Take home bragging!

dozy:
Something I’ve noticed since tramping money wise is the saving you make fuel wise in your own car ,I was putting apx £20 a week diesel in my car, put £15 in it 3 weeks ago and have enough to get to work back this week ( basically only use it for work and back as use Mrs car when home ) , obviously with mileage a lot less ,consumables like tyres etc last miles longer ,less mileage also adds x amount onto value of car when time to change .

Whatever you save in ‘‘consumables’’ and fuel costs will be annihilated by deprecation. When you bring the car argument into a tramping thread the only way it makes sense is if you drive a cheap runabout. If you have a 14-15k commuting car sitting in a carpark 24hrs/5 days a week, while your wife is driving another 14-15k car of her own its madness.

£14/15k cars !!! :open_mouth:

we’re lorry drivers, its bad enough being reduced to a steering wheel attendant requiring not one ounce of skill or nous to do the job, buggered if i’m paying my money into saddling meself with some modern rubbish that craps itself unless you drive nowhere at 70 mph for an hour a week to let the exhaust clean itself, or any of the dozens of other maladies unpleasant modern cars share.

£14k would buy me and (and her) enough cars to see me out over the next 20 years, if i’m unlucky enough that is to last that long and see the mess this country descends to in that time.

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Juddian:
Dozy, you’d be surprised how many people unconsciously add ex’s of one form or another to their take home pay, it might be bragging in some cases but i think some have rosy glasses and thinking like this keeps the tints in good colour.

There is only one way to compare what one job pays to another and that is to divide your top line (minus ex’s whatever they happen to be called) by the number of hours worked, then plus/minus a bit whether the job requires skill or graft or nights away from home, then you have a mean average hourly rate to compare against another.

I’ve earned good money overall on the transporters previously, though that is seriously hard long days work and you will earn every ha’penny (and it takes a toll on your mind and body), but i’m actually paid more per every hour worked now on tanks…i take home less overall because i work 28 days less per year and much shorter days than before averaging a 43 hour week, if i did the same hours as i did on the cars i’d be on average £2.50 x 17 hours a week better off…you cannot judge a job just on it’s apparent take home.

Working out how and exactly what you’re paid for is what all drivers should do, whilst so many insist on looking purely at what number goes into the bank on a good full week (often taking a dive on short weeks) and not how it’s made up, the long hours poor pay race to the bottom continues.

The gaffers who pay poorly are canny buggers, they know big smart motors get bums on seats, it costs the company little more to lease a fancy motor than it does a basic one, and if you can get a driver to work for £10 an hour average across the board where the driver of the basic motor is possibly averaging a third again or more, it doesn’t take a genius to work out who’s actually paying for the motor and the gaffers Range Rover.

I hear what you’re saying, but in my experience, if you work for the right firm you don’t have quiet periods where the money drops to basic pay, even when you take holidays and this is where working at smaller companies comes into it, you just negotiate with the man that runs the show for your holiday pay to be based on an average of your take home wages throughout the year.

The key word is negotiation, I know for a fact that drivers will never stick together, so I couldn’t give a toss what the other drivers earn or do at work, if they want to doss around as much as possible or fly around like lunatics tipping on a break etc. It doesn’t matter to me, they don’t pay my bills. It doesn’t take long to build a reputation amongst the local firms as transport is a very incestuous business, you always know somebody at a firm local to you.

If you build a decent reputation and are prepared to stand up for yourself, it’s fairly simple to negotiate a good wage for yourself, but an important part in that is to keep it to yourself and not get involved in any bragging about the fatness of your wage packet.

Hey Conor, What’s the little asterisk?

Are you suggesting I am not intelligent enough to work out my pay packet?

eagerbeaver:
Hey Conor, What’s the little asterisk?

Are you suggesting I am not intelligent enough to work out my pay packet?

Hey Beaver at least our money is regular every week and not a worry in case the agency man gets cancelled :wink: :wink:

They say its good to talk Tango.

Lets see how much talking goes on in January. Limpers will be watching their phone like spiders on a web.

eagerbeaver:
They say its good to talk Tango.

Lets see how much talking goes on in January. Limpers will be watching their phone like spiders on a web.

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Conor:
You should go work for Stobarts. They love people like you who see the £10/hr and ignore the little asterisk next to it…

I’m afraid that i’m with Dipper Dave to an extent. What matters to me is whether you can make decent money without having to work a stupid number of hours… if I am able to work a 45-50 hour week (not ridiculous), Mon-Fri, and take home a figure i’m happy with I couldn’t care less how many rows on the payslip it takes to make it up, so long as it’s being paid, landing in my bank account every week & i’m being paid an average when on holiday.

I’m paid an unspectacular hourly rate + £10 a day meal allowance & my holiday pay is such that i’m not any worse off when on holiday, so if they were to incorporate that £50pw into my basic salary it wouldn’t make sod all difference to me. If anything, i’d be worse off because that money would be fully taxed.

merc0447:

dozy:
Something I’ve noticed since tramping money wise is the saving you make fuel wise in your own car ,I was putting apx £20 a week diesel in my car, put £15 in it 3 weeks ago and have enough to get to work back this week ( basically only use it for work and back as use Mrs car when home ) , obviously with mileage a lot less ,consumables like tyres etc last miles longer ,less mileage also adds x amount onto value of car when time to change .

Whatever you save in ‘‘consumables’’ and fuel costs will be annihilated by deprecation. When you bring the car argument into a tramping thread the only way it makes sense is if you drive a cheap runabout. If you have a 14-15k commuting car sitting in a carpark 24hrs/5 days a week, while your wife is driving another 14-15k car of her own its madness.

:confused: ,I bought the car a year ago when I was on days / nights ,I’m now tramping ,depreciation would of been worse on days / nights than tramping as I was doing 180 miles p.w ,not 30 .
If I’d of just bought it since going tramping you may of had a point , but I didn’t so I stand by what I say ,I now use less fuel,car will depreciate less as lower mileage ,tyres ,brakes etc last longer .

Conor:
You should go work for Stobarts. They love people like you who see the £10/hr and ignore the little asterisk next to it…

Hey agency limpet. Next time you manage a mega trunk up to Lockerbie, call in and say hello.

Juddian:
£14/15k cars !!! :open_mouth:

we’re lorry drivers, its bad enough being reduced to a steering wheel attendant requiring not one ounce of skill or nous to do the job, buggered if i’m paying my money into saddling meself with some modern rubbish that craps itself unless you drive nowhere at 70 mph for an hour a week to let the exhaust clean itself, or any of the dozens of other maladies unpleasant modern cars share.

£14k would buy me and (and her) enough cars to see me out over the next 20 years, if i’m unlucky enough that is to last that long and see the mess this country descends to in that time.

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

This makes sense to me and was brought up in conversation a few weeks ago with a couple of managers discussing fuel quality at supermarket pumps. One of them was concerned about what it would do to his car. I told him that my £600 car does the same job as a £16,000 car but if it goes badly wrong then I can scrap it and buy another one. It made sense to him!

Back on topic, hourly rates and gross income might sound good in the RDC waiting rooms but individually, the only thing that counts is not gross or nett, its expendable income which is what you have left in your pocket after the bills are paid. I heard today that royal mail are paying £18 an hour this year which sounds good but we all know it only lasts until next month so does that hourly rate matter when those short sighted drivers are earning £0 per hour in January?

Conor:
You should go work for Stobarts. They love people like you who see the £10/hr and ignore the little asterisk next to it…

They are certainley on my list of potential employers, looking at the remuneration package our beaver posted on another thread it looks right up my street, the stress dozy is getting is putting me off a bit but nothing ventured nothing gained.

At the moment im happy where I am and the corporate monster I work for isnt too bad.

Yes im not paid per hour what im worth and without blowing my own trumpet to much (even though I did blow my own trumpet when I was 15, well only touched the tip with me tongue to be fair and hurt me back in the process).
Where was I, oh yes blowing ones trumpet well maybe I could look out for that £13 per hour job or put up with not knowing if I have work one day to the next on agency which i have already done, but it aint my current philosophy.

Other things like stable income, pension come to mind but I may be wasting me fingertips.
One thing I will be doing is signing me house over to me kids when its paid for as the bloody care system in this country has bled me mum dry, but thats a rant for another time.

FFS Dave, " hurt me back" (blowing of ones trumpet).

Bloody soup spilt down my top laughing at that.

eagerbeaver:
FFS Dave, " hurt me back" (blowing of ones trumpet).

Bloody soup spilt down my top laughing at that.

You didn’t spill soup laughing, it’s because you are a hopeless deadbeat stobart cabbage [emoji6]

Ok, you want wage bragging?
Last week I worked Mon - Weds, the last two days as holiday, my TAKE HOME pay was £606 :wink:
Like I said, bragging :wink: :laughing:

DAF95XF:
Ok, you want wage bragging?
Last week I worked Mon - Weds, the last two days as holiday, my TAKE HOME pay was £606 :wink:
Like I said, bragging :wink: [emoji38]

Two weeks ago I had the full week off. Banked 560!

happysack:

DAF95XF:
Ok, you want wage bragging?
Last week I worked Mon - Weds, the last two days as holiday, my TAKE HOME pay was £606 :wink:
Like I said, bragging :wink: [emoji38]

Two weeks ago I had the full week off. Banked 560!

Trouble is I’m not doing normal driving work, sometimes I’m on curtainsiders for a car manufacturer and other days I’m doing containers for an Oak Furniture shop in this beautiful Land of ours :wink:
All for the same employer and not agency scum :wink:

I’m not agency scum. Just run of the mill scum.

I have had a mate txt me twice this week telling me his hourly rate. I dont know why he thinks I care when he knows I am happy with the rate I am on which is slightly above average plus i am now a shunter on Sundays which bumps my hours up on premium rate. He might be on a higher rate but its with a cowboy operator on containers who I blacklisted years ago and he is there because he has ran out of other options. Come January I know my income will be the same but I doubt his will be so why brag about a forced short term contract that I wouldn’t touch for £100 per hour? :neutral_face:

DAF95XF:
Ok, you want wage bragging?
Last week I worked Mon - Weds, the last two days as holiday, my TAKE HOME pay was £606 :wink:
Like I said, bragging :wink: :laughing:

How many hours were worked on the 3 days? 13/14/15?