Saaamon:
Onions what a joke.
Light hearted humour… 
Drivers have always been there own worst enemy, and have rarely if ever stuck together. Unions,of which l’ve always been a member,are also rarely any use and have very little influence these days. I recently went to a meeting were no matter how you voted the company would just do want they wanted anyway. However l voted against there proposals as l wanted them to know that despite the fact they’d get there own way,l didn’t agree with it. Unfortunately 90% voted to agree and were more worried that they’d be spotted on camera going to the meeting. I feel sorry for anyone who loses there job or takes a hit in there wages(personal experience here) but people don’t seem to care anymore so long as they’ve got a job. Sad but true. 
@ Winseer comments
^^^^^^Brill post mate.
As Juddian has also pointed out…“Time to grow a pair…” if you want to preserve your jobs and standards of living.
To those who are against unions and their members just think if it hadn’t been for the sacrifices and hardships past generations suffered in the past you wouldn’t have what you have now. Stop being parasites and start thinking and acting.
after reading all this and mulling it over…i will not be crossing any picket line.
stevieboy308:
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to me, if you want to make business decisions / policy / strategy, then start your own business, it doesn’t sit with me right, people wanting to dictate how someone else’s is to be run. there are plenty of laws about to stop firms doing anything they want to employees.
Looking back over this thread…oh the naiveté.
Name one of these “Laws” that does as you claim.
Rob K:
haribo4000:
Well I work for stobarts, fortunately not at Doncaster. I do feel sorry for the Donny drivers, it’s not nice what’s happened and I support whatever action you take.
So what “action” are you “supporting” exactly then?
Sounds like you’re sticking 2 fingers up to your colleagues and only looking out for yourself to me.
Ok, so are you one of the ex Tesco drivers losing out on massive pay then?
Do you really think that a few drivers standing on the gate of one distribution centre will keep you your jobs? Also can you afford to lose 2 days pay whilst standing there? I know I couldn’t afford it. And all the comments on here regarding drivers sticking together to stop wages going down is irrelevant. This issue is about the ex Tesco drivers not wanting to take the new position offered because they feel they are worth more than anyone else. Drivers sticking together? Tut! Please help me keep my high wages and screw everyone else more like.
Spot on ‘Haribo4k’, always take care of number one, do you think tesco drivers give a monkeys about you, your family or anyone else for that matter!?
No one is forced to work for Stobarts or any other contractor used by supermarkets! In house transport operations are a cost to Tesco etc and because they have shareholders have to have efficiency savings across their whole business!
Welcome to the REAL world Tesco employees! There are very few savings left for them now so it’s your turn! I think it’s bollox,but that’s the way it’s gone here nowadays and is why no other depot will support your strike! Did Donny walk out in support of Middlewich or Fenny Lock?
haribo4000:
Rob K:
haribo4000:
Well I work for stobarts, fortunately not at Doncaster. I do feel sorry for the Donny drivers, it’s not nice what’s happened and I support whatever action you take.
So what “action” are you “supporting” exactly then?
Ok, so are you one of the ex Tesco drivers losing out on massive pay then?
Do you really think that a few drivers standing on the gate of one distribution centre will keep you your jobs? Also can you afford to lose 2 days pay whilst standing there? I know I couldn’t afford it. And all the comments on here regarding drivers sticking together to stop wages going down is irrelevant. This issue is about the ex Tesco drivers not wanting to take the new position offered because they feel they are worth more than anyone else. Drivers sticking together? Tut! Please help me keep my high wages and screw everyone else more like.
You sir, have completely missed the point. It was the complete irony - or perhaps should that should be hypocrisy - of your post, saying that you feel sorry for them and “fully support them” yet in fact you are doing no such thing and are all hot air. If you were “fully supporting them” then you wouldn’t be crossing their picket line like a scab ( someone had to say it ) and basically sticking 2 fingers up to your colleagues employed by the same company as yourself. Whether I agree with them or not is irrelevant to my posts to you.
I’m a scab too, given that I have struggled to do 6 shifts since the 9th of September I’m sorry but yes, whilst I have sympathy I also have a family and mortgage to think about, unless some of those boys wanna chip in from their glorious wages and help me out ■■!
I concur with the idea that crossing picket lines=NOT supporting the strike, or your fellow worker that goes with it.
If you don’t support strike action, or even the cause at hand, then you’ll be crossing picket lines, voting tory, taking an I’m alright jack attitude, or demanding higher interest rates. All considered “them and us” carping in the economy at this time of course!
If you do support the strike, and want to do so in a non-self-destructive manner, then all that need be done is to sidestep being put into a position where you get asked to cross a picket line, with a penalty involved if one doesn’t comply. Politics! Statecraft! Intrigue! There comes a time when that often-derided item of “thinking with one’s balls” needs to be taken a bit more seriously.
I bet there are some folk out there who’ve thrown a sickie when told in advance by a TM “You’ll be crossing a picket line next week my son, or I’ll have your P45 for you on friday!” and other such bullying from the management.
Likewise, there are more and more firms who are looking to get rid of people on things just like “too many sickies” or that catch-all “insubordination”.
Shame we can’t sack a few high command managers for breach of trust, breach of contract, theft of wages, default of bonuses, and a dozen other things that suits would never let blue collars get away with if the roles were reversed!
Business alas isn’t a democracy - but it COULD be with the proper reforms! - I have a dream! 
Perhaps one day a future worker-friendly government will introduce a heavy tax on firms that lay people off, and then make money out of it! It wouldn’t cost the taxpayer anything to implement after all…
Unions need to concentrate on “preservation of FAIRNESS” rather than preservation of “jobs for life” which is no longer achievable in the 21st century. A 20% cut in the workforce for example, would be a far rarer, and orderly event IF it were 20% evenly across the entire firm, including the board, high management, and subbed areas of the business alike. Pay rises at the top would be a lot more sensible too, if a firm was obliged to award the same percentage to the board as offered to the rank and file workforce.
The board awarding themselves 20%+ whilst the rank-and-file get “capped at the rate of inflation” for example, could then be stamped out - with the support of the public who’d see those at the top as “behaving like bankers”. Comparison between boardrooms and bankers I think would be a good way for future unions to win over the public. For the time being though, these problems are going to remain with us for the forseeable future, until such business & shop floor reforms come to pass. 
It’s nice to see lorry drivers standing together. I don’t think there is a single person here that would like to be in the position these drivers have ended up in through no fault of their own. I do feel sorry for the other lads and girls who are going to be put in the situation of going there to pull loads out as they are basically going to be indiviudal, not part of the gang but having little choice but to go there as that ‘one’ person on his own is very despensable if they say ‘Im not doing that’. Also the ESL managing director was quoted saying “It’s very disappointing”, in other words “how dare you not lie down and take it, we do what we want”
Just found this from yesterday :
“”“”“”"However, Unite regional organiser Harriet Eisner told just-food that even if Eddie Stobart could draft in drivers the strike could still prove a disrupting force for Tesco.
“Stobart will have to bring drivers in for a 48 hour period and they may or may not be able to do that. But there is an issue with Tesco’s warehouse staff. It is a mining community and the warehouse operatives will not want to pass the picket line… They have been threatened with disciplinary action because Tesco obviously want to pressure them to work, but the warehouse operatives could well choose to support the drivers,” Eisner predicted.“”“”“”“”
…the problem is that the warehouse lads are no longer working for the same company as the drivers so why would they support them ? They wouldn’t
Solly:
stevieboy308:
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to me, if you want to make business decisions / policy / strategy, then start your own business, it doesn’t sit with me right, people wanting to dictate how someone else’s is to be run. there are plenty of laws about to stop firms doing anything they want to employees.
Name one of these “Laws” that does as you claim.
the Human Rights Act 1998 which became law in 1998
contains - freedom from slavery and forced labour
any good for ya?
haribo4000:
Well I work for stobarts, fortunately not at Doncaster. I do feel sorry for the Donny drivers, it’s not nice what’s happened and I support whatever action you take. But I’m afraid I will be crossing that there picket line on tuesday. I’ve already been pre warned that I will be ending up at Donny that day, delivering a load in and maybe taking a couple of store runs out. I could have said no and refused it but in all honesty I can’t afford to. I have 3 young children at home that require feeding and clothing. In this current climate every penny counts in my house. So I’m sorry for those that will man the lines and I’m sure that the abuse will be flung as I drive past. But I am just trying to earn a living and keep a roof over my family’s heads. I’m not the one making you redundant. Don’t take it out on me.
I answered a few of your posts when you enquired about car transporter work, well you might have the golden opportunity to transfer over as Stobart now owns Autologic group…but if you cross those picket lines you will be about as welcome as a dose of the clap in the world of cars.
There’s a reason the transporters pay top money, a history of good sensible union negotiating and blokes sticking together…working damned hard i might add…the union didn’t negotiate sitting in the cafe all day with the feet up pay deals, the big money came through shifting serious metal, therefore the company earns money and the drivers.
Good union stewards wear two hats, they look after their blokes and protect them, and they also keep discipline…by not letting p takers ruin the job…p takers and the incompetent are no use to either the company or its well paid and motivated staff…good jobs need protecting from idiot staff as well.
We as working blokes need to watch each others backs its always been like that and why unions were formed in the first place, i’ve read some stupid posts on this thread and some good insightful ones, the management of these fly by night cheap wage operators must be laughing their socks off as they read about blokes already crossing picket lines, before they’ve even been asked.
Divide and rule is the management motto…they should be doing the dividing ( in vain) and meeting stiff resistance from solid blokes who stand together.
If they read this thread i doubt it will be long before these big operators cut the wages of their drivers down to bare minimum wage, why wouldn’t they, from this thread alone they can see envious short sighted new drivers with no backbone stabbing their own mates in the back, they can do what they like with you.
Yip just let the green cancer infect another company with its £7.20 pish this will then infect other companies like asda who have to reduce costs to compete with tesco and general hauliers like malcoms who have to reduce wages to compete with stobarts. Big ■■■■■■■ domino effect!
You make me ■■■■■■■ sick. Soon there will be no decent paid transport jobs why cause you lot are a bunch of backstabbing ■■■■■■■ who would cut your own grannys throat.
If i got offered a tesco core job id bite your hand off, i dont care they drive axors, i dont care they need to drive at 49mph i only care i could give my family a better life because its a rare thing to have a well paid job with good life benefits.
merc0447:
Yip just let the green cancer infect another company with its £7.20 pish this will then infect other companies like asda who have to reduce costs to compete with tesco and general hauliers like malcoms who have to reduce wages to compete with stobarts. Big [zb] domino effect!You make me [zb] sick. Soon there will be no decent paid transport jobs why cause you lot are a bunch of backstabbing ■■■■■■■ who would cut your own grannys throat.
If i got offered a tesco core job id bite your hand off, i dont care they drive axors, i dont care they need to drive at 49mph i only care i could give my family a better life because its a rare thing to have a well paid job with good life benefits.
have you ever used a comparison site?
Solly:
@ Winseer comments^^^^^^Brill post mate.
As Juddian has also pointed out…“Time to grow a pair…” if you want to preserve your jobs and standards of living.
To those who are against unions and their members just think if it hadn’t been for the sacrifices and hardships past generations suffered in the past you wouldn’t have what you have now. Stop being parasites and start thinking and acting.
+1. good post.
merc0447:
Yip just let the green cancer infect another company with its £7.20 pish this will then infect other companies like asda who have to reduce costs to compete with tesco and general hauliers like malcoms who have to reduce wages to compete with stobarts. Big [zb] domino effect!You make me [zb] sick. Soon there will be no decent paid transport jobs why cause you lot are a bunch of backstabbing ■■■■■■■ who would cut your own grannys throat.
If i got offered a tesco core job id bite your hand off, i dont care they drive axors, i dont care they need to drive at 49mph i only care i could give my family a better life because its a rare thing to have a well paid job with good life benefits.
Yeah well some of us do mind 
Tesco is a tish company-deal with it, no all of us want to work for such & be treated like dirt under their shoes, there’s more to life & happiness than money that tesco supposedly pay…!!!
Juddian:
haribo4000:
Well I work for stobarts, fortunately not at Doncaster. I do feel sorry for the Donny drivers, it’s not nice what’s happened and I support whatever action you take. But I’m afraid I will be crossing that there picket line on tuesday. I’ve already been pre warned that I will be ending up at Donny that day, delivering a load in and maybe taking a couple of store runs out. I could have said no and refused it but in all honesty I can’t afford to. I have 3 young children at home that require feeding and clothing. In this current climate every penny counts in my house. So I’m sorry for those that will man the lines and I’m sure that the abuse will be flung as I drive past. But I am just trying to earn a living and keep a roof over my family’s heads. I’m not the one making you redundant. Don’t take it out on me.I answered a few of your posts when you enquired about car transporter work, well you might have the golden opportunity to transfer over as Stobart now owns Autologic group…but if you cross those picket lines you will be about as welcome as a dose of the clap in the world of cars.
There’s a reason the transporters pay top money, a history of good sensible union negotiating and blokes sticking together…working damned hard i might add…the union didn’t negotiate sitting in the cafe all day with the feet up pay deals, the big money came through shifting serious metal, therefore the company earns money and the drivers.
Good union stewards wear two hats, they look after their blokes and protect them, and they also keep discipline…by not letting p takers ruin the job…p takers and the incompetent are no use to either the company or its well paid and motivated staff…good jobs need protecting from idiot staff as well.
We as working blokes need to watch each others backs its always been like that and why unions were formed in the first place, i’ve read some stupid posts on this thread and some good insightful ones, the management of these fly by night cheap wage operators must be laughing their socks off as they read about blokes already crossing picket lines, before they’ve even been asked.Divide and rule is the management motto…they should be doing the dividing ( in vain) and meeting stiff resistance from solid blokes who stand together.
If they read this thread i doubt it will be long before these big operators cut the wages of their drivers down to bare minimum wage, why wouldn’t they, from this thread alone they can see envious short sighted new drivers with no backbone stabbing their own mates in the back, they can do what they like with you.
+1
Top man. Fairness is all that’s needed. Too much ■■■■ taking EITHER way won’t work, can’t work, and ultimately loses even the high ranks within transport firms their very lifeblood business.
Cutting payrolls might save a few quid for a while, but losing contracts to a premier firm who’s lapped up all the top drivers whilst the market was down is going to rip the proverbial guts out of any such chickenshit outfit from top to bottom.