“vulnerable communities that are at risk of facing food shortages.”
Please try to spread it a bit thicker next time.
I wouldn’t be worrying about the EE flip flops coming back to lower the wages.
If the government allow easy access skill shortage visa for HGV drivers.
You will have a millions of phillapenios, Indian and Chinese hitting the streets.
If you think the EE are bad you ain’t seen nuffing.
The thing is most phillies speak a decent standard of English too.
Harry Monk:
“With no government appetite to extend drivers’ hours or to put the role of delivery driver on the government’s shortage occupation list, there are already vulnerable communities that are at risk of facing food shortages.”So this muppet thinks that the solution to the problem of nobody wanting to drive a truck for a living is a longer working day.
Yep severely out of touch,.and living in cloud cuckoo land knowing the far end of f.all about transport.
I have never subscribed to this easing of drivers hours restrictions during bad weather for instance…apart from the fact we do far too many hours as it is, they make you conform under pain of death,.saying it’s unsafe and dangerous to go over the maximum hours, but suddenlly as if by magic, because it suits THEM and their agenda, it is deemed safe and acceptable.
■■■■ em,.I for one ain’t playing I always say,… but (as usual true to form) you ALWAYS get the ■■■■ circus clowns who gladly go along with it. 
I imagine more pictures of squaddies hand balling boxes across loading bay into back of their trucks and 8x8 rigids with 20 ft containers trundling up M3 at 2mpg, like we saw in the first lockdown.
Sixties boy:
I imagine more pictures of squaddies hand balling boxes across loading bay into back of their trucks and 8x8 rigids with 20 ft containers trundling up M3 at 2mpg, like we saw in the first lockdown.
Yep reduce the drivers daily rest period allowing employers to save more money on mechanical handling equipment and warehouse labour costs.Bonus points 6x2 artics, not 8x8 rigids with 20ft container loads. 
Themoocher:
I wouldn’t be worrying about the EE flip flops coming back to lower the wages.
If the government allow easy access skill shortage visa for HGV drivers.
You will have a millions of phillapenios, Indian and Chinese hitting the streets.
If you think the EE are bad you ain’t seen nuffing.
The thing is most phillies speak a decent standard of English too.
I had forgotten about that plan 
^. That is what will most likely happen. Enjoy your short-lived wage increases while they last, folks.
toonsy:
Agree with Conor, genuinely don’t think asamy as before will come back.The reason they came here was of our own (government) making anyway. The rest of the EU didn’t allow immigration for a period after new countries became eligible so as to protect their domestic market. But the UK opted out of it to allow it immediately
Never mind, no doubt we’ll just get more as a result of flimsy trade deals from places further afield…
Don’t know in what world you live in but it was the other way around. The UK kept the restrictions on for new member states for 7 years. That’s why the romanians invaded you in 2014 and not in 2007 when they joined the EU. They invaded Italy and Spain after 2007, but were unable to conquest them as there are only 20+ milions in total
Carryfast:
It doesn’t mean let’s allow larger trucks, to move more frieight further, more profitably, with lower fuel costs and a 10 hour driving limit, because that wouldn’t fit the anti truck pro rail agenda.
So basically you’d support a reduction in the number of vehicles (and drivers) required to move a given tonnage along with the wage reductions this would inevitably cause, coupled with an increase in working hours?
Righto then.
Carryfast:
robbo99.:
Now would be a great time for drivers to stick the knife in and to some degree hold their employer over a barrelIf there really was a ‘driver shortage’ do you think that employers could get away with terms like ‘any other duties as required’’ and must have 2 years experience etc etc.
There’s supposedly a driver shortage but obviously not enough of a shortage for drivers not to be used as truck washers and warehouse labourers and applying the ‘experience’ matters hurdle to any even half decent job.
Once again it comes down to drivers, if a driver signs up to be a general dogs body then more fool him/her, if drivers said enough is enough and meant it then maybe the mickey taking outfits would have to play ball.
Harry Monk:
Carryfast:
It doesn’t mean let’s allow larger trucks, to move more frieight further, more profitably, with lower fuel costs and a 10 hour driving limit, because that wouldn’t fit the anti truck pro rail agenda.So basically you’d support a reduction in the number of vehicles (and drivers) required to move a given tonnage along with the wage reductions this would inevitably cause, coupled with an increase in working hours?
Righto then.
It’s so much better to minimise the mileage and tonnage hauled by trucks by making it economically unviable so that all the redundant drivers can do 15 hour shifts working as warehouse labourers and truck washers.
You think that driving freight off the road means higher wages and more work for drivers.So here we are you’ve got your 44t gross trucks and £6 per gallon and 15 hour shifts and 9 hour driving limit.
The employers aren’t calling for higher gross weights or a 10 hours driving time limit or being allowed to use red diesel so what are you moaning about.
They are obviously as happy as you are with the status quo of drivers being used as labourers and truck washers bonus points if they can reduce daily rest periods even more to get more ‘other duties’ out of drivers in a shift.
Because it’s uneconomic to send only 25t max of freight from one end of the country to the other after fuel, depreciation and wages.When they can put it on a train instead.
I’m guessing that you’re not one of those who has to apply for the resulting job ‘opportunities’ stating any other duties as required to make up your 15 hour shift with the win win that the employers can save the wages of truck washers and warehouse labouring staff.
Our lot are up the proverbial creek when it comes to getting and/or keeping multidrop drivers to the point where the wage is now somewhere between 38-39k….before overtime, depending on depot location….since things have reopened, business has gone mad and we can’t get the goods out quick enough, so if you or somebody you know doesn’t mind hard graft, Bidfood needs you! 25 days holiday, company pension etc etc and you get a nice DAF……what more does an up and coming driver want!
Actrosman:
Our lot are up the proverbial creek when it comes to getting and/or keeping multidrop drivers
As opposed to full load or a few drops/collections per shift distance work.Nothing new there.
It’s just that the government crusade to decimate the tonne/miles done by trucks is now biting effectively removing the option.
No-one does Bidfood/Brakes unless they’re a newbie needing the experience as it’s crappy work fighting with overloaded chilled and frozen cages with broken wheels from 2 different compartments, then expected to put all the stock away in the chiller and freezer at the hotel/airport as well. Even if they offered £50k they’d still struggle to hire and retain drivers.
Horses for courses though. On one hand it’s everything you’ve said doing Brakes type of work.
On the other if you don’t mind the graft its normally very good money for a sensible amount of hours which are normally fairly sociable. I certainly don’t see many out and about past 3pm ish.
Actrosman:
Our lot are up the proverbial creek when it comes to getting and/or keeping multidrop drivers to the point where the wage is now somewhere between 38-39k….before overtime, depending on depot location….since things have reopened, business has gone mad and we can’t get the goods out quick enough, so if you or somebody you know doesn’t mind hard graft, Bidfood needs you! 25 days holiday, company pension etc etc and you get a nice DAF……what more does an up and coming driver want!
Bit of a wages war going on down on the Wakefield Europort between Bidfood and One Stop,both advertising for drivers on similar work,think One Stop edging it at the minute.
Warburtons and Royal Mail were advertising recently as was Asda,Bibby’s got bought out by Menzies and they started advertising immediately,XPO/K&N were Chucking money at Agency drivers to get them on seats as soon as the boozers opened,That’s just on one industrial estate 
Looks like it’s all kicking off in the agricultural game too…
"Vegetable growers have been forced to raise pay for workers by up to 60 per cent to almost £20 an hour to combat a chronic labour shortage.
Coronavirus and Brexit have been blamed for driving away thousands of foreign pickers and packers while not enough Britons apply for the jobs.
Bosses are estimated to need up to 500,000 workers across the food supply sector, from pickers in the fields to packers, processors and drivers.
The sharp rise in wages is expected to feed through to shelf prices."
Harry Monk:
Looks like it’s all kicking off in the agricultural game too…"Vegetable growers have been forced to raise pay for workers by up to 60 per cent to almost £20 an hour to combat a chronic labour shortage.
Coronavirus and Brexit have been blamed for driving away thousands of foreign pickers and packers while not enough Britons apply for the jobs.
Bosses are estimated to need up to 500,000 workers across the food supply sector, from pickers in the fields to packers, processors and drivers.
The sharp rise in wages is expected to feed through to shelf prices."
With over a million on the dole shouldn’t be a problem filling those vacencies with the incentive of if those vacencies local to you then kiss your dole benefits goodbye get of your lazy arse and do some work
Harry Monk:
Looks like it’s all kicking off in the agricultural game too…"Vegetable growers have been forced to raise pay for workers by up to 60 per cent to almost £20 an hour to combat a chronic labour shortage.
Coronavirus and Brexit have been blamed for driving away thousands of foreign pickers and packers while not enough Britons apply for the jobs.
Bosses are estimated to need up to 500,000 workers across the food supply sector, from pickers in the fields to packers, processors and drivers.
The sharp rise in wages is expected to feed through to shelf prices."
That’s the earn more stacking shelves, theory out the window
Actrosman:
what more does an up and coming driver want!
A drivers mate?..
A chance for those interested in becoming a driver to learn all the about the job from the ground up. Early starts, grumpy loaders, loony car drivers and pushy customers etc. The driver gets a hand in tipping and the company possibly gets a ready trained driver with a known history.
With over a million on the dole shouldn’t be a problem filling those vacencies with the incentive of if those vacencies local to you then kiss your dole benefits goodbye get of your lazy arse and do some work
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Yes fine but expect to be paid a living wage for doing it.You do know the rules that all Jobseekers have to sign up to.No doubt you’d be the first to defend your job if a Jobseeker said they want your job and will under cut your wages to get it.
But yes it’s difficult to understand why over 60’s have to compete with younger workers for less demanding jobs.To the point where 20 somethings are working on a supermarket till while over 60’s are expected to work in the warehouse.