albion1971:
Is it just me that thinks it is ridiculous how some drivers do not know the rules regarding hours?
It is like a dentist going to work without his drill or a joiner without a saw.
The basics are pretty simple and are easily accessed so there is no excuse not to know them.
So within months of you passing , you knew the drivers hours regs down to a T?
Please take into account that noy everyone on here is a veteran but new or newish to the industry. As im sure your aware, you dont get taught any of these rules and regs when doing your training, although im fully aware the cpc covers it.
albion1971:
Is it just me that thinks it is ridiculous how some drivers do not know the rules regarding hours?
It is like a dentist going to work without his drill or a joiner without a saw.
The basics are pretty simple and are easily accessed so there is no excuse not to know them.
So within months of you passing , you knew the drivers hours regs down to a T?
Please take into account that noy everyone on here is a veteran but new or newish to the industry. As im sure your aware, you dont get taught any of these rules and regs when doing your training, although im fully aware the cpc covers it.
Don’t forget that Albion1971 lives in a perfect world where every vehicle leaves a gap of at least a mile in front, can always let traffic in from a slip road regardless of traffic conditions (whilst still maintaining the gap) and no accidents happen that aren’t the fault of the unprofessional truck driver or so his posts would lead us to believe…
albion1971:
Is it just me that thinks it is ridiculous how some drivers do not know the rules regarding hours?
It is like a dentist going to work without his drill or a joiner without a saw.
The basics are pretty simple and are easily accessed so there is no excuse not to know them.
There are various reasons for people not knowing the regulations, sometimes questions are asked by people who haven’t been driving long and they want to learn about the rules.
Sometimes people do the same job for years and know everything they need to know in order to do that job, then either they start a new job or just start taking more interest in the regulations so they start asking questions.
The latest reason for some people needing to ask seemingly basic questions seems to be that they’re fed misinformation by DCPC instructors and come here or another forum to get clarification of whether they’ve been told right or not.
Whatever the reason, surely it’s better that people have somewhere like these forums where they are free to ask questions and 99.999999999% of the time get proper and correct answers.
albion1971:
Is it just me that thinks it is ridiculous how some drivers do not know the rules regarding hours?
It is like a dentist going to work without his drill or a joiner without a saw.
The basics are pretty simple and are easily accessed so there is no excuse not to know them.
There are various reasons for people not knowing the regulations, sometimes questions are asked by people who haven’t been driving long and they want to learn about the rules.
Sometimes people do the same job for years and know everything they need to know in order to do that job, then either they start a new job or just start taking more interest in the regulations so they start asking questions.
The latest reason for some people needing to ask seemingly basic questions seems to be that they’re fed misinformation by DCPC instructors and come here or another forum to get clarification of whether they’ve been told right or not.
Whatever the reason, surely it’s better that people have somewhere like these forums where they are free to ask questions and 99.999999999% of the time get proper and correct answers.
There are many drivers who can read the regs many times and not understand them in the format that they are in but can understand when said in a different way or presented with examples
It is not the driver/trainees fault but the fault of those doing the writing/training
It needs a system where, especially new, drivers are trained and tested on the regs and then extra training given to those who fail to understand
albion1971:
Is it just me that thinks it is ridiculous how some drivers do not know the rules regarding hours?
It is like a dentist going to work without his drill or a joiner without a saw.
The basics are pretty simple and are easily accessed so there is no excuse not to know them.
There are various reasons for people not knowing the regulations, sometimes questions are asked by people who haven’t been driving long and they want to learn about the rules.
Sometimes people do the same job for years and know everything they need to know in order to do that job, then either they start a new job or just start taking more interest in the regulations so they start asking questions.
The latest reason for some people needing to ask seemingly basic questions seems to be that they’re fed misinformation by DCPC instructors and come here or another forum to get clarification of whether they’ve been told right or not.
Whatever the reason, surely it’s better that people have somewhere like these forums where they are free to ask questions and 99.999999999% of the time get proper and correct answers.
That sir is an excellent post .As a new driver i find the driving regs astoundingly complicated and constantly worry if i am breaking some obscure rule .In my previous incarnation i was a construction worker for nearly 30 yrs and trained many apprentices one rule i was firm about was asking questions if there is any doubt ,far better to ask a dumb question than be too dumb to ask it . People with the attitude of Albion1971 really ■■■■■■ me off
albion1971:
Is it just me that thinks it is ridiculous how some drivers do not know the rules regarding hours?
It is like a dentist going to work without his drill or a joiner without a saw.
The basics are pretty simple and are easily accessed so there is no excuse not to know them.
There are various reasons for people not knowing the regulations, sometimes questions are asked by people who haven’t been driving long and they want to learn about the rules.
Sometimes people do the same job for years and know everything they need to know in order to do that job, then either they start a new job or just start taking more interest in the regulations so they start asking questions.
The latest reason for some people needing to ask seemingly basic questions seems to be that they’re fed misinformation by DCPC instructors and come here or another forum to get clarification of whether they’ve been told right or not.
Whatever the reason, surely it’s better that people have somewhere like these forums where they are free to ask questions and 99.999999999% of the time get proper and correct answers.
+1
Hang on,if you pass an LGV test you are probably going to drive a truck and part of driving a truck includes knowing the rules and regs.
Any DCPC instructor that gives the wrong info should be reported.
Most people have access to the internet these days…It’s all there…
albion1971:
Hang on,if you pass an LGV test you are probably going to drive a truck and part of driving a truck includes knowing the rules and regs.
Any DCPC instructor that gives the wrong info should be reported.
Most people have access to the internet these days…It’s all there…
Personally, I think that tachograph rules are framed in the craziest way imaginable. Anyone who takes 11 hours off can be forgiven for thinking he has taken an 11 hour break.
That’s what happens when you have a room-full of stuffed shirt eu parasites making up the rules about driving a truck, rather than asking someone who actually drives a truck.
albion1971:
Hang on,if you pass an LGV test you are probably going to drive a truck and part of driving a truck includes knowing the rules and regs.
Any DCPC instructor that gives the wrong info should be reported.
Most people have access to the internet these days…It’s all there…
How many jobs do you know where all the rules and regs can learnt in one go ?
I agree you can’t know everything but surely you have to learn the basic driving hours if you are going to drive a truck unless of course you like to get nicked all the time.
I mean it’s hardly rocket science.Are we all a bunch of thickos or what!
albion1971:
Is it just me that thinks it is ridiculous how some drivers do not know the rules regarding hours?
It is like a dentist going to work without his drill or a joiner without a saw.
The basics are pretty simple and are easily accessed so there is no excuse not to know them.
There are various reasons for people not knowing the regulations, sometimes questions are asked by people who haven’t been driving long and they want to learn about the rules.
Sometimes people do the same job for years and know everything they need to know in order to do that job, then either they start a new job or just start taking more interest in the regulations so they start asking questions.
The latest reason for some people needing to ask seemingly basic questions seems to be that they’re fed misinformation by DCPC instructors and come here or another forum to get clarification of whether they’ve been told right or not.
Whatever the reason, surely it’s better that people have somewhere like these forums where they are free to ask questions and 99.999999999% of the time get proper and correct answers.
+1
Hang on,if you pass an LGV test you are probably going to drive a truck and part of driving a truck includes knowing the rules and regs.
Any DCPC instructor that gives the wrong info should be reported.
Most people have access to the internet these days…It’s all there…
FarnboroughBoy11:
I just wasn’t thinking about it properly when I initially read it.
Which is another reason people ask what appears to be basic questions, we’re all human and sometimes we have bad days when we don’t think things through right.
FarnboroughBoy11:
I just wasn’t thinking about it properly when I initially read it.
Which is another reason people ask what appears to be basic questions, we’re all human and sometimes we have bad days when we don’t think things through right.
Well I do anyway
It’s quite annoyed me actually because I’m pushed to max my hours anyway so the daily and weekly rests is something that I’m always working out. It makes me wonder if I’ve messed up like that in real life, just have to wait until I download my tacho again
FarnboroughBoy11:
I just wasn’t thinking about it properly when I initially read it.
Which is another reason people ask what appears to be basic questions, we’re all human and sometimes we have bad days when we don’t think things through right.
Well I do anyway
It’s quite annoyed me actually because I’m pushed to max my hours anyway so the daily and weekly rests is something that I’m always working out. It makes me wonder if I’ve messed up like that in real life, just have to wait until I download my tacho again
while your in reverse why not admit you did not know about 13+ hrs and reduced rests in the first place?
FarnboroughBoy11:
I just wasn’t thinking about it properly when I initially read it.
Which is another reason people ask what appears to be basic questions, we’re all human and sometimes we have bad days when we don’t think things through right.
Well I do anyway
It’s quite annoyed me actually because I’m pushed to max my hours anyway so the daily and weekly rests is something that I’m always working out. It makes me wonder if I’ve messed up like that in real life, just have to wait until I download my tacho again
while your in reverse why not admit you did not know about 13+ hrs and reduced rests in the first place?
Strange assumption. yeah i just do what i want, 15 16 17 hour days and sleep when I want, if I only have 4 hours rest and feel alright I just start a new shift.
Dan Punchard:
Cant you do 4 15 hr spreadovers if your 4th is your last day before weekly rest.
The daily rest period has to fit into the 24 hour period from the start of the shift every day, it doesn’t matter if you’re having a month off work after the shift, if less than 11 hours rest fits into the 24 hour period it’s a reduced daily rest period.
The only way you can have more than 3 spread-overs of more than 13 hours from start to end of shift between weekly rest periods is to have split daily rest periods.
Crazy it may be, but that’s the way it is I’m afraid.
Has any one else got an idea about this as ive asked a vosa senior traffic man and 2 local Dcpc places all 3 of them said i was right although a 3rd Dcpc man said no .as i see it on the first 3 days of the week i do 15hrs spread with reduced 9 hr breaks ,on the 4th day 13hrs spread with 11 rest ,on the 5th day which will be my last i do a 15hr spread as theres no 24hr period as at the end of 15hrs my weekly rest starts.By saying this cant be done is like saying on your last day of the week you complete 24hr period with daily rest then have an weekly rest of 45 hrs on top ,i dont think so.
Dan Punchard:
Cant you do 4 15 hr spreadovers if your 4th is your last day before weekly rest.
The daily rest period has to fit into the 24 hour period from the start of the shift every day, it doesn’t matter if you’re having a month off work after the shift, if less than 11 hours rest fits into the 24 hour period it’s a reduced daily rest period.
The only way you can have more than 3 spread-overs of more than 13 hours from start to end of shift between weekly rest periods is to have split daily rest periods.
Crazy it may be, but that’s the way it is I’m afraid.
Has any one else got an idea about this as ive asked a vosa senior traffic man and 2 local Dcpc places all 3 of them said i was right although a 3rd Dcpc man said no .as i see it on the first 3 days of the week i do 15hrs spread with reduced 9 hr breaks ,on the 4th day 13hrs spread with 11 rest ,on the 5th day which will be my last i do a 15hr spread as theres no 24hr period as at the end of 15hrs my weekly rest starts.By saying this cant be done is like saying on your last day of the week you complete 24hr period with daily rest then have an weekly rest of 45 hrs on top ,i dont think so.
If a senior VOSA bod told you that what you’re saying is correct he should be sacked
The regulations clearly state that the daily rest period should fit into the 24 hour period from the end of the last daily/weekly rest period.
Nowhere in the regulations does it state that the last shift of the working week should be treated differently to any other shift.
The weekly rest period does not start after the daily rest period, the last daily rest period before a weekly rest period is extended to make a weekly rest period.
Article 8 - (EC) 561/2006:
2. Within each period of 24 hours after the end of the
previous daily rest period or weekly rest period a driver shall
have taken a new daily rest period.
If the portion of the daily rest period which falls within that
24 hour period is at least nine hours but less than 11 hours,
then the daily rest period in question shall be regarded as a
reduced daily rest period.
A daily rest period may be extended to make a regular
weekly rest period or a reduced weekly rest period.
Dan Punchard:
Has any one else got an idea about this as ive asked a vosa senior traffic man and 2 local Dcpc places all 3 of them said i was right although a 3rd Dcpc man said no .as i see it on the first 3 days of the week i do 15hrs spread with reduced 9 hr breaks ,on the 4th day 13hrs spread with 11 rest ,on the 5th day which will be my last i do a 15hr spread as theres no 24hr period as at the end of 15hrs my weekly rest starts.By saying this cant be done is like saying on your last day of the week you complete 24hr period with daily rest then have an weekly rest of 45 hrs on top ,i dont think so.
your 5th shift is still a 24 hour period,in which you must have 11 hours off…those 11 hours are also the first 11 hours of your weekly rest
or so his posts would lead us to believe…
