or could move to America work for wallmart. there offering huge pay rises 90k usa dollars a year and advertising campaigns due to driver shortage and lack of interest
Hey, I posted that 4 hours ago 
manski:
or could move to America work for wallmart. there offering huge pay rises 90k usa dollars a year and advertising campaigns due to driver shortage and lack of interest
Hey, I posted that 4 hours ago
Indeed you did
or could move to America work for wallmart. there offering huge pay rises 90k usa dollars a year and advertising campaigns due to driver shortage and lack of interest
Poor annual holiday entitlement, need own health care and of course trumpy baby!
WhiteTruckMan:
manalishi:
Conor:
adam277:
But Reginald is a tramper and has to eat at the overpriced MSA so he is using his night out money for what it is intended for and doesn’t hoard it so he gets £20 a day night out allowance so let’s deduct that.
(For simplicity I just deducted about 5k a year off his wage for night out allowance)Why did you deduct it from his wage when he would be paid night out money in addition to his salary?
If you’re on £30k a year doing those hours then you seriously need to change your employer as that’s 7.5t money.
Darkside:
Reginald has financed his life to reflect his £35K.He is stuck doing this job now, as he doesn’t have the skills or time to do the training to get new skills, and can only go to another job that pays £35K.
Reginald has plenty of time when sat waiting to get tipped or loaded and on a night time once he’s parked up to do an Open University degree.
Interesting point,re open university degree but does possession of an ou degree really translate to a better career in reality?
Speaking as someone who actually has an OU degree (done from the cab years ago when I was a tramper) it’s a definite no!. If anything, it’s a definite hindrance. I did mine for the joy of learning, not advancement though, but jobs wanting a degree use usually seriously crap wages and I was competing with kids willing to work for peanuts to get a foot in the door, whereas I had a mortgage and family to feed. But when looking for driving jobs I soon realized interviewers thought I was too overqualified, and moved onto the next knuckledragger in the queue, so I stopped mentioning it.
I was talking to a driver trainer the other week and he said he didnt like people who knew to much, ie threatend him mentally!
Don’t forget the lorry driver will likely be paying a couple of grand every 5 years to maintain his licence, especially if he has ADR , Hiab etc . That is on top of his original training costs .
As many have already mentioned if the true hourly rate is worked out then the rate for most truck drivers is miserable, often below £10 per hour .
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WhiteTruckMan:
manalishi:
Conor:
adam277:
But Reginald is a tramper and has to eat at the overpriced MSA so he is using his night out money for what it is intended for and doesn’t hoard it so he gets £20 a day night out allowance so let’s deduct that.
(For simplicity I just deducted about 5k a year off his wage for night out allowance)Why did you deduct it from his wage when he would be paid night out money in addition to his salary?
If you’re on £30k a year doing those hours then you seriously need to change your employer as that’s 7.5t money.
Darkside:
Reginald has financed his life to reflect his £35K.He is stuck doing this job now, as he doesn’t have the skills or time to do the training to get new skills, and can only go to another job that pays £35K.
Reginald has plenty of time when sat waiting to get tipped or loaded and on a night time once he’s parked up to do an Open University degree.
Interesting point,re open university degree but does possession of an ou degree really translate to a better career in reality?
Speaking as someone who actually has an OU degree (done from the cab years ago when I was a tramper) it’s a definite no!. If anything, it’s a definite hindrance. I did mine for the joy of learning, not advancement though, but jobs wanting a degree use usually seriously crap wages and I was competing with kids willing to work for peanuts to get a foot in the door, whereas I had a mortgage and family to feed. But when looking for driving jobs I soon realized interviewers thought I was too overqualified, and moved onto the next knuckledragger in the queue, so I stopped mentioning it.
Kind of what I was suspecting,although I admire and respect anyone who chooses the ou route to improve their circumstances,I guess if you already have a foundation in any other trade,it makes sense to improve things via the fine auspices of the OU.
So many unhappy truckers
Makes me wonder why they still do it 
Everyone seems to view everybody else’s profession as some kind of utopia, my other half is a civil servant with a union (in the civil service union reps are for whatever reason particularly weak at highlighting bad practice) who would say that they are right up there with decent working conditions and rights, however she hates it not so much the job but the way things are done and how middle management can destroy all the office moral in one foul swoop, in an office environment one jobsworth as a manager can turn a decent environment into a hell hole as an example no radios are allowed in her office because they don’t have a performing rights licence(not only in haulage do managers mis- interpretate the law) . The current jobsworth has been off with stress (ironic when she spends her day stressing everybody else out)for the last month and the atmosphere is back to how it was before she arrived and the other half gets paid the massive salary of £22,000 gross after 10 years service so all is not rosy outside of the haulage game.
Get a decent job in haulage and things are not so bad, no office politics no need to speak to anyone from one day to the next if you wish and listen to whatever you want all day and sing along badly too with no complaints
commonrail:
So many unhappy truckersMakes me wonder why they still do it
Because the moaners always shout the loudest anyone who has no beef gets on and gets the job done
I think the pay part is only one bit of the equation, what value do you put on seeing your kids every day? Do you enjoy the company of your partner? How much did your divorce cost you? For me it cost a house and I now rent because I’m too old for a mortgage, so before I start I need around £700 per month just to keep a roof over my head, not started with the bills or food…
I have lived in the cab and it’s an existence, I’m trying to move away from the events area where I work and find a day job if possible, but jesus! the pay is shocking!
I’d like to know what other ‘PROFESSIONAL’ job pays just over a tenner per hour and has government agencies specifically tasked to find the least little mistake you make and then fine you, You’re expected to put up with near zero services (toilets washing facilities etc) pay to take your legally required rest period, regarded as an inconvenience on the road by the majority of the public, spend your working week basically alone in the cab, it’s not far from a prison on wheels!
If I could do something that would get me out of this rut I would, but unfortunately, I’m like most other people, a wage slave!
Mazzer2:
Everyone seems to view everybody else’s profession as some kind of utopia, my other half is a civil servant with a union (in the civil service union reps are for whatever reason particularly weak at highlighting bad practice) who would say that they are right up there with decent working conditions and rights, however she hates it not so much the job but the way things are done and how middle management can destroy all the office moral in one foul swoop, in an office environment one jobsworth as a manager can turn a decent environment into a hell hole as an example no radios are allowed in her office because they don’t have a performing rights licence(not only in haulage do managers mis- interpretate the law) . The current jobsworth has been off with stress (ironic when she spends her day stressing everybody else out)for the last month and the atmosphere is back to how it was before she arrived and the other half gets paid the massive salary of £22,000 gross after 10 years service so all is not rosy outside of the haulage game.Get a decent job in haulage and things are not so bad, no office politics no need to speak to anyone from one day to the next if you wish and listen to whatever you want all day and sing along badly too with no complaints
Amen to tat pilgrim.
noisycarl:
I think the pay part is only one bit of the equation, what value do you put on seeing your kids every day? Do you enjoy the company of your partner? How much did your divorce cost you? For me it cost a house and I now rent because I’m too old for a mortgage, so before I start I need around £700 per month just to keep a roof over my head, not started with the bills or food…
I have lived in the cab and it’s an existence, I’m trying to move away from the events area where I work and find a day job if possible, but jesus! the pay is shocking!
I’d like to know what other ‘PROFESSIONAL’ job pays just over a tenner per hour and has government agencies specifically tasked to find the least little mistake you make and then fine you, You’re expected to put up with near zero services (toilets washing facilities etc) pay to take your legally required rest period, regarded as an inconvenience on the road by the majority of the public, spend your working week basically alone in the cab, it’s not far from a prison on wheels!
If I could do something that would get me out of this rut I would, but unfortunately, I’m like most other people, a wage slave!
And when the banksters pull their next economy,crashing stunt,in time honoured fashion,a wage slave won’t look too bad a position,if were spared.
manalishi:
noisycarl:
I think the pay part is only one bit of the equation, what value do you put on seeing your kids every day? Do you enjoy the company of your partner? How much did your divorce cost you? For me it cost a house and I now rent because I’m too old for a mortgage, so before I start I need around £700 per month just to keep a roof over my head, not started with the bills or food…
I have lived in the cab and it’s an existence, I’m trying to move away from the events area where I work and find a day job if possible, but jesus! the pay is shocking!
I’d like to know what other ‘PROFESSIONAL’ job pays just over a tenner per hour and has government agencies specifically tasked to find the least little mistake you make and then fine you, You’re expected to put up with near zero services (toilets washing facilities etc) pay to take your legally required rest period, regarded as an inconvenience on the road by the majority of the public, spend your working week basically alone in the cab, it’s not far from a prison on wheels!
If I could do something that would get me out of this rut I would, but unfortunately, I’m like most other people, a wage slave!And when the banksters pull their next economy,crashing stunt,in time honoured fashion,a wage slave won’t look too bad a position,if were spared.
The rich always survive, If you crash a truck you get sacked, if you crash an economy you get a bonus! Go figure 
If what we’re doing is comparing wages, I think you’re all making it un-necessarily complicated.
Think…what does that guy get for 40 hrs then think what would I get for 40 hrs.
Easy as that. All this night out money as wages is nonsense.
cheekymonkey:
If what we’re doing is comparing wages, I think you’re all making it un-necessarily complicated.
Think…what does that guy get for 40 hrs then think what would I get for 40 hrs.
Easy as that. All this night out money as wages is nonsense.
Peanuts is what the answer is with no benefits
But if you go by 60 or more hours it turns into buttons
cheekymonkey:
If what we’re doing is comparing wages, I think you’re all making it un-necessarily complicated.
Think…what does that guy get for 40 hrs then think what would I get for 40 hrs.
Easy as that. All this night out money as wages is nonsense.
Oddly enough, that £30k for 40 hours a week without doing nights out etc is exactly what I get.
Roymondo:
cheekymonkey:
If what we’re doing is comparing wages, I think you’re all making it un-necessarily complicated.
Think…what does that guy get for 40 hrs then think what would I get for 40 hrs.
Easy as that. All this night out money as wages is nonsense.Oddly enough, that £30k for 40 hours a week without doing nights out etc is exactly what I get.
Congratulations 
(Just for balance btw, I wouldn’t put my boots on for £30k 
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commonrail:
So many unhappy truckersMakes me wonder why they still do it
As my old boss used to say, the time to worry is when drivers STOP moaning.
If this job were “only about the money” and nothing else - we’d all be agency, and all queuing up to work at Stobarts and Royal Mail, where you get the decent work AND the decent hourly rates.
For many though - there are other considerations than the hourly rate/easy work.
(1) Decent Kit
(2) Work yard close to where they live
(3) Offers a shift/working week pattern they like, eg. 4 shift week or start times to suit
(4) The job gets you to meet people that expands and enhances your social life, Eg. delivering Ann Summers products, arriving in the middle of the night, where local gaffer is a decent looking bird who insists upon “not using the company products…”
(5) No other jobs in the area
(6) Other staff are friendly, rather than backbiting or would grass you up if you even tried to use the toilets when not on official break…
(7) You get decent company benefits, like “money off staff purchases”
(8) The drives and the shifts themselves are not too long, so you don’t have any issues with fatigue.
(9) You’’ still have a job at this particular yard, post-Brexit.
^^^^
One of my considerations is: Is the job interesting? It’s why I don’t work for supermarkets 