rambo19:
I’m a bus driver, and when you think how many buses there are on the roads in london, it’s very rare for a cyclist to be killed by a bus, why?
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Bus drivers are not paid by the load ?
boredwivdrivin:
Hope he likes porridge
You are quite possibly the most obnoxious little ■■■■ to have ever got membership on here. Have you ever posted something that isn’t self righteous, condescending or just downright ■■■■■■■■? This and your hatred of Daf trucks says to me you are nothing but a failure in this industry. One of those drivers who waltzes into the office on his first day, boasting how good you are and how you are going to change the world.
The reality is that within a week, you’ve wound up everyone in the office, irritated your fellow drivers with your pearls of wisdom, so much so that when the trucks are parked up side by side on a Friday afternoon, the drivers either side of you wont wind their windows down to speak to you. In an RDC you’re the one who nobody wants to sit next to, and if your truck has a cb you’ll discover nobody can hear you speak to them.
Carryfast:
rambo19:
Some interesting comments.What does worry me to a certain degree is how the authorities seem hell bent on always blaming the driver, yes we should always check our mirrors before we turn, but cyclists MUST stop comming up the inside.
Someone mentioned buses;
I’m a bus driver, and when you think how many buses there are on the roads in london, it’s very rare for a cyclist to be killed by a bus, why?
Meanwhile back in the real world.
standard.co.uk/news/transpor … 56452.html
As for why don’t they run over cyclists etc as often as trucks.Maybe because trucks don’t have bodywork that extends to ground level the full length of the vehicle including well ahead of the front axle.
As I said, how many buses in london kill cyclists?, very few.
Sadly, most of the tipper/skip drivers I come across drive like maniacs.
Wardaddy : calm down dear !!
Im sorry ive so upset u with my comments .
But i just cant help hating Dafs . they are uncomfortable with almost crinally negligent visibility . wot is the point of putting stoooopud n/s corner mirrors on a truck that has such limited visibility out main mirror , and near forward vision ■■
Along time ago i challenged another Daf lover to post a pic of his car parked alonside , viewed through main mirror .
Im still waiting
Now i dont want any thanks for the amount of lives ive saved , by raising this issue with Daf lovers , who through stooopidity seem to have been completely unaware !!
Some thinking mirrors good because they can see shovel driver waving at then . the poor little loves .
No thanks im not after …
But a bit of gratitude surely ■■
Wardaddy:
boredwivdrivin:
Hope he likes porridgeYou are quite possibly the most obnoxious little [zb] to have ever got membership on here. Have you ever posted something that isn’t self righteous, condescending or just downright ■■■■■■■■? This and your hatred of Daf trucks says to me you are nothing but a failure in this industry. One of those drivers who waltzes into the office on his first day, boasting how good you are and how you are going to change the world.
The reality is that within a week, you’ve wound up everyone in the office, irritated your fellow drivers with your pearls of wisdom, so much so that when the trucks are parked up side by side on a Friday afternoon, the drivers either side of you wont wind their windows down to speak to you. In an RDC you’re the one who nobody wants to sit next to, and if your truck has a cb you’ll discover nobody can hear you speak to them.
boredwivdrivin:
But i just cant help hating Dafs . wot is the point of putting stoooopud n/s corner mirrors on a truck that has such limited visibility out main mirror
I think I’ve established previously that the problem is more an issue of the mirror outset on all narrow cabs v full width ones.
In which case narrow cabs should be banned with only full width ones being allowed.In that regard there was certainly never any mirror issues with the 2800 or 95 etc. 
boredwivdrivin:
Wardaddy : calm down dear !!Im sorry ive so upset u with my comments .
But i just cant help hating Dafs . they are uncomfortable with almost crinally negligent visibility . wot is the point of putting stoooopud n/s corner mirrors on a truck that has such limited visibility out main mirror , and near forward vision ■■
Along time ago i challenged another Daf lover to post a pic of his car parked alonside , viewed through main mirror .
Im still waiting
Now i dont want any thanks for the amount of lives ive saved , by raising this issue with Daf lovers , who through stooopidity seem to have been completely unaware !!
Some thinking mirrors good because they can see shovel driver waving at then . the poor little loves .
No thanks im not after …
But a bit of gratitude surely ■■
There is a very definite and scientific reason XF mirrors are to be considered poor and even more amazing if they’re still manufactured that way. Subtle parallax and perspective distortion. Both traits aren’t linear. If it was overt distortion it would be more predictable to view the demarcation point when the image can be relied upon. For prime mirrors used for reversing, the bizarre subtle distortion that is applied to the lower third of the main mirrors is an example of complete idiocy in design and testing over real use. The human brain is programmed in it’s world to view straight lines disappearing to infinity at a set rate of closure. If you distort that in a non linear way then you’re robbing the mind of creating an intuitive mental model. Crap poor design that’s quite rare amongst other trucks. It degrades situational awareness in reversing for the benefit of SA when going forward when secondary mirrors would be best used for this purpose. Other than that an OK Lorry.
Freight Dog:
There is a very definite and scientific reason XF mirrors are to be considered poor and even more amazing if they’re still manufactured that way. Subtle parallax and perspective distortion. Both traits aren’t linear. If it was overt distortion it would be more predictable to view the demarcation point when the image can be relied upon. For prime mirrors used for reversing, the bizarre subtle distortion that is applied to the lower third of the main mirrors is an example of complete idiocy in design and testing over real use. The human brain is programmed in it’s world to view straight lines disappearing to infinity at a set rate of closure. If you distort that in a non linear way then you’re robbing the mind of creating an intuitive mental model. Crap poor design that’s quite rare amongst other trucks. It degrades situational awareness in reversing for the benefit of SA when going forward when secondary mirrors would be best used for this purpose. Other than that an OK Lorry.
I didn’t drive the XF but the 2800 and 95 had the usual big square convex main mirrors which were ok.What have they done with the XF ones. 
On that note they still aren’t keen on convex mirrors at all across the Atlantic with warnings concerning distortion as opposed to flat glass.While they also make sure that the arms have a long enough outset to see along the side of the vehicle in the case of narrow cabs.
Carryfast:
Freight Dog:
There is a very definite and scientific reason XF mirrors are to be considered poor and even more amazing if they’re still manufactured that way. Subtle parallax and perspective distortion. Both traits aren’t linear. If it was overt distortion it would be more predictable to view the demarcation point when the image can be relied upon. For prime mirrors used for reversing, the bizarre subtle distortion that is applied to the lower third of the main mirrors is an example of complete idiocy in design and testing over real use. The human brain is programmed in it’s world to view straight lines disappearing to infinity at a set rate of closure. If you distort that in a non linear way then you’re robbing the mind of creating an intuitive mental model. Crap poor design that’s quite rare amongst other trucks. It degrades situational awareness in reversing for the benefit of SA when going forward when secondary mirrors would be best used for this purpose. Other than that an OK Lorry.I didn’t drive the XF but the 2800 and 95 had the usual big square convex main mirrors which were ok.What have they done with the XF ones.
On that note they still aren’t keen on convex mirrors at all across the Atlantic with warnings concerning distortion as opposed to flat glass.While they also make sure that the arms have a long enough outset to see along the side of the vehicle in the case of narrow cabs.
They’re bizarre. It’s a subtle and not at all a predictable distortion and is through both X and Y axis at a bizarre rate of diversion through the lower third compared to solely vertical angular distortion as you might see on an old Scania mirror. They must have been smoking spliffs. No other modern lorry I tried (briefly) suffered to the same extent, although the hideous trend seemed to be to use some sort of distortion on the main rather than limit this image distortion to the wide angles where I personally feel it belongs. Blame Boris et al and his ilk for that I suppose. They don’t care about you damaging a dock reversing in the dark between two parallel lines as its on private land, all they care about is forward motion SA on the highway and main mirror seems now to be compromised to some extent. A lot of manufacturers tick this bitter box better and more predictably than DAF.
I know what you mean, I drove a 95 too, was in the era when lorries had main mirrors that served the purpose to show a clear and true image at least in the vertical sense, using the wide angle mirrors to increase wider SA
Well its not just bend of mirror thats problem , or the length of arm .
They also the wrong way round , poorly positioned , the actual door aperture being too small , the quarter light ( in all but newest ) obscures …
In fact a case study in what SHOULD be outlawed by EU in mirror design .
And of course near forward vision is obscured by strange center dash design and relatively small high set windscreen
Other than those things and poor comfort ( wheel & seats ) id be delighted to drive a DAF .
The mattress is great and big bottle holders handy
boredwivdrivin:
Well its not just bend of mirror thats problem , or the length of arm .They also the wrong way round , poorly positioned , the actual door aperture being too small , the quarter light ( in all but newest ) obscures …
In fact a case study in what SHOULD be outlawed by EU in mirror design .
And of course near forward vision is obscured by strange center dash design and relatively small high set windscreen
Other than those things and poor comfort ( wheel & seats ) id be delighted to drive a DAF .
The mattress is great and big bottle holders handy
I’m not sure what you mean by ‘wrong way round’ but I always made sure that the ones I had with the wide angle at the top were reversed to put it below the main.
Other than that and the excessively narrow inset on narrow cabs and the really silly little square or round ones on the very early types I don’t remember much aggro with mirrors.With even the early flat glass types on primitive arms like the older version Clydesdale usually being fitted with two at least on the nearside.But close forward view was/is always going to be compromised,especially with high cabs and is just something that has to be dealt with.
As for modern designs who knows luckily I’ve not been involved with any but it sounds mad from the descriptions.On that note I’ve been driving the latest Zafira and yes the mirrors are too high and too inset to get any view whatsoever close and low around the sides of the thing.While the dash puts enough reflections into the windscreen to totally hide things ahead on a bright sunlit day.So if they can’t even get a modern car right what chance have they got with modern trucks. 
‘Wrong way round’ meaning , as u guessed main mirror at top .
Now its not as easy as you suppose to sort .
Firstly the electrical connection for mirror heater wont reach the top position .
But more importantly : the daf dealers wont let u do it !!!
And when i did do it to an 85 ( one of first ever built ) they swapped it back and charged firm for labour !
Ho hum . with an XF you get wot you pay for …
A Seddon Atkinson Strato Cruiser with a pod glued on roof , a better motor and a worse gearbox
boredwivdrivin:
The mattress is great and big bottle holders handy
That’s good because I turn to drink and fall asleep when reading your posts.
Maybe im just your nightmare love .
Try cutting back on the chocolate and coffee …
…and reading my comments so thoroughly before bedtime .■■
boredwivdrivin:
Maybe im just your nightmare love .Try cutting back on the chocolate and coffee …
…and reading my comments so thoroughly before bedtime .■■
Do you not dress as a woman and post as Dieseldoforme anymore?
Anyway I saw a new Smiths Daf 8wheeler tipper today. Had all the hug a cyclist stuff stuck onto it, but it still had the same style mirrors.
Sorry to bring bad news, hope your mascara hasn’t run too much, but just remember to sit down when you have a ■■■■. It looks much more convincing. 