chester:
As a LGV driver how would this be a bad thing?
I agree. Reducing the difference in speed limits between HGV’s and other traffic improves traffic flow and increases safety.
You’re a driver but you think that lower speed differentials between cars and trucks would be a good thing.Be careful what you wish for the next time you get blocked in lane 1 waiting for a line of cars to go crawling through in lane 2.Although those with such logic are also the same lot who think that lane changing trucks have priority over overtaking traffic.While you’ve also obviously never heard of the issue of cars being sideswiped by left hand drive lane changing trucks because of cars spending too much time in their blind spots.
chester:
As a LGV driver how would this be a bad thing?
I agree. Reducing the difference in speed limits between HGV’s and other traffic improves traffic flow and increases safety.
You’re a driver but you think that lower speed differentials between cars and trucks would be a good thing.Be careful what you wish for the next time you get blocked in lane 1 waiting for a line of cars to go crawling through in lane 2.Although those with such logic are also the same lot who think that lane changing trucks have priority over overtaking traffic.While you’ve also obviously never heard of the issue of cars being sideswiped by left hand drive lane changing trucks because of cars spending too much time in their blind spots.
By your comments I’m actually doubting whether YOU are actually a driver. Haven’t you heard of indicators■■? I tend to use them when I want to change lanes. And no, I’m not aware of this common occurence you appear to have fantasies about where cars are “side swiped” off the road by left hand drive trucks. Not come across or heard of one single instance of this in 30 years of driving actually.
chester:
As a LGV driver how would this be a bad thing?
I agree. Reducing the difference in speed limits between HGV’s and other traffic improves traffic flow and increases safety.
You’re a driver but you think that lower speed differentials between cars and trucks would be a good thing.Be careful what you wish for the next time you get blocked in lane 1 waiting for a line of cars to go crawling through in lane 2.Although those with such logic are also the same lot who think that lane changing trucks have priority over overtaking traffic.While you’ve also obviously never heard of the issue of cars being sideswiped by left hand drive lane changing trucks because of cars spending too much time in their blind spots.
By your comments I’m actually doubting whether YOU are actually a driver. Haven’t you heard of indicators■■? I tend to use them when I want to change lanes. And no, I’m not aware of this common occurence you appear to have fantasies about where cars are “side swiped” off the road by left hand drive trucks. Not come across or heard of one single instance of this in 30 years of driving actually.
Bizarre
It’s obvious that I learn’t more in my time as a driver than you have so far.Here’s a clue indicators don’t change the fact that if something is there you are ‘supposed’ to wait and the longer it’s there the longer you’ll have to wait.
Although there are plenty of muppets out there,who’d like to think that they are ‘drivers’ who don’t agree with that simple rule and who think that indicating is sufficient to allow the zb’s pull out on overtaking traffic.
Carryfast:
It’s obvious that I learn’t more in my time as a driver than you have so far.
And you make this assumption based on what exactly? Another one of your fantasies?
Carryfast:
Here’s a clue indicators don’t change the fact that if something is there you are ‘supposed’ to wait. . . .
Reminds me of a Fawlty Towers episode when Basil tells Cybil “You should go on Mastermind dear. Specialist subject - THE BLEEDING OBVIOUS!”
You’re priceless!
I’ve based the fact that I’ve learn’t more in my time as a driver than you have on the contradiction contained in your bs posts.You should apply for a job as transport minister.
So exactly how in your stated view would ‘using your indicators’ make the slightest difference to the fact that if you lower the speed differentials between cars and trucks those cars will take longer to overtake therefore the longer you’ll have to wait.Although your lack of understanding isn’t surprising considering that you don’t even know about the left hand drive blind spot sideswipe issue.
Okay so maybe lower speeds reduce emissions, maybe but driving slower means your driving for more time meaning your pumping out emissions for longer, doesn’t it cancel itself out?
go slow I have been drinking
Drift:
Okay so maybe lower speeds reduce emissions, maybe but driving slower means your driving for more time meaning your pumping out emissions for longer, doesn’t it cancel itself out?
go slow I have been drinking
There are ‘arguable’ consumption and emissions reductions by going slower.But that would then depend on wether the Greens/Socialists have got an electoral mandate to impose Green/Socialist policy.In general the motorway system is being turned into an over priced pointless liability subject to a similar/same speed regime as single carriageway roads subject to the NSL.It’s then just a matter of time until the zb’s in government reduce non motorway NSL limits in order to justify the lower speed regime on motorways.
Drift:
Okay so maybe lower speeds reduce emissions, maybe but driving slower means your driving for more time meaning your pumping out emissions for longer, doesn’t it cancel itself out?
go slow I have been drinking
There are ‘arguable’ consumption and emissions reductions by going slower.But that would then depend on wether the Greens/Socialists have got an electoral mandate to impose Green/Socialist policy.In general the motorway system is being turned into an over priced pointless liability subject to a similar/same speed regime as single carriageway roads subject to the NSL.It’s then just a matter of time until the zb’s in government reduce non motorway NSL limits in order to justify the lower speed regime on motorways.
So its rules for rules sake and we in the UK will abide by it while the rest or majority of the EU do their own thing?
Drift:
Okay so maybe lower speeds reduce emissions, maybe but driving slower means your driving for more time meaning your pumping out emissions for longer, doesn’t it cancel itself out?
go slow I have been drinking
There are ‘arguable’ consumption and emissions reductions by going slower.But that would then depend on wether the Greens/Socialists have got an electoral mandate to impose Green/Socialist policy.In general the motorway system is being turned into an over priced pointless liability subject to a similar/same speed regime as single carriageway roads subject to the NSL.It’s then just a matter of time until the zb’s in government reduce non motorway NSL limits in order to justify the lower speed regime on motorways.
So its rules for rules sake and we in the UK will abide by it while the rest or majority of the EU do their own thing?
You can bet that ‘if’ our own government weren’t all for it then they’d opt out of the bs policy just like in the case of all the other things they’ve opted out of over the years.
I may be wrong but I can’t see that imposing a 60 limit on the busiest sections of motorway is going to make any difference to emissions as the traffic will rarely be travelling at that anyway and considerably slower at peak times.
I clogged up my DPF by driving in a high gear at low speed , was doing 30 in 5th and was more or less at tickover , I was changing gear around 1200 rpm , thought it was brilliant lol then it had to goto garage. I now drive it “normal” and it’s just as economical
You have to look at the big picture,a diesel has to be turning at about 2000 rpm and a petrol at about 2500.There is no point in saving fuel and racking up maintenance bills instead.We should all cycle short distances.
alamcculloch:
You have to look at the big picture,a diesel has to be turning at about 2000 rpm and a petrol at about 2500.There is no point in saving fuel and racking up maintenance bills instead.We should all cycle short distances.
Cycling isn’t exactly relevant to the issue of an unrealistic politically driven motorway speed enforcement regime.As for what anyone ‘should’ do it’s supposed to be a free country just as it’s been in previous years.In which case those who choose to use public roads to drive a motor vehicle 'shouldn’t be prevented from doing so regardless of any arbitrary distance.
Drift:
Okay so maybe lower speeds reduce emissions, maybe but driving slower means your driving for more time meaning your pumping out emissions for longer, doesn’t it cancel itself out?
go slow I have been drinking
Just been on Top Gear about the proposed motorway speed limit reductions, Apparently its to reduce NoX emmisions and Clarkson is blaming trucks, but isn’t that what SCR and EGR were supposed to reduce and the regs came on with Euro 4 engines that was about 2006. I’m sure most HGV are now well into that.
But what about diesel cars and vans, many well over 10 years old and most of these emmisions things don’t work a full effect until the engine is running at full temp.
So the real culprit, the school run? the 10 minute commute to work?
Maybe?
As for it being all the EU’s fault, well it seems simple directive from the EU reach the UK law makers and get a bit of gold plating. I reckon there’s another agenda and its not from the EU?
That is why I advocate cycling the really short distances.When I am near schools and see the Chelsea Tractors blocking the way The post and Brake Bros. cant do their work until the yummy mummies depart to the coffee shop.
alamcculloch:
That is why I advocate cycling the really short distances.When I am near schools and see the Chelsea Tractors blocking the way The post and Brake Bros. cant do their work until the yummy mummies depart to the coffee shop.
I’m all for it aswell and proper cycle ways, not these stupid lines on the road, along with safe routes to school and home zones, might sound great for truck drivers at first, but if it took off and reduced the amount of cars on the road it would have to be good for us. Was driving through a group villages in Germany recently and saw a proper cycle path between those villages being well used by young and old, just to go about thier dialy business.
alamcculloch:
That is why I advocate cycling the really short distances.When I am near schools and see the Chelsea Tractors blocking the way The post and Brake Bros. cant do their work until the yummy mummies depart to the coffee shop.
None of which is relevant in the case of motorway journeys which at least is what the limits in question are all about.The fact is they’ve spent tax payers’ money on multi lane roads which are ‘supposed’ to be all about faster transport and then want to impose ridiculous speed limits on them to make rail transport seem like a good bet to the big business investors.
