How do you no that?have you seen the contract?
Here`s a link to some more wheelin and a dealin.
There’s one killer question for me: Can you pull for anyone else/pick your own backloads, or tied to what ES give you?
IF you can take other, non-ES loads, then there’s potential to operate like an owner driver.
IF you can only do ES work, then there’s no difference from being a driver, albeit a driver taking all the risk.
pip2209:
Here`s a link to some more wheelin and a dealin.
"Its was also revealed last week, that the company was planning to buy a property portfolio from a company owned by chief executive Andrew Tinkler and chief operating officer William Stobart.
The firm will pay £12.3 million for the properties — based mainly in the south east — and will also take on nearly £90m of bank debt, giving the deal an overall value of £101.2m."
Sound like a couple of spivs, rack up a load of dept on property deals then sell it to the company you run 
cieranc:
There’s one killer question for me: Can you pull for anyone else/pick your own backloads, or tied to what ES give you?
Well that’s not likely is it…
You run in their colours and the work is probably planned the day before.
“Sorry mate I’ve sorted a load for today”
As if 
steve_24v:
pip2209:
Here`s a link to some more wheelin and a dealin."Its was also revealed last week, that the company was planning to buy a property portfolio from a company owned by chief executive Andrew Tinkler and chief operating officer William Stobart.
The firm will pay £12.3 million for the properties — based mainly in the south east — and will also take on nearly £90m of bank debt, giving the deal an overall value of £101.2m."
Sound like a couple of spivs, rack up a load of dept on property deals then sell it to the company you run
And then this…
steve_24v:
Well that’s not likely is it…
You run in their colours and the work is probably planned the day before.
“Sorry mate I’ve sorted a load for today”
As if
If that turns out to be the case, then the franchisee is in effect just a driver, and the whole ‘self-employed’ thing is just a front.
It would be a hell of a lot of liability to take on to do, what is in effect, an ordinary driving job.
To be self-employed you need to work for more than one company, this is from Directgov;
You are probably self-employed if you:
-run your own business and take responsibility for its success or failure
-have several customers at the same time
-can decide how, when and where you do your work
-are free to hire other people to do the work for you or help you at your own expense
-provide the main items of equipment to do your work
You are probably employed if you:
-have to do the work yourself
-work for one person at a time, who is in charge of what you do and takes on the risks of the business
-can be told how, when and where you do your work
-have to work a set amount of hours
-are paid a regular amount according to the hours you work, and get paid for working overtime - even if you do casual or part-time work, you can still be employed
Tiger.
Not been following this too closely but Tarmac do this type of thing don’t they, and how do their drivers get on with it ? and Langdons years ago done it too i believe.
Difference there is the Tarmac lads own their trucks, so are genuine owner drivers, and could take work from someone else if they choose to (well the lads round here run loads for me anyway).
In this case, the truck and trailer belongs to ESL, from whom you rent it. So you’re not an owner driver, you’re a self employed driver, who rents his truck from his one and only customer 
In any other guise this would be totally laughable:
“We’ve sacked our trampers, so we’re offering you the chance for you to go self employed, get your own O license, rent our truck off us and do the work our trampers did, without holiday pay, sick pay, Nat ins, or pension. We want the truck running 24/7 so you will have to pay for another driver whilst you’re off. You can pay for the maintenance and tyres on our truck. Oh, and by the way, you pay for the diesel, but don’t worry, we’ll sell you some of ours”.
Alternately you could just do exactly the same job but without having to pay for the privelige, simply by getting a job for someone else.
cieranc:
Difference there is the Tarmac lads own their trucks, so are genuine owner drivers, and could take work from someone else if they choose to (well the lads round here run loads for me anyway).In this case, the truck and trailer belongs to ESL, from whom you rent it. So you’re not an owner driver, you’re a self employed driver.
A bit like my wife who is a driving instructor then, she’s franchised to a company and doesn’t own the car and technically can only work for this company.
Does your wife book her own work/pick and choose jobs as she sees fit?
Or does she have to take the work given to her, and supply another driver if she is off?
Does she pay for the maintenance and tyres on the car?
Just curious.
I understand the ‘can only work for one company’ bit, that makes sense, but it appears the ESL franchise want the truck manned when you’re off, implying you take what work they give you wether you want it or not.
That doesn’t ring true of the free voice of an owner driver, that sounds like the ‘do as you’re told’ of an employee.
It’s not O/Ds that Stobart are looking for, it’s employees who’re stupid enough to pay for the truck they use.
cieranc:
There’s one killer question for me: Can you pull for anyone else/pick your own backloads, or tied to what ES give you?IF you can take other, non-ES loads, then there’s potential to operate like an owner driver.
IF you can only do ES work, then there’s no difference from being a driver, albeit a driver taking all the risk.
Can a franchisee for mcdonalds sell burger kings burgers or Kfcs chicken
She gets work off the company but if she picks up her own work she is suppose to tell her company this.
cieranc:
Does your wife book her own work/pick and choose jobs as she sees fit?
Or does she have to take the work given to her, and supply another driver if she is off?
Does she pay for the maintenance and tyres on the car?Just curious.
I understand the ‘can only work for one company’ bit, that makes sense, but it appears the ESL franchise want the truck manned when you’re off, implying you take what work they give you wether you want it or not.
That doesn’t ring true of the free voice of an owner driver, that sounds like the ‘do as you’re told’ of an employee.
It’s not O/Ds that Stobart are looking for, it’s employees who’re stupid enough to pay for the truck they use.
Sorry missed a bit, she can pick and choose to a certain extent, and if she’s off then the pupil either goes without or my missus will sort out another instructor.
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
Just a thought about the o-licence question, isn’t it the owner of the vehicle have to be the holder? If so the owner of the vehicle is ESL so they should hold the o-licence.
The CPC will be for record keeping and such likeIt’s not theirs anymore,
This is our England now.
Paaaaarrrrrrttttttttyyyyyyyy
as most vehicles are leased nowadays are you suggesting that the leasing companies hold hundreds of O licences for these vehicles in seperate licencing areas of the UK because they own them 
The operators licence has to be held by the operator,
there is a clue in there somewhere
Fastrantiger:
To be self-employed you need to work for more than one company
how many companies are in the stobart group?
stevie
Loads mate, 60 odd I think.
cieranc:
Loads mate, 60 odd I think.
there goes the one company theory then
stevie
stevieboy308:
Fastrantiger:
To be self-employed you need to work for more than one companyhow many companies are in the stobart group?
stevie
This may be the way they are getting around the ‘working for more than one company’ bit.
Load out for Stobart Logistics and backload for Stobart Transport.
Just a thought.