Mystery Dutch truck… Robert
@Robert, we Dutch love mysteries!!! This Scania-Vabis (since 1969 without Vabis) LV75 has
a Roset-cab and operator was Goedkoop&De Geus so GG, later Damco.
@Anorak, you are the PhD here on LV’s…is it possible the V stands for Verheul? They being
the first partner for Beers to satisfy operators’drivers with bigger cabs?
Nice saturday, A-J
ERF-Continental:
@Robert, we Dutch love mysteries!!! This Scania-Vabis (since 1969 without Vabis) LV75 has
a Roset-cab and operator was Goedkoop&De Geus so GG, later Damco.@Anorak, you are the PhD here on LV’s…is it possible the V stands for Verheul? They being
the first partner for Beers to satisfy operators’drivers with bigger cabs?Nice saturday, A-J
I thought the “V” stood for a Dutch or Swedish word, relating to forward control.
I have just looked through this CM article:
It says that the Werkspoor cab was designed by Beers, and weighs less than the “usual all-steel cab”. This may account for the fact that the Van Eck and Werkspoor cabs look similar- as well as doing all the below-the-floor design work, it appears that Beers actually designed the whole cab, simply leaving details to the individual coachbuilder. I reckon Beers must have supplied the LV conversion with a set of drawings of cab parts, to make the coachbuilders’ jobs easier.
Normally N-normaal (so normal control, with hood) and F-front but in Scania-Vabis nomenclature
it is L for normal control, LB for front and then S and T for axle-configuration if I am not wrong.
I need to verify further but as said many local manufacturers of body-works did some cabs for
both Scania-Vabis and Volvo, as well as other marques…however most of them had multiple
business, for example busses, thermo-bodies, lift-devices…till now Roset, Van Eck, Werkspoor,
Verheul, Rondaan are the most common known…
By the way, Rondaan was founded in 1915 and still existing as RAF (Rondaan Aanhanwagen Fabriek)
in previous Beetgum later renamed Berlikum in Friesland, the very northern part with a lot of lakes.
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anorak:
Now for a special treat- I have found some more photos of “Big LV,” as I have christened it, here:
transport.jalbum.net/Foto’s%20Jo … 26642.htmlIt doesn’t look quite so big with the two ladies standing in front of it, but Dutch women may be taller than usual! Like other LVs, it appears to use the post-1961 Mercedes windscreen. Your eagle eyes may recognise other parts, for instance the badge below the windscreen. It bears some similarity to the badge on the grille of this other, unidentified, example (which also has the Merc(?) 'screen):
As a lot of question and answers crossed this thread I assume you do know that the Scania-Vabis LV75 as per your logo/picture, so the Vermey, has the badge of Paul as given later in my response?
I don’t have exact information on when Paul & Van Weelde split (Van Weelde continuing with V.D. Ploeg
into the PACTON-business) but Paul continued business in trailers of which the attached leaflet shows
how big the variety of their range was. Judging on the vehicles shown I think it origins from early '70s.
Unfortunately business of Paul ended by the sudden death of Mr. Paul begin of '80s and I lack information
about what happened with his company.
Carrosserie De Graaff also from Zevenhuizen exist since 1906 and is still existing in coöperation
with the German Saxas-group, I’ll try to get in touch and via www.degraaff-carrosserie.nl you
can see some old pictures of the rich history.
Thank you very much, Mr. ERF-Continental. My “favourite” LV now has a name, and a rather elegant badge! I had wondered if the badge was a Verheul one, but now I am sure it is that of Paul.
Are we sure that this Paul is the same one which was part of Paul and van Weelde? It seems strange that they should do two completely different LVs.
Herewith the logo of De Graaff-Zevenhuizen as well as a sturdy cabbed DAF (mind 4-axles)
To my humble opinion and recent knowledge on your LV’s, the SCHOLS is Roset-cabbed and not P&vW
ERF-Continental:
To my humble opinion and recent knowledge on your LV’s, the SCHOLS is Roset-cabbed and not P&vW
Thinking again, does the “V” stand for “Voorstuur”, which may be Dutch for “forward control”? 
Regarding the Roset/PevW question, both cabs clearly have many common parts. I thought the Paul & van Weelde ones had the headlamps in the front panel, while the Roset ones had the lamps in the quarter panels. This is just an impression I get, having looked at a few pictures on the internet. I may be wrong. There are some excellent LV photos here:
flickr.com/photos/kromhout/
but the owner of them attributes some to Roset, but not others. Maybe there is some other distinguishing feature?
Again I am guessing, but it appears that one of the firms had the press tools to make the cab, and the others bought panels or part-finished cabs from that firm. Which one was “in charge”, I wonder?
Via linkedin I am in contact with Ton de Graaff of same company…and to be honest and realistic,
I doubt very much if we will ever know who was leading in this process of Scania-Vabis ensuring the
transporters did not go to the competition who (also) offered more roomy cabs? The row is endless:
De Graaff, Van Eck, Werkspoor, Netam, Roset, Paul, Van Weelde, Verheul, Hoekstra, Hondenbrink,
Rondaan, Van Steenis, Be-Ge, Medema-DAM, Buca, Halcarros and ongoing because every transporter
needed good lorries after the long era of using army-surplus. All of a sudden every truck-builder did
offer cabs themselves…
There is small difference between the Roset with/without headlight in the tunnel-shaped grille though
and moreover, operators/carrossiers were very creative to give a better/modern look on demand!
Sorry to polute your thread…also Fraanje of Goes (South-West…Zeeland, between Antwerp and Rotterdam)
was very active…herewith a DAF A40, still in good shape in the DAF-museum! You saw the DeGraaff-DAF?
By the way, this A40 is from 1950 and to the left you see the chassis with only a small front-panel
@Anorak, I strongly advise you to make a summary on our Dutch-inventions, it’s too much to handle.
I recently searched more in dept but as said not everything is made public or as printed matter gone.
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anorak:ERF-Continental:
To my humble opinion and recent knowledge on your LV’s, the SCHOLS is Roset-cabbed and not P&vWThinking again, does the “V” stand for “Voorstuur”, which may be Dutch for “forward control”?
Regarding the Roset/PevW question, both cabs clearly have many common parts. I thought the Paul & van Weelde ones had the headlamps in the front panel, while the Roset ones had the lamps in the quarter panels. This is just an impression I get, having looked at a few pictures on the internet. I may be wrong. There are some excellent LV photos here:
flickr.com/photos/kromhout/
but the owner of them attributes some to Roset, but not others. Maybe there is some other distinguishing feature?Again I am guessing, but it appears that one of the firms had the press tools to make the cab, and the others bought panels or part-finished cabs from that firm. Which one was “in charge”, I wonder?
Don’t guess if you don’t know or don’t understand the Dutch language, perhaps the V stands for …whatever.
I grant Scania-Vabis and Beers that professional that they don’t take just a code LV without content…though.
Please focus on what you KNOW and not on what might possible whereas also I like to determine, deduct and exclude facts and the things I see/read.
Have a tremendous start of the week and after asking numerous times …where are you from?
Regarding (again) the “V”, I am 51% certain(!) that I read, somewhere, that it stood for Voor-something or other. I was hoping that someone better-informed could confirm or deny it.
If I am not sure, I say so.
@Anorak, I am not doubting your opinion nor what you saw/read…but with all respect your
Dutch-stating V in terms of voorstuur indicates that this vehicle/chassis (e.g. L75) only was for
the Dutch-market? Beers importing Scania-Vabis since 1946 accounting for more than the half
of exported numbers in those years, had a lot of power in bargaining and dealing but a dedicated
nomenclature in terms of V is to say the least very rare. I assume V has to do with Various in that
way that the chassis/vehicle was sold/exported for numerous applications, the same as the busses
to get a body. Why there are no LVS’s of LVT’s is then another question…
ERF-Continental:
@Anorak, I am not doubting your opinion nor what you saw/read…but with all respect your
Dutch-stating V in terms of voorstuur indicates that this vehicle/chassis (e.g. L75) only was for
the Dutch-market? Beers importing Scania-Vabis since 1946 accounting for more than the half
of exported numbers in those years, had a lot of power in bargaining and dealing but a dedicated
nomenclature in terms of V is to say the least very rare. I assume V has to do with Various in that
way that the chassis/vehicle was sold/exported for numerous applications, the same as the busses
to get a body. Why there are no LVS’s of LVT’s is then another question…
There are LVS’s, but I have never seen an LVT.
Now, here’s a bit of intrigue- the vast majority of LVS75s on the internet have the same cab as that one above (assumed PevW, tbc). The other version of the same cab (assumed Roset, tbc) barely features on 6-wheel chassis at all. How weird is that?