skids:
The basic hourly rate is about the going rate IMO. The bank holiday rate is very bad though (unless there is a day in lieu on top). The nights rate could be a little more and next to nothing extra for nights on a weekend?
If you don’t like it then you don’t have to work there of course.
Is £7.60 really the “going basic hourly rate”? 
You are right,i dont have to work there.thank ■■■■.
OVLOV JAY:
Why do people say this doesn’t count and that doesn’t count. All the allowances are there to keep the tax down. I’ve had phone allowances in the past, never had to use my own phone, laundry allowances, never once said to my wife “and this fiver is for my washing” and I definitely don’t spend £50 a week on food at work. As long as my take home pay is north of £550 a week, I don’t really care how it’s worded on my pay slip
That was always my philosophy 
It would be nice if we could earn the 550 and then get night out money/expenses etc on top, but unfortunately for me, I’ve always lived in the real world
Winseer:
Giving someone a tax-free allowance without the worker being asked to provide receipts for meals paid for sounds a bit dodgy too don’t it…Lemme see… 5 days x 48 working weeks @ £13 TAX FREE per day (which should be decided by HMRC rather than the employer!) means you might well get a tax bill on £3120 come the year’s end.
those tax free allowance would of already been cleared with hmrc so you wouldn’t get a tax bill at the end of the year, i worked for one company 12 yrs ago and we got i think then £8 per day meal allowance, never have to supply receipts to get them, and that was on top of our night out money. so nothing dodgy about it, its more common than you think and been around for years. when we first got it we were shown a letter for hmrc or as it was then our local tax office listing all the tax free allowances that the company could pay us if they wanted too 
Davyboy:
Winseer:
…So this is what they mean by “According to Eddie Stobart’s Rates of Pay”?!Giving someone a tax-free allowance without the worker being asked to provide receipts for meals paid for sounds a bit dodgy too don’t it…
Lemme see… 5 days x 48 working weeks @ £13 TAX FREE per day (which should be decided by HMRC rather than the employer!) means you might well get a tax bill on £3120 come the year’s end.
nBest stay up in Carlisle I suppose. All the while there are people in that neck of the woods prepared to indenture themselves to keep the business going, they’ll ot be much change to the industry up north in general.
Around here, .com drivers, bin men, and shelf stackers all get higher rates of pay as a BASIC than this with the so-called allowances stuck on!
yeah,i’d really love to live in the overcrowded rat race that is south east england and make “loadsamoney”,how much are houses down there again
I’d say that southern towns are no more overcrowded than northern ones. What’s different is you don’t have to drive 50 miles across the country moors to get to the NEXT town where the work might be yes?
In the last 6 months of this year so far, I’ve done a whole ONE shift in my own town as agency. There’s naff all work around here, and Medway is Chatham, Gillingham, Strood, Rainham, Rochester, & Hoo all bolted together.
Most of my work has been out of Aylesford, Dartford, & Sittingbourne - The next towns right out of this one. The good bit is that “across country” in this “overcrowded” area only means a drive of about 10 miles. Living in wide open spaces is great if you’ve got the money, but if you’re a working man you are really better off in an area with closer-together towns I reckon.
As far as houses are concerned, the expensive ones are where the work is, Medway is mostly towns of benefit claimants, workshy, single mothers, and council housing of some form or other. Businesses are reluctant to set up here beyond retail outlets it seems. The local transport firms are basically Tiphook (administration) Salversons (taken over by Dressingtables) and Swains (fine if you like old fashioned haulage work)
There’s no “loadsamoney” - indeed, wages have been stagnant @ around £10ph for a decade already! There’s a few firms that try and get some third division drivers on their books for less, but the nature of the economic beast these days is more about ducking and diving the slings and arrows of outrageous Tory voters than anything else.
Tax wise, HMRC have told me themselves that they intend clamping down on many loopholes, including IR35 and non-receipted “allowances” which presumably means meal rather than mileage allowances.
As for night out money - surely if it were as simple as it being tax free carte blanche, then all firms would scrap their night shift allowances, and have you stop out every other night to improve pay for the worker by making some of their money tax free, AND saving them a round trip to work?
Has anyone ever performed what might be called “Semi Tramping”?
Go to work monday, stay out at depot other end of the country, come home Tuesday. Rinse and repeat in blocks of 2 days whenever firm wants to set you up for…
Paul-H:
For some unknown reason someone left this in one of our depots late last week, so I thought I might take a photo and let the ‘world’ see the wonderful pay rates for Eddie Stobbart. The pay is absolutely atrocious in my opinion, even though it can be made up with allowances it is still pretty cr*p. For gods sake pay a decent wage, I was getting more than that driving a sprinter Van for Sainsburys a few years ago. Ah but you do get a new Unit every few years.
What gives you the right to post that on a public forum for the “World” to see?
Very distasteful in my opinion.
If I was your employer I would be concerned that you might reveal some of my confidential information.
If we’re to have a free market society, then part of that is to tell crap pay and/or conditions for what it is.
If there are say, 10 employers of which 9 pay the going rate, and the 10th pays a lot less, then only publicly available information makes the difference between a prospective employee making a mistake out of ignorance - which of course is what working for number 10 would end up being.
Employers wish to know everything about those that intend to drive their vehicles, so it’s only fair that prospective employees should be able to save fuel, time, effort, and money by not chasing after jobs that if you knew the T&Cs in advance they wouldn’t look twice at.
Because some firms pay a salary, and some pay by the hour, you can roughly use a common denominator to make all jobs comparable with each other - by converting all jobs into a “net hourly rate”.
Your time spent “working” starts when you walk out of your front door, and ends when you walk back in it again.
Thus, if you work a 12 hour shift, and commute 30 minutes each way to work, then a payment per shift of £130 equals a net hourly rate of £10 per hour.
A monday to thursday weekly pay of £520 also equals £10 per hour. (same shift pattern)
An annual salary of £27,040 with no need to ever work friday-sunday would also work out at £10 per hour.
If, on the other hand one boasts of a £520 per week pay packet that involves that same 30 minute commute, 4 x 12 hours paid, and 4 x 3 hours unpaid POA - let alone 9-13 hours per day unpaid as a tramper on daily rest - then you’ve really got to ask yourself the question of “Do I like being at work more than I like being at home with my family”?
Walking out of one’s residence at the start of day 1, and returning at the end of day 4 involves an hourly rate of around £5.41 which is considered “crap” south of Watford Gap it has to be said. 5 & 6 day weeks can make matters worse, especially if you have a long commute to get to work.
DieselDemon:
Paul-H:
For some unknown reason someone left this in one of our depots late last week, so I thought I might take a photo and let the ‘world’ see the wonderful pay rates for Eddie Stobbart. The pay is absolutely atrocious in my opinion, even though it can be made up with allowances it is still pretty cr*p. For gods sake pay a decent wage, I was getting more than that driving a sprinter Van for Sainsburys a few years ago. Ah but you do get a new Unit every few years.What gives you the right to post that on a public forum for the “World” to see?
Very distasteful in my opinion.
If I was your employer I would be concerned that you might reveal some of my confidential information.
Are there many jobs in communist China with your company then?
The pay rates do not have any confidential information on them
that list of rates has been shown on another forum for some time now…its no secret…and just to let you know after an interview today i was offered a job on pay rates that makes stobarts rates look good…welcome to the real world.
Rather than blindly join the haters, why doesnt someone post the pay rates of some of the other big firms, Norberts, wincanton, DHL, maritime etc…
And yes, the rates are crap, but a crap job is better than no job.
If it wasnt for the rise in agencies, there’d be more full time jobs and the influx of foreign labour willing to work for the minimum wage has brought the wages down over the years.
its better than sitting at home with your finger up your ■■■ while admiring your giro
Winseer:
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Giving someone a tax-free allowance without the worker being asked to provide receipts for meals paid for sounds a bit dodgy too don’t it…
No it doesn’t, the company makes a declaration to HMRC and everybody is happy, cuts down on paperwork, standard practice.
Reaper KH:
its better than sitting at home with your finger up your ■■■
don’t knock it. 
DieselDemon:
Paul-H:
For some unknown reason someone left this in one of our depots late last week, so I thought I might take a photo and let the ‘world’ see the wonderful pay rates for Eddie Stobbart. The pay is absolutely atrocious in my opinion, even though it can be made up with allowances it is still pretty cr*p. For gods sake pay a decent wage, I was getting more than that driving a sprinter Van for Sainsburys a few years ago. Ah but you do get a new Unit every few years.What gives you the right to post that on a public forum for the “World” to see?
Very distasteful in my opinion.
If I was your employer I would be concerned that you might reveal some of my confidential information.
how the hell is showing a companies wage revealing confidential info some people really have issues I dont see why stobarts make it such a secret thing anyways.
Stobarts not a bad wage at all to be fair. I would struggle to find anything that pays more where I live. unless I wanted to work away all week of course, and then I would get an extra £100. so im happy with taking £500 a week home for 60 hrs
If you work for Stobarts, you know what you get paid. If you don’t why would you be interested?
A for winseer, please stay down south, because you are one of the most tedious arses on this forum. And that is no mean feat.
Not a problem. I’ve never been to Scotland, and have no intention of ever going there. I went as far north as Carlisle once, but even the Bookmakers are on the fiddle up there, so as far as I’m concerned, I’ll stick to the part of the country that plays it straight, gets all the work, and doesn’t believe in indenturing themselves over working class pride.
Don’t get me wrong - I’m all for Scottish Devolution - We’d save a lot more at Westminster with no more UB40 & NHS handouts in the Edinburgh districts alone (Let alone the G postcodes!) than we’d lose with the oil field revenues, so maybe my English taxes might drop even further once that huge drain is off the treasury books eh? 
Winseer:
Not a problem. I’ve never been to Scotland, and have no intention of ever going there. I went as far north as Carlisle once, but even the Bookmakers are on the fiddle up there, so as far as I’m concerned, I’ll stick to the part of the country that plays it straight, gets all the work, and doesn’t believe in indenturing themselves over working class pride.Don’t get me wrong - I’m all for Scottish Devolution - We’d save a lot more at Westminster with no more UB40 & NHS handouts in the Edinburgh districts alone (Let alone the G postcodes!) than we’d lose with the oil field revenues, so maybe my English taxes might drop even further once that huge drain is off the treasury books eh?
oh how original,the old “jocks are all dole scroungers” myth,yeah,whatever 
we don’t really want any more gobs[zb] southerners up here,judging by the number of refugee english people fleeing the overcrowded crime ridden cesspools of the south east to move north it cant be that great down there,i’ll stick to the wide open spaces up here thanks,i’ve spent 20yrs travelling through and into the south east and there is ABSOLUTLEY NOTHING that could attract me to live there so i’ll just continue to scratch a living on my meagre £10p/hour i’m earning up here in the frozen north,of course my tenner will go a lot further than yours in the price inflated south
John Dickinson Transport of Winston, near Darlington, were paying me £22.50 night out money in 1998.
Now, 14 years later, Stobart have just upped their rate to match it 
Winseer:
We’d save a lot more at Westminster with no more UB40 & NHS handouts in the Edinburgh districts alone (Let alone the G postcodes!) than we’d lose with the oil field revenues,
Are you for real?
In 2009, BP alone paid the UK government £5.8 BILLION in corporate tax.
That tax would be paid to Scotland alone under devolution.
£1 in every £7 paid in dividends paid to UK pension funds by FTSE 100 companies comes from BP.
The there’s all the others that work the North Sea fields.
Mervin King is creating more than a dozen times that to just hand over to the banks this week, according to his mansion house speech.
Edinburgh is dreaming if it thinks it can get as much out of this perceived cash cow as the UK is already.
Even BP are not guaranteed to be paying loads of taxes forever, looking at the way they’ve just pulled out of Russia at a huge loss, not because of bad revenues, but because the oligarchs are nicking their interests from right under their noses!
Companies can move out, prices can collapse, jobs can disappear, and taxes can be evaded.
I can’t see BP ever becoming SP somehow. It might not even remain BP, bearing in mind how little of it’s revenue actually comes from the UK in the first place!
cieranc:
In 2009, BP alone paid the UK government £5.8 BILLION in corporate tax.
That tax would be paid to Scotland alone under devolution.
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Dont really want to get into a Scottish V English slagging match…BUT I think you will find that a proportion of that £5 Billion paid to UK government comes from the Southern North Sea gas fields.
Just pointing out that Scotland doesnt have ALL the North Sea oil/gas!
