Winseer:
If your job was “Run to Rumbelows and bring back some electrical gear monday-friday” then your job is redundant the day rumbelows fell over, and the duty within the job no longer exists.
Perhaps a firm will side-shift you into a run to a new firm in a similar line of business & place. Perhaps not.
Employing someone else to do the same job after making a Full Timer redundant however seems against the spirit of the law in every way - The job being that particular duty rather than the employment as “driver”.
I think you’re misunderstanding the the meaning of the words ‘job’ and ‘employment’ as they apply to ‘employment’ law.The key word is ‘employment’ not the job that you’re doing as part of it.You’re only doing the job so long as you’re ‘employed’ by the company to do it.If the company decides to give the ‘job’ to a sub contractor then your ‘employment’ has been terminated on grounds of redundancy.Simples no argument as ‘employment’ law stands at present.
The T & C changes consisted of, a rise of £1 per hr over the month, that’s £180 a month.
Overtime went from time & half to time & £1 per hr, biggest change was holidays. The old way was if you were on rota to come in on a bank hol you got double time & a day off in lieu or triple time, your choice. If not on rota you got double time for the first shift back. This changed to only getting extra pay if you were actually working the bank holiday. The vote was 52% against taking the deal. The reason it was turned down was, in my opinion, the union was so poor at the time that only around 25% of the workforce were members. Democracy in action means the deal was turned down by just over 1 8th of the workforce. Only union members were balloted.
I have nothing against unions, however after years of getting shafted on pay there it was a standing joke that there’s would accept any deal from management once he had been offered a couple of cream cakes. Sadly the salad dodger always caved hence the low membership.
Slackbladder:
The T & C changes consisted of, a rise of £1 per hr over the month, that’s £180 a month.
Overtime went from time & half to time & £1 per hr, biggest change was holidays. The old way was if you were on rota to come in on a bank hol you got double time & a day off in lieu or triple time, your choice. If not on rota you got double time for the first shift back. This changed to only getting extra pay if you were actually working the bank holiday. The vote was 52% against taking the deal. The reason it was turned down was, in my opinion, the union was so poor at the time that only around 25% of the workforce were members. Democracy in action means the deal was turned down by just over 1 8th of the workforce. Only union members were balloted.
I have nothing against unions, however after years of getting shafted on pay there it was a standing joke that there’s would accept any deal from management once he had been offered a couple of cream cakes. Sadly the salad dodger always caved hence the low membership.
Even worse than that is the unbelievable situation whereby the union makes a deal with the management without any consultation and ballot at all.What I learnt in that case is that you can have your terms and conditions and work practices changed under a ‘collective agreement’ that you don’t even know anything about until you’re told to work to the new parctices and mistakenly tell the guvnor to zb off.
However the thing that connects most ‘agreements’ since the 1980’s is that they’ll always be in the guvnor’s favour because,unlike during the 1970’s,most union leaderships these days,rightly,have no confidence in the workforce and membership being up for what it takes to win a dispute outright.
It’s also no surprise that the guvnors are always keen enough to stop union actions that aren’t in their favour,where so called incorrect,let alone no,balloting and consultation has been carried out, but they are happy enough with that situation when it’s an agreement that has been obtained in that way that’s in their favour.
However the guvnors are only shooting themselves in the foot in the race to the bottom because it’s just taking the whole economy down in general including their own businesses.
hi chaps this may help break this down, it may all come down to this pentalver transport Canock, is a big depot in the wrong place.The wage bill must be huge on that brand new yard (very nice but the cost of the block paving alone would have paid for a very nice wage rise )also the subbies now doing the work i have been told are motorway transport and if you look, has somthing to do with your md (they are brothers 1 is the MD of pentalver and the other was somthing to do with LPS from Felixstowe now works for motorway )and as there drivers are being paid less and there fleet is not as new as pentalver you will find, as your drivers are made redunant, they will bring more in, if they can get the work. I would think that Brain Tatteshill and Mr Gevis the old MDs of Pentalver Transport (sorry about the spelling) must look in dismay at what they had built up over the years going down hill this way.All we can do, as drivers ,is hope that the boss, which ever-one you, have treats you with the respect we deserve.
Winseer:
It’s hardly overpriced transportation that pushes up the price of goods & services. Services costs such as provided by goods drivers like us are on the wane. …
You have to change your Habit.
First,start meeting regulary in pubs
Start buying for Easter in february Goods you can store and just fresh Food the Day before you use it.(Gives more Jobs in February at retailers)
Take off at Easter Week as Christian to celebrate the Festive season (So they short on drivers at peak Time,but its there Fault as they dont have enough Staff)
Take Holiday at Christmas.Its Beautiful in the Alps (They dont care in January about you so why do you care?)
Try working for Companies abroad who run to UK (Brings Money into UK and it doesnt matters where the Lorry is registered if you anywhy all Week away)
Cook yourself or use Pub Food (Pubs the Backbone of UK but Fastfood just makes Billionaires rich)
I have not read all the posts on this subject but consult a lawyer !
It is ilegal in the UK to offer the same job even temporary to anyone untill 1 year after the person was made redundant, the job must e offered back to whoever was made redundant and they have the right to either take it or refuse it… and that my friend is the law.
Tell the company you are taking legal action.
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