ivory movements.Who will you be voting for then, slackbladder?
My vote is between me & the ballot box.[/b]
Of course ukip are making all the right noises, there is an election coming up & let’s face it, they are politicians at the end of the day, no different to any of the others by promising you what they think you want to get your vote. They can promise whatever they want as long as they are safe in the knowledge that they won’t get into any position of power, remember they have zero MPs at Westminster. Odd how they want us out of Europe & therefore doing themselves out of a job though, talk about turkey’s voting for Xmas. I don’t suppose they are so against the European Parliament that they refuse to attend meetings or turn down any of the monetary benefits of belonging to said group.
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Exactly the answer I expected. Typical mouth breather know-it-all full of opinions about everything and anything when in actual fact you know ■■■■ all. Your opinions on other parties are worthless if you’re not man enough to say who you will be voting for.
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Strident opinions buoyed up with either real or spurious statistical quotes are just pockets of hot air which achieve zilch. While personal debates rage back and forth, the euro masterplan continues to relentlessly weave it`s insidious damage into the very fabric of our daily lives.
The inescapable, unpalatable truth is that EU “membership” has done sweet FA for the living standards, working conditions and morale of this nation. The vile, stagnant political pot needs a ■■■■ good stirring, and UKIP is the only paddle we have at our disposal to do this with. Yes, they are embryonic and presently lack political maturity, but they also have the courage and backbone to ruffle the feathers of the old guard - something which is desperately needed.
In the sure and certain knowledge that they are not about to landslide any party or process, I shall be voting for them if only to increase their political presence.Or you could always don a blindfold and join the flat earth society…■■
Excellent post and I could not agree more.
Left hand down!:
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Strident opinions buoyed up with either real or spurious statistical quotes are just pockets of hot air which achieve zilch. While personal debates rage back and forth, the euro masterplan continues to relentlessly weave it`s insidious damage into the very fabric of our daily lives.
The inescapable, unpalatable truth is that EU “membership” has done sweet FA for the living standards, working conditions and morale of this nation. The vile, stagnant political pot needs a ■■■■ good stirring, and UKIP is the only paddle we have at our disposal to do this with. Yes, they are embryonic and presently lack political maturity, but they also have the courage and backbone to ruffle the feathers of the old guard - something which is desperately needed.
In the sure and certain knowledge that they are not about to landslide any party or process, I shall be voting for them if only to increase their political presence.Or you could always don a blindfold and join the flat earth society…■■
Excellent post and I could not agree more.
+1 that excellent post is from the heart.
UKIP may well be a one trick pony with politicians who are full of promises to be broken at a later date,
but since the 3 main parties have been doing the same for as long as I could vote, this year and next I will be voting for UKIP.
its about time politics in this country got a kick up the ■■■…
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Slackbladder:
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Slackbladder:
Exactly the answer I expected. Typical mouth breather know-it-all full of opinions about everything and anything when in actual fact you know [zb] all. Your opinions on other parties are worthless if you’re not man enough to say who you will be voting for.
You should change your name to mystic meg then. I don’t even tell my wife who I vote for, it’s none of her business, or yours, or anyone else’s, if that makes me less of a man in your eyes then well, who cares.
I can understand people being fed up of the current crop in parliament but this has been going on for years. Nobody liked Wilson, Heath, Callaghan, Thatcher, Major and remember Blair, when they got in it was all smiles as they were the saviour of the working man weren’t they? Didn’t quite work out that way though did it?
Ukip have one policy, get us out of Europe, as it happens I agree with that, and they are in the perfect spot to give the government a wake up call as plenty will vote for them in the European elections. When it comes to the general election though people will vote differently, they won’t trust ukip to run their schools, hospitals etc because ukip have no viable policy on them, or even a book of lies, or manifesto as politicians call them, to view.
Ukip have no MPs only MEPs, the upcoming elections are for MEPs to sit in the European Parliament.
Slackbladder:
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Slackbladder:
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Slackbladder:
Exactly the answer I expected. Typical mouth breather know-it-all full of opinions about everything and anything when in actual fact you know [zb] all. Your opinions on other parties are worthless if you’re not man enough to say who you will be voting for.You should change your name to mystic meg then. I don’t even tell my wife who I vote for, it’s none of her business, or yours, or anyone else’s, if that makes me less of a man in your eyes then well, who cares.
I can understand people being fed up of the current crop in parliament but this has been going on for years. Nobody liked Wilson, Heath, Callaghan, Thatcher, Major and remember Blair, when they got in it was all smiles as they were the saviour of the working man weren’t they? Didn’t quite work out that way though did it?
Ukip have one policy, get us out of Europe, as it happens I agree with that, and they are in the perfect spot to give the government a wake up call as plenty will vote for them in the European elections. When it comes to the general election though people will vote differently, they won’t trust ukip to run their schools, hospitals etc because ukip have no viable policy on them, or even a book of lies, or manifesto as politicians call them, to view.
Ukip have no MPs only MEPs, the upcoming elections are for MEPs to sit in the European Parliament.
OK. Let me put it another way. Let’s hear from you why Lab/Con/Libdem/anyone else would be far more worthy of our vote over UKIP. On you go 
Votes are like Money, medical matters, and ■■■. Some can talk about it, some think it’s something to be kept private.
Either way, respect to anyone who can actually be bothered to use their vote, regardless of what it is. We all respect people with hard-earned, those that soldier on, and people that are married don’t we? It should just the same be the case for those who vote without talking of it. Better that than shooting off on here, and then “can’t be arsed to vote” on the day.
As for myself, I always vote against the incumbent. IF I wanted to vote for those already in power, I could achieve that by not turning up.
I intend to use my vote though, rather than stay at home and then moan about it if and when the incumbent holds on to their seat by a narrow margin… Who’s fault would that be? 
My ward (Gillingham) was was the narrowest in the country at the last general election. Every vote for candidates to fight for as far as I’m concerned!
OK. Let me put it another way. Let’s hear from you why Lab/Con/Libdem/anyone else would be far more worthy of our vote over UKIP. On you go
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It’s not for me to tell you how to vote, that’s up to you. Given your obvious distaste for the other parties why should I tell you who I vote for just to have you ridicule my choice.
If you don’t like what the parties do then go get involved, don’t come on here or sit at home ranting about it. Go to meetings, voice your opinion, question your local mp & councillors, in short do something other than wait until the next big thing come around. A few years ago it was all bnp this & bnp that, they were going to reduce immigration and make the country better for us all, another one trick pony. Oddly enough their leader is an MEPs aswell. If you feel that ukip will give you more than the last lot you voted for, I don’t need to know who btw, then crack on. Just go to a public meeting for their candidate around your way and ask him a few questions on how he intends to improve your life, it gets very interesting believe me.
Left hand down!:
Exactly the answer I expected. Typical mouth breather know-it-all full of opinions about everything and anything when in actual fact you know [zb] all. Your opinions on other parties are worthless if you’re not man enough to say who you will be voting for.
Why? That’s a huge leap of logic and is completely meaningless. UKIP is run by an idiot - a charismatic idiot, I grant you - and who I, or Slackbladder, or anyone else, votes for, and whether we choose to reveal that or not, won’t change that.