Scania Vabis LV type

I always thought some of the Swedish cabbed LV75 looked like a Scania-Vabis buss , what of the other bulldog 75 the LB75 as shown in a German book , the LB76 came out 1963 as did L76 , was LB75 just before ? , the truck before the F86 was the Viking tip top L4851 with the same Nystrom cab , the Nose VikingL485 could have Nystrom or Be-Ge ,Floby ect cabs.

Lilladan:
I always thought some of the Swedish cabbed LV75 looked like a Scania-Vabis buss , what of the other bulldog 75 the LB75 as shown in a German book , the LB76 came out 1963 as did L76 , was LB75 just before ? , the truck before the F86 was the Viking tip top L4851 with the same Nystrom cab , the Nose VikingL485 could have Nystrom or Be-Ge ,Floby ect cabs.

Hi Lilladan, the only Swedish-cabbed forward control pre-LB76 vehicles I am aware of had BeGe cabs. There is some discussion of these elsewhere in this thread, or on this one:
viewtopic.php?f=35&t=16537&p=1405626
There are links on the forum to other sites, which show these vehicles in the livery of SLAB. That cab was also used by Volvo, presumably before the L4851 was available.

Some of the Dutch LV75s did indeed look like bus front ends, which is what some of the cabs were. There are some photos of these on this forum.

I have never read anything about an LB75- if you have the German book, please scan it and post the pictures here.

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anorak:

Lilladan:
I always thought some of the Swedish cabbed LV75 looked like a Scania-Vabis buss , what of the other bulldog 75 the LB75 as shown in a German book , the LB76 came out 1963 as did L76 , was LB75 just before ? , the truck before the F86 was the Viking tip top L4851 with the same Nystrom cab , the Nose VikingL485 could have Nystrom or Be-Ge ,Floby ect cabs.

Hi Lilladan, the only Swedish-cabbed forward control pre-LB76 vehicles I am aware of had BeGe cabs. There is some discussion of these elsewhere in this thread, or on this one:
viewtopic.php?f=35&t=16537&p=1405626
There are links on the forum to other sites, which show these vehicles in the livery of SLAB. That cab was also used by Volvo, presumably before the L4851 was available.

Some of the Dutch LV75s did indeed look like bus front ends, which is what some of the cabs were. There are some photos of these on this forum.

I have never read anything about an LB75- if you have the German book, please scan it and post the pictures here.

Hey, I have read about a LB75 and there were some photo’s typs,but were never launched. Maybe I will find a picture of one??. In belgium there were converted Scannies and Volvo’s to forword controls too,only a few and from belgian constructors.

greetings Eric,

tiptop495:
Hey, I have read about a LB75 and there were some photo’s typs,but were never launched. Maybe I will find a picture of one??. In belgium there were converted Scannies and Volvo’s to forword controls too,only a few and from belgian constructors.
greetings Eric,

Here is a pic of one of the SLAB lorries. I don’t know whether it was on an L75 or B71 bus chassis:


Is this the type you are thinking of? I would imagine that people would call it LB75, retrospectively, after the LB76 had been launched.
Here is another. I think it is that same type that Lindh shows in his book. It looks like a development prototype, judging by the weights on its back:

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My research into the LV75s has reached a bit of a dead end. There is a slowly-increasing number of photographs on the internet, but nobody seems to know about the various coachbuilders involved or how many lorries each of them built. Some of the coachbuilders are still in business, but make no mention of LV75s in the “history” sections of their websites. Someone out there must have had dealings with the companies involved, and know how they went about their very impressive work. I am still enthused that at least two of them- Roset and van Eck- had the resources to tool up the elaborate pressings and produce “proper” steel cabs, when many larger lorry builders were still messing about with traditional coachbuilding techniques- wood, glassfibre, bits of folded steel here and there. It would be a shame if this history were to be lost forever.

hey anorack what a great inspiration ,se soon what i got out of that :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

The pics you use show upper LV75 the one like a buss and lower the prototyp of LB76 , the LB75 in the book has the same kabine as the production LB76 near enough , ALL of these trucks are on a modified L75 chassis and was used untill 1980s on P and R 112 ect well after Volvo had moven on with new chassis and suspension from 1977 on F series and N from mid 1970s , yes many Viking L485 were converted to cab over Bulldogs untill the new Volvo/ Nystrom tilt kabine from 1962 ( looks as F86) , one truck i would have liked was the Viking Tip-top L4851 with Norrland axel (eaton two speed ) so ten speed (five med overdrive och High en Low shift) made in 1964 to 65 ,motor TD67 approx 170 ps , but what was weights permitted ? in totals ? (top range Leyland Beaver then was 140 ps standard 0.600 motor) and Volvo Titan was 230 ps

Hey, most LV75 were in the Nederlands I think,but here a pic of a Sweed who was an uncommon sight in Sweden. Some volvo’s were built on bus chassis but other on Titan 495 and Viking 485 I read on Scandinaian sites.The second pic Anorak that you posted was the one I meant.But I don’t now if the bus chassis were used on the heavies with trailers because of the strenght.

Cheers Eric,

tiptop495:
Hey, most LV75 were in the Nederlands I think,but here a pic of a Sweed who was an uncommon sight in Sweden. Some volvo’s were built on bus chassis but other on Titan 495 and Viking 485 I read on Scandinaian sites.The second pic Anorak that you posted was the one I meant.But I don’t now if the bus chassis were used on the heavies with trailers because of the strenght.

Cheers Eric,

Never seen one like that before. Is it a Vabis or a Volvo? That cab certainly looks like the front end of a bus. Is that a Norwegian number plate on it?

As far as I can gather, before the LV (1958), some forward-control cabs were built in Sweden on B71s, but I think those BeGe ones were on L75s. I am not sure.

Regarding the “proper” LV75s, I wonder if anyone at Zwolle or Meppel (do they still build cabs there?) will have records? I am assuming that the chassis were supplied from Zwolle. I bet that, somewhere within the bowels of Scania, there are records of every chassis built, and its destination when it left the factory. The names and addresses of all of the coachbuilders will be in there, somewhere…

Hi ,thats a Swedish plate , the English type wheels say it not a Volvo ,could be Scania -Vabis they very slow to chatch up with wheel studs that dont snap off , great pic shows why Bulldogs needed for long body space with 18 M limit on TIR rigs , any one know total recommended weight on Viking tip top 150 ps any spec sheets ? Buss chassis strong only pulled trailer not carried it , :wink: skol

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anorak:

tiptop495:
Hey, most LV75 were in the Nederlands I think,but here a pic of a Sweed who was an uncommon sight in Sweden. Some volvo’s were built on bus chassis but other on Titan 495 and Viking 485 I read on Scandinaian sites.The second pic Anorak that you posted was the one I meant.But I don’t now if the bus chassis were used on the heavies with trailers because of the strenght.

Cheers Eric,

Never seen one like that before. Is it a Vabis or a Volvo? That cab certainly looks like the front end of a bus. Is that a Norwegian number plate on it?

As far as I can gather, before the LV (1958), some forward-control cabs were built in Sweden on B71s, but I think those BeGe ones were on L75s. I am not sure.

Regarding the “proper” LV75s, I wonder if anyone at Zwolle or Meppel (do they still build cabs there?) will have records? I am assuming that the chassis were supplied from Zwolle. I bet that, somewhere within the bowels of Scania, there are records of every chassis built, and its destination when it left the factory. The names and addresses of all of the coachbuilders will be in there, somewhere…

Hey, It’s a Swedish Scanny maybe coachbuilt by a (bus) builder and a bus chassis ■■.

Cheers Eric,

@Anorak…when Van Eck of Lexmond (contact Mr. Liefhebber, perhaps retired meanwhile) is involved, the doors have a Z-form alu-striping.

Hey, here one unknown more,I think lots have built forward control cabs especially coach builders.
Ever some did it already on Surplus Army lorries after war II.
But the Sweeds were long behind and so lots were done, Daf had the edge hier with the DO of course after
England and Germany. It was a lovely cab and everyone wanted one hier, but soon nose cabs took over again
because of the fixed cab, and weakness on power.

Bye Eric,

Eric, this could be a Roset-cab on DAF-chassis, in fact the 7-streper

ERF-Continental:
Eric, this could be a Roset-cab on DAF-chassis, in fact the 7-streper

hey ERF, could be but saw the Scania badge and radiator plug so I thought ■■?

Bye Eric

You are right Eric, I was too familiar with the Roset in relation to DAF

ERF-Continental:
@Anorak…when Van Eck of Lexmond (contact Mr. Liefhebber, perhaps retired meanwhile) is involved, the doors have a Z-form alu-striping.

Was this exclusive to Van Eck? There are several different cabs with it on the door- maybe Van Eck made them all.

Chaps,

Were there other than Dutch cab builders doing the LV, like in France or Belgium for example?

I am not sure if there were Belgian and/or French cab-builders involved. Scania-Vabis was strong in
both Netherlands (with own factories in Zwolle and Meppel) and Belgium (with assembly in Diegem)
but the majority of the cabs on LV’s comes from Paul&Van Weelde, Van Eck, Werkspoor and Roset.

Paul&Van Weelde ‘merged’ after Paul being also succesful with trailers and Van Weelde had a ‘short’
marriage with Pacton (Ploeg) also continuing on their own later.

Van Eck started in Lexmond and Dongen (region Breda) in 1912 and recently celebrated their century,
mainly focussing now on tailor-made body-and trailer-applications in a very niche market. Better known
under trailer-marque EVER but they gained a very good reputation with assembling of cabs for GINAF
(van Ginkel Autofabriek), Terberg, and previously for the very large quantities of REO-army-surplusses.

Werkspoor is from origin a manufacturer of railway-trailers and also supplied body-works for numerous
coaches for NS (Dutch Railways) and special railway-equipment. Company has nothing to do with Werklust
who were wellknown for earth-moving-equipment.

Roset was a very moderate but very specialised company from Bergen op Zoom, some 30miles north from
Antwerp existing from 1949 to 1969. More known for superb coaches, but as earlier, quality has to be paid
and that was the downturn for the company in 1969.

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