michel:
And in the 50th, they brought cheese in this Teilhol van not refrigerated with a sheet over. The Berliet is a GLM 10R ‘Ricardo’ engine.
Michel…how did they keep the produce cool ? did they use ice blocks ?
Fergie remember talking to “Anna Banana” as we nicknamed her of an importer of Italian peaches and more (Italfrutta) and when she first started doing it in train carriages they had a hopper on the front of the rolling stock filled with ice and as the train sped along the wind blew through and kept the produce from over heating, they would stop in Germany to refill with ice to last into Stratford station in London and the fruit was distributed from there, Buzzer.
PS. when I first had a frigo it was all hand ball as well, no pallets to be seen and that was 1976.
michel:
Mercedes LP 333 “Chinese six” with Wackenhut cab, rare in France.
Hey Michel, Saviem or someone is knowing more.
Why was the 333 bought in France ■■? we had some in Belgium too and even the Fiat’s 690 but why.
We had with the two axles already 19 tons and a 6x2 22tons so why ■■?
Fiat could be but ■■? to get more as 19 tons and delivered not normal 6x2 's And convertions weren’t on the day in Belgium.
But for Mercedes we had the 326 19 tonners the same as France so why ■■?
Eric,
I think on the Massif Central roads, a 6x2 was better to drive and more sure when braking. Also payload was about 14,7 T and the 2 front axles were better to drive in the markets , often in center towns at that period,where the lorry had to deliver.
Perhaps it’s also because Mercedes did’nt get one traditionnal 6x2 on the French market ?
Buzzer:
Fergie remember talking to “Anna Banana” as we nicknamed her of an importer of Italian peaches and more (Italfrutta) and when she first started doing it in train carriages they had a hopper on the front of the rolling stock filled with ice and as the train sped along the wind blew through and kept the produce from over heating, they would stop in Germany to refill with ice to last into Stratford station in London and the fruit was distributed from there, Buzzer.PS. when I first had a frigo it was all hand ball as well, no pallets to be seen and that was 1976.
Hi John… That’d make sense if the section above the driver ( later fitted with a fridge unit) was filled with ice, and the speed spread it into the back over the produce…perhaps that how it worked.
Evening all,
Been out checking my sacking that is draped over todays section of lime morter brickwork…boy its slow, but it looks great when its dry. ROF, Rigsby, no, it a`int a new bunker, or retreat, Im just rebuilding a cow shed wall that was “botched” together a few years ago with cement morter, and has always looked orrible!
So was the bloke who delivered the bricks…roar, roar, heave, heave, bump, bump, squash, squash, (that saw the end of my beautiful little Snowdrops, and most of the lane bank)!..“B…tight to get in here”…quoth he…“steering wheel attendent” I replied…I`m getting old…“Meldrew” she called me when I began chuntering in the kitchen…
michel, lovely pictures, those 50s Berliets had real style, and didnt they last so well. Must have made their owners a lot of cash!
Craig 111, again what a selection thank you for your trouble. I recall Faget et Fils as a very well respected small outfit. I seem to remember that they ran a down rated SM, on smaller tyres, with a similar trailer, to increase the cube, as they needed that more than the weight. Port St Marie was a sweet place, has it changed much?
Tip Top, michel is right, the selling advantage of the twin steer was stability, braking, and minimising the risk of axle overloads. I cannot recall any volume of “conventional” 26 tonne 6x2s on Mercedes chassis. But Mercedes were clever in the market, keen on price, (to start with), reasonable service, but a reliable , if unspectacular product…then suddenly they had market share, and were knocking at everyones door! There were a very few Pegaso "Chinese six chassis in France, and quite a few Fiat/OM/Unic chinese six tractors, (but I think that most of these came from one dealer, who converted them with Unic`s blessing.)
Robert, those integral fridge vans so beloved of the Bretagne operators were so handsome. That looks like a Tual body, perhaps as good as the Chereau, but more expensive to acquire! Mélédo ran quite a few over the years, as on that Saviem 200, they aged very well,( the doors never dropped). Sadly that was a feature of the Chereau in either of its varients.
As Buzzer says, it was all handball, and still was in the `70s. I loved those integral vans, somehow the Bretagne operators had a style of livery that was so distinctive, even if there was no signwriting on the back, and you could not read the registration, the livery told you where it came from…normally at great speed!Ive seen them in Les Halles, with boxes and crates being unloaded from the back and sides at the same time…probably quicker than on pallets!
But those operated by AEM, (Auto Express Moderne), down in the Creuse, with their big Somua 6x2 chassis just looked a real picture, fog lights glaring as they came up , (quickly), behind you on the RN6…best move over boy!..But of course René Bastiers triumph was the 8x2 Television cabbed…But that was not an integral…forgive me…but it would have been Fergies “pin up girl”, Bernard 32 tonner of `62, with its full air suspension, disc brakes, Telma,…and when the ministry of Mines refused to allow its configuration and weight…she became a very heavy 26 tonner!
By gum, those French body builders could produce some handsome beasts!
Cheerio for now.
Here’s the mighty Berliet TLM 15, and its 14,778 cc MDO engine Saviem was mentioning yesterday. Indeed an impressive nose! On the right, an army GLR; probably Michel will tell us if it’s powered with a Diesel Berliet engine, or a petrol Hotchkiss (GLR 28). Pictures taken at Lapalisse in October 2014.
michel:
I think on the Massif Central roads, a 6x2 was better to drive and more sure when braking. Also payload was about 14,7 T and the 2 front axles were better to drive in the markets , often in center towns at that period,where the lorry had to deliver.
Perhaps it’s also because Mercedes did’nt get one traditionnal 6x2 on the French market ?
Hey Saviem thanks.
At that time you had 19 tons for a4*2 and can you tell me what was the total weight of the 333 ■■?
The normal 6x2 had only 22 at that time later 24 here. So the 333 must between ■■?
Think that the payload was not more as a 4x2 ■■? the weight empty was more because of the third axle.
but you have right better brakes in the montains, and by a puncture better to hold it on the way.
Picture Vikor/Pike.
Eric,
Froggy55:
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Here’s the mighty Berliet TLM 15, and its 14,778 cc MDO engine Saviem was mentioning yesterday. Indeed an impressive nose! On the right, an army GLR; probably Michel will tell us if it’s powered with a Diesel Berliet engine, or a petrol Hotchkiss (GLR 28). Pictures taken at Lapalisse in October 2014.
Imagine if Pat Kennett’s “Supertruck” magazine had appeared 20 years earlier. One of these could have graced the front page, for sure. Probably a thread in this, thinking about it…
tiptop495:
Hey Saviem thanks.At that time you had 19 tons for a4*2 and can you tell me what was the total weight of the 333 ■■?
The normal 6x2 had only 22 at that time later 24 here. So the 333 must between ■■?
Think that the payload was not more as a 4x2 ■■? the weight empty was more because of the third axle.
but you have right better brakes in the montains, and by a puncture better to hold it on the way.
Picture Vikor/Pike.
Eric,
This one hasn’t the same front axle display as the one shown by Michel. I think the “333” rigids were allowed at 26 tons in France.
Froggy55:
tiptop495:
Hey Saviem thanks.At that time you had 19 tons for a4*2 and can you tell me what was the total weight of the 333 ■■?
The normal 6x2 had only 22 at that time later 24 here. So the 333 must between ■■?
Think that the payload was not more as a 4x2 ■■? the weight empty was more because of the third axle.
but you have right better brakes in the montains, and by a puncture better to hold it on the way.
Picture Vikor/Pike.
Eric,This one hasn’t the same front axle display as the one shown by Michel. I think the “333” rigids were allowed at 26 tons in France.
Hey,
Yes, the LPS (tractors) were twin steer and not Chinees six. We only had 26 tonnes with the double
drive at that time. 6x2 was 22 later 24. And the chinees six ■■? I think they were very light front axles
maybe about 4/5 tonnes, as were the Fiat’s too.
Eric,
tiptop495:
Froggy55:
tiptop495:
Hey Saviem thanks.At that time you had 19 tons for a4*2 and can you tell me what was the total weight of the 333 ■■?
The normal 6x2 had only 22 at that time later 24 here. So the 333 must between ■■?
Think that the payload was not more as a 4x2 ■■? the weight empty was more because of the third axle.
but you have right better brakes in the montains, and by a puncture better to hold it on the way.
Picture Vikor/Pike.
Eric,This one hasn’t the same front axle display as the one shown by Michel. I think the “333” rigids were allowed at 26 tons in France.
Hey,
Yes, the LPS (tractors) were twin steer and not Chinees six. We only had 26 tonnes with the double
drive at that time. 6x2 was 22 later 24. And the chinees six ■■? I think they were very light front axles
maybe about 4/5 tonnes, as were the Fiat’s too.Eric,
I think you’ll find that ‘twin-steer’ is just a more modern (compound) word for ‘Chinese-six’: ie they’re the same thing, with regard to any three-axle rigid (or tractive unit). 
Robert
Saviem:
Evening all,
…but it would have been Fergies “pin up girl”, Bernard 32 tonner of `62, with its full air suspension, disc brakes, Telma,…Cheerio for now.
Don’t need a second invitation John…she’s just…yummy
A while back some one was on about a big Berliet wrecker and I came across this one which could be some thing similar and I was unable to find the post which it was in
cheers Johnnie
LP 333 was receptioned at 22,5T and the drawbar lorry naked weighted about 6,2T so 16,3T was the payload less the body.
The Berliet, Fergie, is a GLR 8R because I think only GLC haved the gazoline engine type 28.
Unic built some T 340 6x2x4 in factory at Trappes, but it’s true that SDVI in Nantes and SERMA in Bourg en Bresse built the firsts .
robert1952:
tiptop495:
Froggy55:
tiptop495:
Hey Saviem thanks.At that time you had 19 tons for a4*2 and can you tell me what was the total weight of the 333 ■■?
The normal 6x2 had only 22 at that time later 24 here. So the 333 must between ■■?
Think that the payload was not more as a 4x2 ■■? the weight empty was more because of the third axle.
but you have right better brakes in the montains, and by a puncture better to hold it on the way.
Picture Vikor/Pike.
Eric,This one hasn’t the same front axle display as the one shown by Michel. I think the “333” rigids were allowed at 26 tons in France.
Hey,
Yes, the LPS (tractors) were twin steer and not Chinees six. We only had 26 tonnes with the double
drive at that time. 6x2 was 22 later 24. And the chinees six ■■? I think they were very light front axles
maybe about 4/5 tonnes, as were the Fiat’s too.Eric,
I think you’ll find that ‘twin-steer’ is just a more modern (compound) word for ‘Chinese-six’: ie they’re the same thing, with regard to any three-axle rigid (or tractive unit).
Thanks Robert,
Thought you made difference between them, as here were the LP and LPS 333 because of the configuration.
We call them (dubble( or two) steering axles) and the other (steered forerunner) but in flemish. 
Eric,