limeyphil:
i had a very similar thing last year. £200 fine from kent police. got it checked by vosa at stafford. total rest was 11 hours and 1 minute. sent off an appeal, and got a no further action letter within a few days.
vosa told me that the police are doing this on a very regular basis.
As I understand it, you can’t used the ferry movement thing on the Dover-Calais/ Dunkerque ferries because of there being no access to a bunk/couchette.
Do/Dun was a grey area as they had those 12 recliner things didnt they… They’ve now replaced them with fixed seats so it cant be done on there any more…
limeyphil:
i had a very similar thing last year. £200 fine from kent police. got it checked by vosa at stafford. total rest was 11 hours and 1 minute. sent off an appeal, and got a no further action letter within a few days.
vosa told me that the police are doing this on a very regular basis.
As I understand it, you can’t used the ferry movement thing on the Dover-Calais/ Dunkerque ferries because of there being no access to a bunk/couchette.
Exactly.
BuzzardBoy:
Do/Dun was a grey area as they had those 12 recliner things didnt they…
It was never a grey area because those fancy sun loungers were neither a bunk or a couchette.
limeyphil:
i had a very similar thing last year. £200 fine from kent police. got it checked by vosa at stafford. total rest was 11 hours and 1 minute. sent off an appeal, and got a no further action letter within a few days.
vosa told me that the police are doing this on a very regular basis.
As I understand it, you can’t used the ferry movement thing on the Dover-Calais/ Dunkerque ferries because of there being no access to a bunk/couchette.
Exactly.
BuzzardBoy:
Do/Dun was a grey area as they had those 12 recliner things didnt they…
It was never a grey area because those fancy sun loungers were neither a bunk or a couchette.
limeyphil:
i had a very similar thing last year. £200 fine from kent police. got it checked by vosa at stafford. total rest was 11 hours and 1 minute. sent off an appeal, and got a no further action letter within a few days.
vosa told me that the police are doing this on a very regular basis.
As I understand it, you can’t used the ferry movement thing on the Dover-Calais/ Dunkerque ferries because of there being no access to a bunk/couchette.
Exactly.
BuzzardBoy:
Do/Dun was a grey area as they had those 12 recliner things didnt they…
It was never a grey area because those fancy sun loungers were neither a bunk or a couchette.
I would have put it down as a sort of mustard colour with faux marble pillars
It is amazing how many of our beloved law enforcement officers know sweet FA about ferry movements though. My good pal who works along with me got stopped at Crick. Now our firm are always getting stopped there … anyway, he sits there while the VOSA man goes off with his digi. Upshot is Mr Know sweet FA VOSA comes back all cocky and informs Steve he is being done for £160… insufficient daily rest. When Steve explained about the ferry movement (it was actually on the Caen crossing so cabins are provided), Mr Know sweet FA VOSA man told him there was no such rule!!! Naturally Steve argued his corner in sheer amazement. The idiot of a VOSA man kept insisting there was no such rule and Steve said he could see the guys colleagues getting more and more interested.
Eventually Steve made the guy get the rule book out and made the guy read the rules out. At this point Mr Know sweet FA VOSA idiot’s head started shrinking into his collar.
All he got in the way of an apoligy was ‘On your way, driver’.
limeyphil:
i had a very similar thing last year. £200 fine from kent police. got it checked by vosa at stafford. total rest was 11 hours and 1 minute. sent off an appeal, and got a no further action letter within a few days.
vosa told me that the police are doing this on a very regular basis.
As I understand it, you can’t used the ferry movement thing on the Dover-Calais/ Dunkerque ferries because of there being no access to a bunk/couchette.
it’s accepted by vosa, the cps, and the police, but not by many drivers.
when doing the movements, lets say 2 movements queing up to drive on ferry,10mins then in the morning Qing to do customs and park up for another 30 mins driving time do you loose that 30 mins driving time even if you had to add 2hours rest for that day/night
hope that makes sense
malcolmj:
when doing the movements, lets say 2 movements queing up to drive on ferry,10mins then in the morning Qing to do customs and park up for another 30 mins driving time do you loose that 30 mins driving time even if you had to add 2hours rest for that day/night
hope that makes sense
no it dosn’t make much sense to me.sorry.
when you move onto the boat, the shunts of 2,3,4,5,6 times are one movement, it’s the same when you get off. it has to be done in one hour in total.
eg: you park up for 2 hours, then move on the boat 10mins, 2 hours on the boat, 30 minutes to park up. you need to park up for 11 hours and 40 minutes, minus 2 hours parked up, and 2 hours on the ferry.
ok make it easy- all rest times are correct but the 30 odd mins driving off the ferry to clear customs etc and to park up to finish your rest do can you only then drive for 8 or 9 and a half hours when you start youre shift?
malcolmj:
ok make it easy- all rest times are correct but the 30 odd mins driving off the ferry to clear customs etc and to park up to finish your rest do can you only then drive for 8 or 9 and a half hours when you start youre shift?
no.
the 30 minutes on/off the ferry are part of your previous shift. so if you’ve done a ten hour drive by the time you get to calais, you can’t go on the boat.
when you set off it’s just a normal day again. 9 hours/10hours driving.
malcolmj:
ok make it easy- all rest times are correct but the 30 odd mins driving off the ferry to clear customs etc and to park up to finish your rest do can you only then drive for 8 or 9 and a half hours when you start youre shift?
no.
the 30 minutes on/off the ferry are part of your previous shift. so if you’ve done a ten hour drive by the time you get to calais, you can’t go on the boat.
when you set off it’s just a normal day again. 9 hours/10hours driving.
Wrong, to get on a of a ferry you can exclude the driving to 11h. So 10h and say 10min to get on, then max 50min to get of and park.
But always save the receipt, + if you have the old tachographs, write on the backside ferry, with the digital take out a note and write.
On a ferry 2-4 times a week at least and has always worked.
malcolmj:
ok make it easy- all rest times are correct but the 30 odd mins driving off the ferry to clear customs etc and to park up to finish your rest do can you only then drive for 8 or 9 and a half hours when you start youre shift?
no.
the 30 minutes on/off the ferry are part of your previous shift. so if you’ve done a ten hour drive by the time you get to calais, you can’t go on the boat.
when you set off it’s just a normal day again. 9 hours/10hours driving.
Wrong, to get on a of a ferry you can exclude the driving to 11h. So 10h and say 10min to get on, then max 50min to get of and park.
But always save the receipt, + if you have the old tachographs, write on the backside ferry, with the digital take out a note and write.
On a ferry 2-4 times a week at least and has always worked.
It may have always worked for you but I’d say you’ve never been checked. If you’ve done 10 hours driving by time you’ve got to boat you can’t legally get on that boat.
malcolmj:
ok make it easy- all rest times are correct but the 30 odd mins driving off the ferry to clear customs etc and to park up to finish your rest do can you only then drive for 8 or 9 and a half hours when you start youre shift?
no.
the 30 minutes on/off the ferry are part of your previous shift. so if you’ve done a ten hour drive by the time you get to calais, you can’t go on the boat.
when you set off it’s just a normal day again. 9 hours/10hours driving.
Wrong, to get on a of a ferry you can exclude the driving to 11h. So 10h and say 10min to get on, then max 50min to get of and park.
But always save the receipt, + if you have the old tachographs, write on the backside ferry, with the digital take out a note and write.
On a ferry 2-4 times a week at least and has always worked.
It may have always worked for you but I’d say you’ve never been checked. If you’ve done 10 hours driving by time you’ve got to boat you can’t legally get on that boat.
This is is odd one and I’m not sure of the answer. The definition of daily driving time in the regulations is -
‘daily driving time’ means the total accumulated driving time between the end of one daily rest period and the beginning of the following daily rest period or between a daily rest period and a weekly rest period;
As you finish your shift and begin your daily rest period when you have booked on and are in the lane waiting to board, the calculation of your daily driving time surely stops with the beginning of a rest period? The next daily driving limit begins with the end of your current rest period which will be either when you disembark or begin again after the final part of your rest once ashore.
Taking the regulations as they are written this means that as daily driving time is the driving time between rest periods any driving done during a rest period doesn’t really count. I have no idea how VOSA regard this but the regulations are very specific as to daily driving time is and it may be a case of the courts deciding this one, unless they already have.
switchlogic:
That’s interesting, I stand corrected. So in theory you could do 11 hours driving on days when you split rest on a ferry?
I have no idea, I’m only taking what it says in the regulations and applying my take to it. I could be well wide of the mark with this and wouldn’t really like to put it to the test.
Doing 11 hours would be a push as the total time for the interruptions, moving, queuing, any security checks or paperwork and so on, must be no more than 1 hour and should really be as short as possible. If you came out of Holyhead for instance with say 50 minutes of your allowed 1 hour left and pushed on to the furthest lay-by you could get to, passing other places to park on the way I am sure questions would be asked.
To be honest I won’t be the one putting it to the test. I tend to errr on the side of caution these days. Plus I started a new digicard a couple of weeks ago, I’m trying my hardest to keep it unsullied from infringements, unlike the last one!
switchlogic:
To be honest I won’t be the one putting it to the test. I tend to errr on the side of caution these days. Plus I started a new digicard a couple of weeks ago, I’m trying my hardest to keep it unsullied from infringements, unlike the last one!
I’ve had 1 infringement on my current card, which started on the 1st of July last year, but with what I do it is very difficult to get any infringements. The one I did get was after being delayed by traffic I got back to the yard and by the time I had got through the gate and onto a bay I had clocked up 4 hours 32 minutes driving so not the end of the world, and it’s over 6 months old now so doesn’t matter any more.
