Brilliant Mike. 
those straps could have someones eye out
top readā¦enjoy reading your write up.
At least ASDA Wigan are trying to be PC. If they do find an illegal immigrant they are offered a job with all the benefits.
I dont really understand how anyone can tell a driver to buckle up a tautliner properly but if it makes them happy, I would have still been arguing with the security 
This week I came across a new sign.
āHealth and Safety Noticeā
IT IS FORBIDDEN FOR DRIVERS TO TAKE PLASTIC CUPS OUT OF THIS ROOM FOR REASONS OF SAFETY.
ANY DRIVERS WHO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS INSTRUCTION MAY BE ASKED TO LEAVE THE SITE.
Signed Health & Safety Team.
How dangerous can an angry plastic cup be?
Brilliant read as always Mike 
you may cut your finger wheelnut on the plastic cup edge.
Mike-C:
āMake sure you get a trem card with that load Mickā, yeah ok, wil do.
It was the most illegible fax i have ever seen in my life, it was unreadable. Not that iād know what to do if i could read it as i donāt have ADR!!
Cracking story as usual Mike.
One thing bothered me though.
I noticed that you donāt have ADR. Thatās fine, but thatās also why it bothered me. As a rule of thumb, if a tremcard is required, then an ADR licence is also required. Something tells me that not everything is as it should beā¦
IF youāre allowed to carry a load, because ADR doesnāt apply to it, then you DONāT need a tremcard. It could be that the company policy says that a tremcard should accompany any dangerous goods. Either way up, a tremcard must be legible and relevant to the load. BTW, the one in your picture looks like itās out of date as well as being illegible. Since the fines are pretty steep for all concerned, Iād suggest that you you clarify things with the companyās DGSA (or post or PM me the load details and Iāll check for you.). 
8wheels:
Would someone please enlighten me as to what the danger of untucked straps is.
They are obviously very dangerous flapping about when your travelling at 5mph into erlams yard 
dieseldave:
One thing bothered me though.
I noticed that you donāt have ADR. Thatās fine, but thatās also why it bothered me. As a rule of thumb, if a tremcard is required, then an ADR licence is also required. Something tells me that not everything is as it should beā¦IF youāre allowed to carry a load, because ADR doesnāt apply to it, then you DONāT need a tremcard. It could be that the company policy says that a tremcard should accompany any dangerous goods. Either way up, a tremcard must be legible and relevant to the load. BTW, the one in your picture looks like itās out of date as well as being illegible. Since the fines are pretty steep for all concerned, Iād suggest that you you clarify things with the companyās DGSA (or post or PM me the load details and Iāll check for you.).
Hi Dave. Its correct i do not have ADR. When i was asked to collect a container i was then asked to make sure i got a ātrem cardā with it. Now all i know (wrongly or rightly) is that a trem card is usually the advice card for hazardous goods/adr stuff. So i was 99.9% certain i couldnāt carry it. However i was picking it up from the dock and āsetting it upā for someone else to take the next day. The yard i was taking to was actually in the dock so i never left the dock with it. Iām well aware that the roads in the dock are public and that the regulations still apply, but i donāt really think i would stand a good chance of being stopped in the dock and asked to pop the container doors? If i was stopped i would of swallowed the ātrem cardā and pleaded ignorance !!!
I would not of taken it out of the dock by the way. Just shows you how easy it is though to get stung, and thats why i posted it up in the first place really, just to highlight how easy you can fall foul off the regs. I drove through a security gate, past port police and customs and excise with it.
Mind you, Port Police and Customs and Excise men donāt do anything other that turn up for work and collect a wage!!! Me on the other hand have to chance my arm to earn a living by taking dangerous goods with no licence !!!
Mike-C:
Hi Dave. Its correct i do not have ADR. When i was asked to collect a container i was then asked to make sure i got a ātrem cardā with it. Now all i know (wrongly or rightly) is that a trem card is usually the advice card for hazardous goods/adr stuff. So i was 99.9% certain i couldnāt carry it. However i was picking it up from the dock and āsetting it upā for someone else to take the next day. The yard i was taking to was actually in the dock so i never left the dock with it.
There is an exemption for you here Mike. Dangerous goods can be transferred between two depots/yards āin the immediate vicinityā and the other good bit is: āeven if they are separated by a public road,ā so you were OK with that one even if it was a 40ā box full!!. Now I understand why they said to get a tremcard. That would be for the other driver once youād set up the job. All perfectly legal
Mike-C:
Iām well aware that the roads in the dock are public and that the regulations still apply, but i donāt really think i would stand a good chance of being stopped in the dock and asked to pop the container doors? If i was stopped i would of swallowed the ātrem cardā and pleaded ignorance !!!
I would not of taken it out of the dock by the way. Just shows you how easy it is though to get stung, and thats why i posted it up in the first place really, just to highlight how easy you can fall foul off the regs. I drove through a security gate, past port police and customs and excise with it.
Spot-on Mike (see above) That was one of my reasons for joining the forum in the first place. Iād had a look around, and seen some ADR questions. What really annoys me is the way that some firms deliberately mislead drivers. 
Sometimes, itās just their own ignorance. Sometimes, ducking and diving will just get them into even more trouble On this occasion, just tell 'em Dave said Reg.14(1)(b) keeps you in the clear (But itās true )
Mike-C:
Mind you, Port Police and Customs and Excise men donāt do anything other that turn up for work and collect a wage!!! Me on the other hand have to chance my arm to earn a living by taking dangerous goods with no licence !!!
Agreed!! But please donāt get caught. Thereās plenty of exemptions for those who know where to find them.
If youāve got time for a read, grab a butty and a brew, then have a look at this to discover some ADR exemptions: http://trucknetuk.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=23162
dieseldave:
[There is an exemption for you here Mike. Dangerous goods can be transferred between two depots/yards āin the immediate vicinityā and the other good bit is: āeven if they are separated by a public road,ā so you were OK with that one even if it was a 40ā box full!!. Now I understand why they said to get a tremcard. That would be for the other driver once youād set up the job. All perfectly legal
Thanks for that Dave, handy to know ,not that i ever touch the stuff a lot but still handy.
dieseldave:
[There is an exemption for you here Mike.
Ah yes, this phrase is well known throughout the northwest.
just tell 'em Dave said Reg.14(1)(b) keeps you in the clear
And yet another well worn phrase, but for goodness sake donāt start off with āmy mate told meā¦ā
As ever good diary Mike (pmsl) and good advice Dave.
Spardo:
dieseldave:
[There is an exemption for you here Mike.Ah yes, this phrase is well known throughout the northwest.
just tell 'em Dave said Reg.14(1)(b) keeps you in the clear
And yet another well worn phrase, but for goodness sake donāt start off with āmy mate told meā¦ā
As ever good diary Mike (pmsl) and good advice Dave.
Hi Spardo, Itās like I said, it really winds me up when firms take advantage of drivers, especially with ADR stuff. Some of them take on work just for the sake of it, and then get it done by any means possible. My point is that Mike wasnāt to know (on this occasion) that what heād been asked to do was legal. It makes me wonder whether the boss knew?? I put the quote in the way I did, because I know that Mike likes a bit of banter but it is accurate.
IMHO, if the TM were on top of his job, heād have told Mike that it was OK. As it was, and if we pause for thought, I think that Mike was put in a potentially awful position. Some TMs are beyond belief. Mind you, if they play good golf and still let the chairman beat them, their job should be fairly safeā¦
Meanwhile, Iāll still be here for any driver with an ADR-related headache