bigr250:
When we used to load at Repsol in Tarragona with pallets of plastic granuals, they wouldn’t load you on a bay if you didn’t have ‘tilt boards’ in particular they were looking for the (floor level) bottom ones!! It seems they think the boards make it safer for the forklift driver, obviously they would stop the fork truck from going through the side if the driver got it wrong!!
They would send us to a painted rectangle on an open area and load through the sides?
Ross.
I don’t know the legalities of it either.
The practicalities of tilt boards are that ^ though.
Many German companies in particular have become so used to tilt boards over the years that they will not load trailers that don’t have a set of at least 32 boards.
Most new Euro-liners come with a set of aluminium boards in them, rather than wooden ones.
Wooden boards are a cheaper replacement for damaged beyond use or lost alli boards though.
I don’t think any number of boards will stop a forklift going over the side, but the clatter of pallet against boards might alert the forky before its too late.
Nobody has mentioned the fact, that to my knowledge, a tilt is still the only fabric sided trl that you can get a gv60 on, and therefore can get a customs seal on it.
richmond:
Nobody has mentioned the fact, that to my knowledge, a tilt is still the only fabric sided trl that you can get a gv60 on, and therefore can get a customs seal on it.
Absolutely, and anyone who’s used a tilt (& closed the tail flap properly) will know all tilt joints are ‘double flap’ so no way through for hands etc, so I take it when you take a curtainsider to Doha you run ‘open TIR’ then?
richmond:
Nobody has mentioned the fact, that to my knowledge, a tilt is still the only fabric sided trl that you can get a gv60 on, and therefore can get a customs seal on it.
Isn’t it that you shouldn’t be able to insert a rolled up fiver if the tilt is sealed properly for TIR?
The guy who taught my Int CPC loved telling us that.
richmond:
Nobody has mentioned the fact, that to my knowledge, a tilt is still the only fabric sided trl that you can get a gv60 on, and therefore can get a customs seal on it.
Absolutely, and anyone who’s used a tilt (& closed the tail flap properly) will know all tilt joints are ‘double flap’ so no way through for hands etc, so I take it when you take a curtainsider to Doha you run ‘open TIR’ then?
To my knowledge, i do not know of anybody getting a …proper, gv60. on a curtain sider, can anybody on here actually prove me differant? But not a mickey one, a proper one !
richmond:
To my knowledge, i do not know of anybody getting a …proper, gv60. on a curtain sider, can anybody on here actually prove me differant? But not a mickey one, a proper one !
Unless they’ve changed the rules since 1989 there’s no way any curtainsider, euroliner or otherwise, could pass a GV60. I took my tilt for a GV60 back then and the put a man inside, fully laced the thing up & if ANY light from outside was visible inside it would fail, with a stiff cross breeze a curtainsiders top pelmet will lift and in streams the light, same with the sides of the sliding roof.
I fully understand about them being approved for customs seal, but (as I said) unless the GV60 rules have changed, you won’t get one on a curtainsider.
richmond:
To my knowledge, i do not know of anybody getting a …proper, gv60. on a curtain sider, can anybody on here actually prove me differant? But not a mickey one, a proper one !
Unless they’ve changed the rules since 1989 there’s no way any curtainsider, euroliner or otherwise, could pass a GV60. I took my tilt for a GV60 back then and the put a man inside, fully laced the thing up & if ANY light from outside was visible inside it would fail, with a stiff cross breeze a curtainsiders top pelmet will lift and in streams the light, same with the sides of the sliding roof.
I fully understand about them being approved for customs seal, but (as I said) unless the GV60 rules have changed, you won’t get one on a curtainsider.
Ross.
I have sent Karl a 364 page TIR Handbook. I will let him find the page about curtainsiders
bigr250:
I fully understand about them being approved for customs seal, but (as I said) unless the GV60 rules have changed, you won’t get one on a curtainsider.
Ross.
I have sent Karl a 364 page TIR Handbook. I will let him find the page about curtainsiders
I’ve read the pages you posted on here Malc and I don’t for one second doubt what’s written about the TIR convention, my point was only about a ‘GV60’ and the fact that a curtainsider couldn’t pass the test my old tilt went through in 1989. I noted that no mention was made of a GV60 in the script you posted so possibly this has been dropped in favour of the wording of the type of container required for TIR sealing in document you posted?
All our Hungarian and Romanian registered trailers at Transalliance were either Schmitz or Trailor and were covered by a French GV60. Transalliance Belgium also had tilts and euroliners to that Spec. I understand what you are saying about a typical UK built curtainsider, and it even mentions that in Business Link.
You should also be aware that although the TIR handbook describes standards for compliant curtainsided vehicles, normal curtainsiders commercially available in Britain are not constructed to the TIR standard and cannot practically be modified to comply. The TIR curtainsider described is a vehicle that has to be constructed from the outset to the specific design.
One major difference with these trailers were that they used galvanised steel tilt boards on the bottom row, to prevent sticky little fingers, others had short side doors like a tilt body.
AlexWignall:
The uprights on the Krone Euroliners I worked on last year were easily as stable as the uprights on the UK style Curtainsiders I work with now. At least it was a fair attempt at an explanation for the ‘tilt boards’.
My own theory is that the Euroliners are so flimsy that they need the boards to make the thing more stable but I have yet to see any ‘Coffeeholic’ style proof that fitting them is a legal requirement or that my theory is right. I would of thought that might be useful information for JD as well as satisfying my curiosity.
W
I think as you used an IBC load as an example, I have used this photo that Dinosteveus posted to show why tilt boards are still necessary on modern sliding roof trailers, they hold the support posts perpendicular to the bed which in turn hold up the roof. Straps over the IBC frames secures the cargo.
Turkey is now implementing digital tachos,even though they are not in the EU,i saw random police check points every 30 miles or so,they have the Jendarm as well,milatary uniforms,macine guns.
They are an AETR country with different tacho rules.
toby, why does it worry you that turkey are getting digi tachos? you’ve posted it a few times but i don’t see what the problem is?
maybe the powers that be think that digitachos will improve safety in turkey, maybe digitachos are used in other nonEU countries its not an exclusive EU thing
It is no problem or a worry for me about Turkey,it seems they are thriving without the forthcoming euro,i dont think they need that,as the agricultural side of exports is doing ok,inland houses and new flats being built up fast,new cars all over the place,and modern trucks,with the money coming in from the tourists on the coastal areas,they are ticking over steady over there.
toby1234abc:
They are an AETR country with different tacho rules.
They now have the same tacho rules.
They had the same tacho rules as EU had when we were on paper tachos too. They simply don’t implement them at exactly the same time as us, so there’s a few years while the rules are slightly different.
So for a while, you could still do 30 then 15 (or 3 x 15) minute breaks for your 45 mins, and 4 plus 8 hours for your rest on a journey involving an AETR country, but not any more.
Switzerland is also an AETR country btw.
