Wheel Nut:
Again you have us at a major disadvantage, our (British) loading staff, forklift drivers and depot managers have no responsibility for the load once it leaves their domain. The GB driver has to carry the can, even though he is prevented by silly rules to supervise or organise his cargo.
Hi Malc, What Pete might have forgotten is that the UK is different to Germany, but Pete is spot-on correct in his comment about Germany.
German law does indeed hold the consignor responsible for far more than UK law does.
I honestly wish that we could adopt the notion of ‘consignor responsibility’ in the UK.
(Responsibility for supplying a correct weight declaration to the carrier would be a good starting point. )
Put another way, if a German consignor had the same uncaring attiude as the average UK consignor, they’d be heavily fined or shut down.
@dieseldave, as said before they (germans) do take action against the loader
(consignee)EVEN IF THEY ARE FROM FIRMS OUTSIDE of GERMANY, I will try to get a concrete answer asap, showing the exact wording used ,please have a bit of patience
Wheel Nut:
Again you have us at a major disadvantage, our (British) loading staff, forklift drivers and depot managers have no responsibility for the load once it leaves their domain. The GB driver has to carry the can, even though he is prevented by silly rules to supervise or organise his cargo.
Hi Malc, What Pete might have forgotten is that the UK is different to Germany, but Pete is spot-on correct in his comment about Germany.
German law does indeed hold the consignor responsible for far more than UK law does.
I honestly wish that we could adopt the notion of ‘consignor responsibility’ in the UK.
(Responsibility for supplying a correct weight declaration to the carrier would be a good starting point. )
Put another way, if a German consignor had the same uncaring attiude as the average UK consignor, they’d be heavily fined or shut down.
I agree totally with this post Dave.
Consignor liability in the UK is the only way forward.
Concerning checks on the road, all the relevant Belgian authorities (Police, Customs, Ministries of Social security, Work and Transport) decided in 2001 to coordinate their actions. Cargo securing is regularly checked during the joint inspection activities on the road by these authorities. When the checking device notices a badly secured cargo, during a road check, a fine is immediately collected. When somebody is a victim of an accident due to a badly secured cargo, the Court has to decide who is responsible and who has to pay a fine and also an indemnity to the victim.
When the checking device notices a badly secured cargo, during a road check, a fine is immediately collected. - From the driver!!!
brit pete: @dieseldave, as said before they (germans) do take action against the loader
(consignee)EVEN IF THEY ARE FROM FIRMS OUTSIDE of GERMANY, I will try to get a concrete answer asap, showing the exact wording used ,please have a bit of patience
Hi Pete, calm down mate!!
I wasn’t chasing you for an answer, because I already know that what you said above about the loader is correct. I’ve already said so ----- also above!!
@dieseldave my last post was not for you mate , I have sent a e-mail to a young lady at the BAG yet again and hope that they will give a concrete answer,SOON?? showing that
even NON german firms(loader) get done as well,
brit pete: @dieseldave my last post was not for you mate , I have sent a e-mail to a young lady at the BAG yet again and hope that they will give a concrete answer,SOON?? showing that
even NON german firms(loader) get done as well,
Coffeeholic:
Should be interesting first time I get stopped with around 1200 loose parcels in the back. No pallets, no straps, nothing, just the parcels lobbed in the back and the shutter pulled down. I better make sure I have a good book or two if I’m going to be there for a long time while it’s sorted out.
I think you should be pretty safe Neil,all the controls I’ve seen over the last couple of months involved tilts or curtainsiders.
As the man said at the course,many people think the curtains will hold the load in should something go very wrong,but,the curtain is to simply keep the weather out!
Coffeeholic:
Should be interesting first time I get stopped with around 1200 loose parcels in the back. No pallets, no straps, nothing, just the parcels lobbed in the back and the shutter pulled down. I better make sure I have a good book or two if I’m going to be there for a long time while it’s sorted out.
I think you should be pretty safe Neil,all the controls I’ve seen over the last couple of months involved tilts or curtainsiders.
I think I should be, any controls I’ve had over the last couple of years in Belgium or Germany the load, or the security of it, wasn’t even looked at.
Heading down to to the train this morning and just past the maintenance yard near Jabekke I passed a Belgian flat bed artic loaded with bricks and saw that he had indeed secured his load, well if you can call one strap over the top of the last two bundles as secure. Still it’s one more strap than they usually use on those loads so the new regulation must be biting.
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I’ve already said so ----- also above!!
TIP: If a Handelsgesetzbuch is about to fall off a desk, make sure it doesn’t land on your foot. 
