OVLOV JAY:
This government has encouraged a race to the bottom in wages, where 40 hour a week jobs pay third world rates.
And that’s the crutch of why a lot of us want to see if there is a better way, as one thing is for sure, it’s not going to get any better on this course. And as for the 40 hours, you’ll be lucky as there’s a fair chance that everyone will be on a zero hours contract before long, and things like proper sick pay will be a distant memory. Just like our legal aid and free NHS dentistry.
Improvements for workers in recent years my arse!!!
And I’m sure the Tory government has the best interests of the workers in their heart. And funding the NHS has been solved. It will be privatised.
desypete:
i think my mum would die of laughing if she was still alive, if i shown up wearing a silly green shirt and boasted of a £435 a week pay packet
Still on the dole like all the other work-shy scroungers, Pete? Because if you are, I bet the blokes earning ‘only’ £435pw are doing a lot better than you are.
I wouldn’t be so sure about that. My brother in law made a lifestyle choice to go on benefits about 5 years ago. When you factor in free rent and council tax on a 3 bed house, free school meals and bus passes for 3 kids, his wife’s benefits, free prescriptions to scratch the surface, he’s on a hell of a lot more than £435 a week
I’ll have to take your word on that fella, I don’t know what can be wrung out of the state by those who aren’t interested in paying their way in life and nor do I plan to find out for myself.
desypete:
i think my mum would die of laughing if she was still alive, if i shown up wearing a silly green shirt and boasted of a £435 a week pay packet
Still on the dole like all the other work-shy scroungers, Pete? Because if you are, I bet the blokes earning ‘only’ £435pw are doing a lot better than you are.
I wouldn’t be so sure about that. My brother in law made a lifestyle choice to go on benefits about 5 years ago. When you factor in free rent and council tax on a 3 bed house, free school meals and bus passes for 3 kids, his wife’s benefits, free prescriptions to scratch the surface, he’s on a hell of a lot more than £435 a week
I’ll have to take your word on that fella, I don’t know what can be wrung out of the state by those who aren’t interested in paying their way in life and nor do I plan to find out for myself.
I make you right, I’ve got too much pride to do it, but I do question myself when the alarm goes off at 4 on a Monday
desypete:
i think my mum would die of laughing if she was still alive, if i shown up wearing a silly green shirt and boasted of a £435 a week pay packet
Still on the dole like all the other work-shy scroungers, Pete? Because if you are, I bet the blokes earning ‘only’ £435pw are doing a lot better than you are.
i am certainly not wearing a silly green shirt and earning such crap money that for sure
15 years ago my wages were over 700 quid a week driving fridges there was money to be made back then and now there is just a bare living to be made out of class 1 driving i dont know how anyone can work for stobarts and believe there on a good thing ? all that has happend is other firms like dhl etc have followed stobarts lead in paying lower and lower wages
ii guess if the brain dead morons who drive for stobarts are stuck in there rut of just accepting what they get and keep on turning up for work each week then more fool them but most of the good experienced guys have got out of the game as there is just hardly any real money to be made at it any more, many firms have drivers on older contracts that are worth a lot more in wages terms compared to new guys they take on then they sell out or lose a contract and in comes stobart with there crew of lower paid drivers and the guys on the older contracts get paid off so that everyone then ends up on the new lesser money on offer and they just keep on doing it and getting away with it
whos fault is it ? the drivers for sure as there all to scared to stand up they can only sit back and moan which there good at infact so many on here are class 1 moaners with class 2 brains
I’ll have to take your word on that fella, I don’t know what can be wrung out of the state by those who aren’t interested in paying their way in life and nor do I plan to find out for myself.
When you say “The State”, what you really mean is the rest of us !
OVLOV JAY:
He’s a plumber. He got made redundant a few years back when his company lost a maintenance contract with Tower Hamlets council. He was on 40k a year but found all available jobs in his industry were now paying sub 23k. He quickly realised the £150 a week he got, plus his wife is now entitled to the same, then they have £160 a week in rent paid, he’s almost at his 40k a year pre tax wages
He and his wife’ll not be getting £150 a week apiece for themselves. The couple rate of Income Support is about £110 for the pair of them. You’re either sadly misinformed, or you’re grossly misrepresenting their circumstances here.
That’s why I ask whether the family has a disabled child to care for, because only then does a family start to receive a bare minimum income securely each week (rather than a wholly inadequate income punctuated by sanctions on ordinary JSA, which would rapidly lead to destitution, which you’d see in the deteriorating state of their clothes, their faces, the interior décor, and so on).
Also, I’m glad to see that you accept that it is plummeting wages which are the root cause of people being forced onto benefits, and that social security is performing its function properly in supporting families on the bare minimum income (the market, on the other hand, is not supporting the needs of families).
desypete:
…but most of the good experienced guys have got out of the game as there is just hardly any real money to be made at it any more…
You keep saying this, but what you don’t tell us is what all these experienced guys are now doing to earn the top money that, according to you, they were previously making from pointing a truck.
So Pete, where have they gone? What other jobs are out there and so numerous than you can easily step in with little in the way of qualifications and go straight on £700-800pw?
desypete:
…but most of the good experienced guys have got out of the game as there is just hardly any real money to be made at it any more…
You keep saying this, but what you don’t tell us is what all these experienced guys are now doing to earn the top money that, according to you, they were previously making from pointing a truck.
So Pete, where have they gone? What other jobs are out there and so numerous than you can easily step in with little in the way of qualifications and go straight on £700-800pw?
There are plenty of jobs out there paying rates that are at least as good as HGV driving - and if you’ve got any gumption you can do better on the bottom line too.
Also, where do you get this “little by way of qualifications” and “go straight on £700-800pw”? I don’t know many who are getting £800pw nowadays unless they have their lives turned upside down by work and live in their employer’s truck, and even those jobs you don’t just waltz into.
To even set up in this game today, you’ll drop about £5k now for your training, and you can then either put your licence in the drawer for a few years, or you’ll be crawling through the ■■■■■■■■■ firms in the market on near NMW, like Andy Dufresne through a prison sewer pipe. In reality, in this game there are both formal qualifications of licencing and training, and informal qualifications of age and experience. And there’s next to no stability or job security - if it’s not the boss (or his boss) threatening your wages in some way, then it’ll be the DVLA or the man from the ministry.
If you actually have anything else you can do, then you may as well just stick with the industry you’re in - and if you have nothing else and are unemployable, where are you going to get the training money, and what makes you think haulage employers will want you when nobody else does (unless somehow the only thing you’re good at is driving, and you’re willing to do for £500 what an existing driver wants £800 for)?
desypete:
i would think stobarts can not provide the service as they can not get good drivers as they pay such crap money
i seen an advert for a stobart job £435 a week ■■? dont know how many hours for it but i think anyone would be better off doing an 8 hour day in any other type of job and would earn the same if not more or maybe a bit less
try doubling the money and they might start to get old drivers who know how to do the job back into the game stick with that sort of money and you will only get the numb nuts who want to wear the green shirt and have there photo taken but have a liking for hitting bridges, getting lost down country lanes or any other manner of stupidity that they can get up to
Were you born a helmet or is it something that developed over time?
Him & Carryfast complete muppets without a clue how the world works now days.
desypete:
…but most of the good experienced guys have got out of the game as there is just hardly any real money to be made at it any more…
You keep saying this, but what you don’t tell us is what all these experienced guys are now doing to earn the top money that, according to you, they were previously making from pointing a truck.
So Pete, where have they gone? What other jobs are out there and so numerous than you can easily step in with little in the way of qualifications and go straight on £700-800pw?
There are plenty of jobs out there paying rates that are at least as good as HGV driving - and if you’ve got any gumption you can do better on the bottom line too.
Also, where do you get this “little by way of qualifications” and “go straight on £700-800pw”? I don’t know many who are getting £800pw nowadays unless they have their lives turned upside down by work and live in their employer’s truck, and even those jobs you don’t just waltz into.
To even set up in this game today, you’ll drop about £5k now for your training, and you can then either put your licence in the drawer for a few years, or you’ll be crawling through the [zb] firms in the market on near NMW, like Andy Dufresne through a prison sewer pipe. In reality, in this game there are both formal qualifications of licencing and training, and informal qualifications of age and experience. And there’s next to no stability or job security - if it’s not the boss (or his boss) threatening your wages in some way, then it’ll be the DVLA or the man from the ministry.
If you actually have anything else you can do, then you may as well just stick with the industry you’re in - and if you have nothing else and are unemployable, where are you going to get the training money, and what makes you think haulage employers will want you when nobody else does (unless somehow the only thing you’re good at is driving, and you’re willing to do for £500 what an existing driver wants £800 for)?
I can’t be arsed reading all of another one of your over-blown, rambling posts that attempts to show how clever you think you are, let alone replying to every point it makes, yet as for where did I get a couple of things from - I got them from desypete’s posts in this and other threads.
I’d love to know what super driver skills this clown possess? I obviously don’t have any because I’ve been a numb nuts for 9 years. To be fair I might need a new job because I’ve just hit my seventh low bridge this week. Apparently I shouldn’t got more than 5 a week.
Olog Hai:
I can’t be arsed reading all of another one of your over-blown, rambling posts that attempts to show how clever you think you are
Well, better than a short, sharp, blast of rubbish that shows how foolish you are, I suppose.
let alone replying to every point it makes, yet as for where did I get a couple of things from - I got them from desypete’s posts in this and other threads.
So what world do you live in? One where HGV licences are handed out for free? One where someone with zero experience walks into a steady job paying £800 a week? I’m not saying either thing has never happened, but it’s not exactly representative.
Ironically, I once spoke to a fellow who used to be on heavy haulage - he was given his training free, and he was assured a steady job sometimes earning £1k a week, and he gave it all up to drive a private hire taxi.
