mandator:
Anorak, thanks for the beGe input. I found it always bizar that in Belgium the BeGe sleeper cab offered by Denonville SA (importer) was the uncomfortable 1350 or 1450, and not for example the 1600…
Hey F, the same with the day cab we got the 1080 as German Always used the 1200 and most Dutch did too.
Belgian drivers are more satisfied as the Dutch or other 
Eric,
A sad end for a Werkspoor-cabbed LV is described on this site:
noordelijktransport.nl/mbn.html
hey, Friday I met an old colleague after years who had one new in '59, told me later the cabs were made of
glass fibre to hurry a cab change after an accident. Because built a new one could take you some time of road.
He said Beers did the prep work for the coachbuilder, but think he was not so set up with them at his voice ■■?
Eric,
robert1952:
These units seem confused about their identity! Robert
Wow, what a find! Just as we were celebrating Beers’ ingenuity in “productionising” the difficult bits of the cab, a reminder that Turkish coachbuilders can make whatever they want, by hand! I have no doubt that the first vehicle in your post is a Büssing, for they were very popular in Turkey (were they locally assembled before the MAN takeover? I must check that). The cab, however, is locally built. The bloke who built it must have had an LB110 fetish (Who hasn’t?). Here is another the same, built on a different chassis. Photo found on LKW Stefan forum:
tiptop495:
hey, Friday I met an old colleague after years who had one new in '59, told me later the cabs were made of
glass fibre to hurry a cab change after an accident. Because built a new one could take you some time of road.
He said Beers did the prep work for the coachbuilder, but think he was not so set up with them at his voice ■■?Eric,
Hi Eric. That’s an interesting viewpoint. Presumably, Werkspoor would have had a stock of cab shells, ready to be bolted onto the Beers subframe. I guess a metal or wood-framed cab could be done in the same way, but it would be more costly, having all that fabrication etc. hanging around waiting for a home?
What cab did your friend’s 1959 LV have?
Some interesting stuff on here:
myntransportblog.com/page/29/
…including this:
Note that the grill panel is the same as the Roset cab used on the LV75. I don’t know anything else about it, as I find that site very difficult to navigate round. Hopefully others will have more success. The bus appears to be in preservation, judging by the more modern vehicle in the background.
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anorak:tiptop495:
hey, Friday I met an old colleague after years who had one new in '59, told me later the cabs were made of
glass fibre to hurry a cab change after an accident. Because built a new one could take you some time of road.
He said Beers did the prep work for the coachbuilder, but think he was not so set up with them at his voice ■■?Eric,
Hi Eric. That’s an interesting viewpoint. Presumably, Werkspoor would have had a stock of cab shells, ready to be bolted onto the Beers subframe. I guess a metal or wood-framed cab could be done in the same way, but it would be more costly, having all that fabrication etc. hanging around waiting for a home?
What cab did your friend’s 1959 LV have?
Hey A, He drove for JAWICO, you will find a site about them with pics, the cabs were a bit humble about him.
The LB 76 was a lot better,but as the Volvo 4951/F88 came was it even better and a tilting cab.
For me the German coachbuilt were the best if you had a Pullman with a luxuriously cab.
Germans had Always an eye for luxurious cabs, look at the first LP cabs and later the long version asked by costumers.
The first were very often longered by coachbuider,and an option was still a Wackenhut option. But driving quality was lots better with the Sweeds (not suspension).
Eric,
tiptop495:
Hey A, He drove for JAWICO, you will find a site about them with pics, the cabs were a bit humble about him.
The LB 76 was a lot better,but as the Volvo 4951/F88 came was it even better and a tilting cab.
For me the German coachbuilt were the best if you had a Pullman with a luxuriously cab.
Germans had Always an eye for luxurious cabs, look at the first LP cabs and later the long version asked by costumers.
The first were very often longered by coachbuider,and an option was still a Wackenhut option. But driving quality was lots better with the Sweeds (not suspension).Eric,
Hello again Eric. Good information again. I found two Jawico LV75s:
Both are De Graaff cabs. The first one has the same front panels as the one at the 1959 Amsterdam show, so I guess that, if your friend got his in '59, that might be his lorry?
A Swiss one as new.
I have seen pictures of eight surviving LVs on the internet, but no interior shots or reports on what they were like to drive. I bet Mr. Schmid’s LV has a perfectly-restored interior, judging by the presentation of the rest of it.
Where the De Beers LVs available outside Holland when new, like Switzerland ?
This is said to be a LV 71.
Perhaps the Swiss examples were bought as used lorries in Netherlands.
michel:
This is said to be a LV 71.
Perhaps the Swiss examples were bought as used lorries in Netherlands.
Hey Michel, It could be a 71 because the 75 came only in '58 en think there was already a need before '58 for
avancée’s before that time.
Because Germany had them from the early '50’s and think that’s why DAF never built bonneted lorries.
Here the DO was a real revolutionary cab here and very often longered to a sleeper, the only backset was the low powerd Leyland engine.
Eric,
tiptop495:
michel:
This is said to be a LV 71…Perhaps the Swiss examples were bought as used lorries in Netherlands.
Hey Michel, It could be a 71 because the 75 came only in '58 en think there was already a need before '58 for
avancée’s before that time.
Because Germany had them from the early '50’s and think that’s why DAF never built bonneted lorries.
Here the DO was a real revolutionary cab here and very often longered to a sleeper, the only backset was the low powerd Leyland engine.Eric,
That is definitely not an LV75. The cab is mounted too low, and the radiator filler cap is external. Beers LVs had a hinged radiator and opening front panel, so the radiator filler cap was concealed. Is it a modified L71 or a shortened B71 bus chassis with a lorry cab fitted? I would suggest that the latter would be easier to engineer, as the steering column, pedal box and gear linkage would come from the factory- all the coachbuilder need do was build the cab. This is just a guess- it would be great if somone with first-hand knowledge could confirm or deny it, along with many of the other questions surrounding this intriguing subject. Here’s another one I found on the internet, standing next to a pair of real LV75s:
This Beers brochure (posted on here previously) shows all sorts of weird and wonderful creations- a tractor unit similar to Michel’s one above, furniture vans built on bus chassis (B55V as shown earlier in this thread?) and another tractor unit with a BeGe cab, similar to the 1958 S-V test vehicle shown in Lindh’s book. I do not think any of these were LV75s, which makes them more interesting!
Regarding Swiss LVs, three of the preserved examples came from Switzerland, all of them rigids with Van Eck cabs. They have spoked wheels, indicating that they may have been built new for the Swiss market. Apart from Mr. Schmid’s example, there is another at the Setz museum in Dottikon, plus one at the Zandbergen museum in the Netherlands. The owners of these vehicles may know more about their history. I can feel another Euro-tour coming on…
Hey Anorak, could be a bus chassis, but is long to shorten for a tractor, look at the black steering wheel.
And it looks be showed beside an 71/51 which had black steering wheels too.
But normally with the pic here (Chris Hodge) there is a day and place where pictured ■■?
Eric,
tiptop495:
Hey Anorak, could be a bus chassis, but is long to shorten for a tractor, look at the black steering wheel.
And it looks be showed beside an 71/51 which had black steering wheels too.
But normally with the pic here (Chris Hodge) there is a day and place where pictured ■■?Eric,
I will have a look through the Chris Hodge archives later. I would agree with you- it is probably a 71 series, given the steering wheel and the L51/71 next to it. Regarding the chassis length, again I am forced to think again! Maybe it is a mixture- someone, somewhere, developed an “LV71”, using a short wheelbase L71 chassis, plus the linkages etc. from a B71. They would have earned their wages , because there are photographs of several similar vehicles on the internet. They must have built lots of them. I’ll bet you a pint of kriek that the job was done by Beers!
Transportcompany De Letter & De Rechter from Sint Jansteen (Zeeland) bought this LVS75 with
a cab manufactured by Koster from Oud-Sabbinge (Zeeland) a known local cab- and bodymaker.
Great stuff, ERF-C. I have just come out of the workshop, where I was repairing some corroded bodywork on a commercial vehicle! At first glance, the above cab looks to have been built with a kit of parts from Roset. However, with my coachbuilder’s hat on(!), I think the only parts in common with the Roset cab are the glass and, possibly, the windscreen surround panel. I look forward to the opinions of others.
