Yep, I hear what you’re saying Ken. Thanks mate.
In my first post in this thread there is a link to my other thread in which I detail my struggle to claim my class 2 licence from dvla.
Proof of entitlement is what I lack. That doesn’t mean that I am not entitled to the licence.
DVLA is misusing/misinterpreting the law to exclude people like me.
This is not the end, this is not even the beginning of the end, this…is the end of the beginning!
steviespain:
DVLA are saying that they accept that I did, indeed, pass my class 2 in Dec '76.
They are reusing to re-issue my licence because I did not change my licence over to the new system of record keeping which happened in 86.I did not receive notification of this new system and of the fact that I needed to change over.
Just because I did not change my licence over to the new system does not mean that I am not entitled to drive Class 2.
Have you ever held a full HGV licence? They used to be a separate document - even in 1978.
Roymondo:
steviespain:
DVLA are saying that they accept that I did, indeed, pass my class 2 in Dec '76.
They are reusing to re-issue my licence because I did not change my licence over to the new system of record keeping which happened in 86.I did not receive notification of this new system and of the fact that I needed to change over.
Just because I did not change my licence over to the new system does not mean that I am not entitled to drive Class 2.
Have you ever held a full HGV licence? They used to be a separate document - even in 1978.
Tbh Roymondo, I do not know how to answer this…
ok, now I do.
Yes.
I think you have screwed up and would be better off dropping it and starting again.
no1dieselman:
I think you have screwed up and would be better off dropping it and starting again.
Seriously?
If you can point out where and how I screwed up I might just think about starting again.
I appreciate your words of wisdom but forgive me if I choose to ignore them.
And if you meant it as a joke…haha good one.
I took mine in 83 and had a 25 year gap - three transport managers told me I would have lost it. Phoned dvlc they said get medical good to go. They were right.
ROG:
Problems arise if the old HGV was gained before the mid 80s because those records were not put on computer so if a driver let it lapse then getting it back is virtually impossible after about 35 years+
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The DVLA do like to make it up as they go along, as a small example i took my motorcycle test a few days after reaching the age of 16 in 1970.
I had that for a year then took and passed my car licence, both entitlements were on the little book type licence.
My HGV1 was obtained when I was 21 on a seperate brown book that I still have.
Now the problem started when the first of the new paper licences were issued, as I stopped riding bikes when I was 22 and I never checked consequent licences for my Motorcycle entitlement, sometime during the changeover to new types of licence it got dropped.
I spoke to the DVLA a week ago asking about the missing motorcycle licence and was told they had ‘lost’ a lot of records back in the late 80’s and unless I have my original pass certificate, then i shall have to sit another motorcycle test!..somehow I dont think I’m going to find that in the back of a drawer after all these years and just been quoted £600 for a CBT, riding course and test.
At the moment I would happily swop the HGV for a bike licence!
steviespain:
no1dieselman:
I think you have screwed up and would be better off dropping it and starting again.Seriously?
If you can point out where and how I screwed up I might just think about starting again.I appreciate your words of wisdom but forgive me if I choose to ignore them.
And if you meant it as a joke…haha good one.
No joke, you have failed to ensure that your license has the correct entitlements, live abroad for years, come back and then blame everyone else. Some times you have to take responsibility for you own acts or omissions
no1dieselman:
steviespain:
no1dieselman:
I think you have screwed up and would be better off dropping it and starting again.Seriously?
If you can point out where and how I screwed up I might just think about starting again.I appreciate your words of wisdom but forgive me if I choose to ignore them.
And if you meant it as a joke…haha good one.
No joke, you have failed to ensure that your license has the correct entitlements, live abroad for years, come back and then blame everyone else. Some times you have to take responsibility for you own acts or omissions
Get off your high horse, dude.
I’m not blaming anyone. In fact, I have nothing but praise for DVLA for the way they have kept in touch, been informative, very polite and understanding.
What I’m doing is trying to get my class 2 back.
It’s mine, I passed the test, and just because I didn’t change over to their new system back in the 80s does not mean that they can revoke it. Legal advice has been taken and I’m acting on it.
Maybe you would roll over and take it up the ■■■ from a government agency but I won’t. What they are doing to me, and to many hundreds of others too, is not right. I intend to take this all the way, as far as I can. Hopefully I will get the result I’m looking for. If not, well I will have tried my hardest.
P Stoff:
I took mine in 83 and had a 25 year gap - three transport managers told me I would have lost it. Phoned dvlc they said get medical good to go. They were right.ROG:
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Mr Stoff, I’m thinking you had a licence, out of date, with the entitlement on, to send off to DVLA?
Hi ROG,
I see what you’re saying
Look at it this way…
If you were a 20 year old with a class 1 licence right now, and you decided to go do something else for 40 years. You could come right back after that 40 years, get a medical, and re-instate your licence.
That’s what I’m trying to do.
The sticking point is the fact that DVLA changed their method of record keeping, issuing licences, on 1st April '86.
I didn’t do anything wrong, nothing that would legally let them revoke my licence. THEY moved the goalposts.
I wasn’t notified of the need for me to re-apply, renew, my licence and, as such, they have no legal right to deny me the entitlement that I hold. As I/we have established today the entitlement itself does not expire. Your licence might go out of date, your medical might go out of date, but the entitlement to drive Class 2 is mine forever and ever amen.
The fat lady hasn’t sung yet. When she does, I’ll let y’all know.
Might be a long shot, but could help your case, have you tried getting your Army records from Glasgow? Maybe the granting of your HGV 2 is mentioned there in your P File. There’s plenty of information on the Internet on how to do it.
Good luck!
MickM
Thanks for the input mate, appreciate it 
Yep, tried that route…
Trouble is, even though DVLA accept that I do hold the entitlment to drive class 2, they say that because I didn’t change my, old style, licence for a new style one by 1st April 86, I can’t have a new one now. And that, my friends, is just not legal.
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A bit more interesting reading applicable to your situation:
Thanks Number 1
I have that page bookmarked from a while ago. Took em a couple of hours to get through it, biut I did eventually.
It’s where I found out that someone in exactly the same position as me, Army document included, got turned down for his HGV. That was where he stopped though.
That’s when I started the complaints procedure with my MP.
Alter that, it push for a judicial review although I have no idea how to do that…YET!
Thanks for the interest, everyone, keeps me motivated. Well, that and the thought of taking my test again
Off to Brum, flightsim show at Cosford tomorrow.
Laters
I only wish I could say hand on heart it’s going to be worth the struggle. It isn’t the job I first signed on for but it pays the wages.
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The key point is here:
In the case of HGV drivers, DVLA only took over responsibility in April 1991. What we have on our records for these drivers is what was transferred to us by the Traffic Area Offices at that time.
So your beef is really with a Traffic Area Office that no longer exists. Frankly, I think that you have very little chance of success.
You do know that even if you get your licence, you will still have to get CPC card?
Tbh, Santa, my beef is with DVLA. They are the current governing body. They are the ones who can re-issue my licence.
CPC? wtf is that■■?
steviespain:
Tbh, Santa, my beef is with DVLA. They are the current governing body. They are the ones who can re-issue my licence.
CPC? wtf is that■■?
35 hours of sitting in a room getting bored outa yer skull … the reason I let my class 1 lapse and apart from the fact it’s a ■■■■ poor job nowadays …
That sounds awful. I hope I never have to go through anything like that!
steviespain:
That sounds awful. I hope I never have to go through anything like that!
If you end up getting your license and want to drive for a living … then you will have to !