orys:
Harry Monk:
Well there you go. The UK authorities are the fire brigade, Macron is the arsonist.If you look at the last paragraph of my piece, you’ll see that I never denied that it’s the France who is to blame. But this piece is not about how bad arsonist Macron is. This piece is about how [zb] Fire Brigade Britain was.
I agree with you. The response from the authorities should have been better. I’ve never said anything else. Hopefully lessons will be learned.
Harry Monk:
I agree with you. The response from the authorities should have been better. I’ve never said anything else. Hopefully lessons will be learned.
And, as in the old days, we can always find something we could agree on. 
I truly hope this lesson won’t be needed. I really hope that crosschannel traffic after Brexit, even with all the extra paperwork, will go smoother than that. Polish hauliers and speditors told me that rates for freights to the UK doubled even before all that COVID-border-closure started, later a British person I know told me that their usual Spanish haulier quoted them triple the price and demanded they would pay 3000 euro penalty for each 24 hours his lorry is stuck in England… Every single Polish haulier or driver with whom I spoke to write that article told me that if they will continue to come to Britain, they will expect to be paid “much, much more” for their work. Which worries me. I still live in this country and would not fancy to pay 5 pounds for a tomato or a salad in my local Aldi, as I am not exactly keen on a traditional Scottish diet of turnips, tatties and kippers…
EDIT: BTW: Polish hauliers consider class action and suing the French government, I am sorry but the only source for that I have is in Polish: logistyka.rp.pl/transport/11330 … r_redirect
orys:
milodon:
The difference is, that Germans reacted within hours, providing an adequate amount of water and toilets and other help as required.
Perhaps they still feel guilty? 
Harry Monk:
orys:
milodon:
The difference is, that Germans reacted within hours, providing an adequate amount of water and toilets and other help as required.Perhaps they still feel guilty?
Don’t mention the war!
Btw, sent you a PM about something completelly different
orys:
Harry Monk:
I agree with you. The response from the authorities should have been better. I’ve never said anything else. Hopefully lessons will be learned.And, as in the old days, we can always find something we could agree on.
Well, it is so good that you are back. Honestly. We missed you.
I’m sure we will never agree on everything, that’s what a forum is all about. But so long as we both make our points politely and respectfully then I am sure we can both continue to accept that while our viewpoints may sometimes coincide, equally they may differ on issues.
I see it as Macron who conspired to keep Polish drivers away from their families at Christmas, not our bumbling buffoon of a leader who is useless rather than heartless.
Hey Orys, how ya doing?
Absolutely the UK and Kent authorities could have handled things much better in this blockade cluster ■■■■.
Not just for the welfare of the innocent and unfortunate drivers (who were being used as Political pawns) but more so to show that Macron ■■■■ that he can’t ‘play’ and show up the UK just because he’s severely ■■■■■■ over Brexit, using Covid as a convenient card to enhance it.
Unfortunately he succeeded.I just hope it comes back to bite him, (and his other EU cronies who I’m sure were in on it) on the arse.
As I said before those Economic scroungers at the other side of the channel masquerading as refugees,.get better welfare consideration than guys away from their homes and families, just making a living.
I’m highly surprised this thread has not attracted some of the narrow minded and ignorant anti EE driver attitude we normally get on here. 
Harry Monk:
I see it as Macron who conspired to keep Polish drivers away from their families at Christmas, not our bumbling buffoon of a leader who is useless rather than heartless.
I see Macron, who did all that to show to your bumbling buffoon how a no-deal Brexit would like, so he stops being silly and actually signs the only deal he could get instead of trying to drag it ever futher, or pushing for no-deal (which, while disastrous mostly for Britain would also be not that good for the UE). I don’t think Macron gives a ■■■■ about Polish or any other drivers.
Mind you: this article is focused on Polish drivers because it was commissioned by a Polish paper (a regional one, so they also asked if I could find someone from THEIR region to speak). But it was not only Poles, who were in this situation.
orys:
Harry Monk:
I see it as Macron who conspired to keep Polish drivers away from their families at Christmas, not our bumbling buffoon of a leader who is useless rather than heartless.I see Macron, who did all that to show to your bumbling buffoon how a no-deal Brexit would like,
So it wasn’t actually about Coronavirus then?
robroy:
Hey Orys, how ya doing?
I’ve been know to do better, but I am still alive and kicking so it’s not so bad, thank you
I’m highly surprised this thread has not attracted some of the narrow minded and ignorant anti EE driver attitude we normally get on here.
So those are still here, eh? I see I might be right that I didn’t dare to peek outside of that thread
Harry Monk:
So it wasn’t actually about Coronavirus then?
Covid was a pretext in this case, I believe. But it does not mean that it’s a hoax in general. Believe me, I have much more first-hand evidence of that than I would like to see 
orys:
Covid was a pretext in this case, I believe. But it does not mean that it’s a hoax in general. Believe me, I have much more first-hand evidence of that than I would like to see
My understanding is that out of 21,849 tests carried out in Kent, only 66 proved positive. So an infection rate of 0.3% compared to the infection rate in France of 6.2%.
Yes, it is a hoax. The whole thing is an enormous lie. Covid-19 is a completely average Winter virus, such as happens every Winter, nothing more and nothing less. What Macron did was a political act designed solely to further the rights of French fishermen to fish in British waters.
orys:
Actually, I have mostly praised Germans, because this is where the people were stranded for UP TO 19 HOURS (yes, I checked that after your post)
It’s at the same time funny and sad, how someone who fancies himself to be something of a journalist, can be so narrow-minded and outright ignorant when he receives information that doesn’t fit into his little view of the world. I’m sure there’s not much on the problem on websites ending in .pl, but if you could take your fingers out of your ears and quit yelling “La-la-la” for a second, here’s a few links.
“We are all desperate, cold and sleepless here for the third day,” Janina Stukiene, who was stuck on Lithuania’s border with Poland with her husband and son, told WTMJ Television Network on Tuesday. “We just want to go home.”
Ferry arrived in Sassnitz Wednesday evening, a 24-hour sailing. The promised convoy was supposed to take place on Monday and people were stuck at the border from Sunday. I’m seeing a discrepancy here regarding the 19 hours, again?
Care to find any port-a-potties or six-packs of water from the video?
That’s all of two minutes of googling, would you like some more?
After all those years I still don’t really know why any mention of Poland other than “Poland is [zb]” is a call for a battle for you. You definitely have some issues. But don’t worry, I don’t care anymore.
It’s either a subconsciously self-loathing east-european orys at play here or just a simple kind of regular citizen of a populous nation who, for some reason, likes to both take credit for every single magnificent thing their countrymen have done and see it as a call to arms when someone mentions something about the country they long ago left, that doesn’t fit into the ideal they have conjured up in their minds. Long after she or he has forgotten, what made them leave in the first place.
I don’t have any issues with Poland. Have several really nice coworkers actually and even took my family to a coworkers wedding near Krakow in the summer of '17. None of them sleep under a picture of Jarosław Kaczyński though.
milodon:
here’s a few links.“We are all desperate, cold and sleepless here for the third day,” Janina Stukiene, who was stuck on Lithuania’s border with Poland with her husband and son, told WTMJ Television Network on Tuesday. “We just want to go home.”
Coronavirus: Trucks in 37-Mile Traffic Jams As Europe Shuts Borders
You haven’t read them before posting, eh?
“and waiting up to 18 hours at several EU borders”
Last time I checked, “up to 18 hours” it was not “days”.
Ferry arrived in Sassnitz Wednesday evening, a 24-hour sailing. The promised convoy was supposed to take place on Monday and people were stuck at the border from Sunday. I’m seeing a discrepancy here regarding the 19 hours, again?
Hundreds register for ship sent to bring Balts back from Germany | News | ERR
Well. I don’t. Perhaps because I realise that Monday is the day after Sunday, so if you arrive at the border on Sunday afternoon, 19 hours later is Monday. Moreover, if you arrive at the border on 23:59 on Sunday, and leave it on 0:01 on Monday, you’ve been there 2 minutes, and still you have arrived on Sunday and left on Monday.
Care to find any port-a-potties or six-packs of water from the video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znb0VkwbN0o
No. But it took me literally seconds to find picture of the water available for drivers:
facebook.com/lwoweknasygnal … 9738681136
although I dread to show it here, because it seems that this one is, actually, on the Polish side…
That’s all of two minutes of googling, would you like some more?
Don’t bother, you just reminded me what is different about this forum. Last time I was here, I had you blacklisted, the quality of it was greatly improved.
It’s either a subconsciously self-loathing east-european orys at play here or just a simple kind of regular citizen of a populous nation who, for some reason, likes to both take credit for every single magnificent thing their countrymen have done and see it as a call to arms when someone mentions something about the country they long ago left, that doesn’t fit into the ideal they have conjured up in their minds. Long after she or he has forgotten, what made them leave in the first place.
I don’t have any issues with Poland. Have several really nice coworkers actually and even took my family to a coworkers wedding near Krakow in the summer of '17. None of them sleep under a picture of Jarosław Kaczyński though.
You sound awfully like one of those racist guys who always say “I am not racist, I even know a guy who’s black” now
orys:
GasGas:
Great to hear from you again Tomasz!Fantastic article…would you object if I used some attributed quotes from it?
No, please go ahead. I want it to spread, people should know how the UK government treats drivers.
Just link to the source if you can, please.
Thank you…I’m happy to do this.
RE: the BBC…Radio 4 is far better for news and current affairs than the Beeb’s TV channels. The best coverage I could find of Covid was on More or Less…
GasGas:
RE: the BBC…Radio 4 is far better for news and current affairs than the Beeb’s TV channels. The best coverage I could find of Covid was on More or Less…
Yeah, the BBC4 is the only station I really listen. And More or Less is brilliant, I listen to it as a podcast!
Your English seems to have improved, your insufferable personality not so much. Picking and choosing snippets to fit your agenda, like the patronizing t+++ never left
The lorries waited for 18 hours, the passenger cars waited for days. The border was shut midnight to Sunday. The convoy was supposed to happen on Monday. When it became apparent that the promise of the Polish government to let people through in a convoy was not worth anything, only then did the Estonian government make quick arrangements to send out a ferry. Which left Tuesday evening, arriviving late Wednesday. Time for some primary-school mental gymnastics again, orys, how is this not longer than 19 hours?
I saw people handing out pizzas and other food to the drivers at the airport, therefore your report is false, because I know they are taken care of 
Yeah I’d have you blocked as well but unfortunately the message board shows when someone you’ve blocked posts something and looking at your posts is like staring at a trainwreck 
Don’t bother, I blocked you again. And now I added a filter rule to my e-mail, so I won’t see any more notifications from you.
Oh yes, patronizing ad-hominem attacks and blocking. The two most important tools for any self-respecting journalist
Harry Monk:
I’ve never said anything else. Hopefully lessons will be learned.
In the UK? Dream on
Harry Monk:
Yes, it is a hoax. The whole thing is an enormous lie. Covid-19 is a completely average Winter virus, such as happens every Winter, nothing more and nothing less.
Oh, good to know. I have to tell that to my father’s childhood friend. Or to my mother’s coworker. Ah wait, I can’t, because they are dead, along with 30000 or so of extra Polish people who died this year compared to the last.
How silly they are, to die of the ordinary winter virus! To fell for such a hoax that even a random guys on the internet without medical knowledge can see through it. How people can be so silly and fall for it?
Take that colleague from my work, who spent 4 weeks in the hospital this spring, one of it in coma on the intensive therapy. Does he not have some better things to do in a beautiful month of April? Or my friend, who is just recovering from an ordinary winter virus and is still struggling to get up 12 stairs to her flat, I wonder how much they paid her to pull my finger like that. I am sure she’s running marathons when nobody’s looking.
Or that idiot girl from my partner’s work who keeps crying because both of her parents died within a week from each other. Should we tell her it’s all a hoax now, or should we wait for her parents to pop out from the cupboard crying “gotcha!”, so we won’t spoil the joke?
My wife is still recovering, 8 weeks after getting it.
Those who think it’s a hoax, are those who have been lucky enough to avoid it, so far.