Saviem's fan club (Part 1)

Fergie47:
Rusting away, laid up, resting, finished or scrapped…what ever you want to call it…poor old girls… :frowning:

Hi Fergie,

Yes, indeed, the two Bernard are rainsafe under a huge warehouse, together with two handfulls of Willème, a Rochet-Schneider, and perhaps 150 tractors, in a farm somewhere in the “Loir-et-Cher”. Most French truck “passionnés” know where. More on PM…

Do you know more about the little red Unic P8 or P9 “Demiprix”? It strangely looks like one that used to come twice a week on the market at Cosne sur Loire, later replaced by an Eurocargo. The registration could be 18 or 58, but the resolution isn’t good enough to be sure.

pete smith:
Hi Fergie,
Those TV cabbed Bernards are growing on me, keep wacking them on!!

With pleasure…thought no one would ever ask… :blush:

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A few more steel carriers…I like the Volvo and the M.A.N. although the M.A.N. isn’t a true carrier in the sense of the others…

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Anyone driving in Italy in the late '60’s and '70’s would no doubt have been amazed and confused at the axle layouts on their wagons.
Sticking the tail on the donkey appears to be the way to go…pick a spot on either lorry or trailer and whack an axle on it…either twin or single wheels, steer or lift …the choice was yours !!!

A few examples

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Froggy55:

Fergie47:
Rusting away, laid up, resting, finished or scrapped…what ever you want to call it…poor old girls… :frowning:

Hi Fergie,

Do you know more about the little red Unic P8 or P9 “Demiprix”? It strangely looks like one that used to come twice a week on the market at Cosne sur Loire, later replaced by an Eurocargo. The registration could be 18 or 58, but the resolution isn’t good enough to be sure.

Sorry Froggy. don’t know the history behind that particular beast…I’ve had a load of pictures sent me by two French guys, but little info on the wagons themselves…Fortunately Saviem, Michel, Robert, and a few others have the knowledge, and put the words to the pics…I just post the pic’s to annoy them, and get their old tired brains working… :unamused:

Lovely old wagon, beautiful back drop…

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Hi Fergie,
Thank You for the TV Bernard pictures, the first picture (the artic) I presume is an earlier model? Cheer’s Pete

A few with bonnets…ordinary wagons going about their daily work

Don’t forget to click on pic for full view

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pete smith:
Hi Fergie,
Thank You for the TV Bernard pictures, the first picture (the artic) I presume is an earlier model? Cheer’s Pete

Saviem did tell me once, but I can’t remember, it may actually be a later model, someone will let us know… :blush:

Fergie47:

pete smith:
Hi Fergie,
Thank You for the TV Bernard pictures, the first picture (the artic) I presume is an earlier model? Cheer’s Pete

Saviem did tell me once, but I can’t remember, it may actually be a later model, someone will let us know… :blush:

Its no good asking me either Fergie, I never knew they existed till you put a picture of one on here, Saviem can you put me right on what engine was fitted size/power output and what sort of weight would they run at? Cheer’s Pete

Fergie47:
Anyone driving in Italy in the late '60’s and '70’s would no doubt have been amazed and confused at the axle layouts on their wagons.

You can add at least 1980’s to that.Their drawbar outfits at least provided the best compromise for hauling a lot of weight with the optimum balance of cut in and tail sweep for getting around a country full of tight mountain roads. :bulb: :wink:

Carryfast:

Fergie47:
Anyone driving in Italy in the late '60’s and '70’s would no doubt have been amazed and confused at the axle layouts on their wagons.

You can add at least 1980’s to that.Their drawbar outfits at least provided the best compromise for hauling a lot of weight with the optimum balance of cut in and tail sweep for getting around a country full of tight mountain roads. :bulb: :wink:

True, and right hand drive to boot… :sunglasses:

Morning all,

Saturday morning, pouring rain, and Im waiting here for a delivery of reclaimed bricks, that should have come yesterday…So, the supplier says they will be with you “early”…no you and I all know how we define “early”, having driven lorries…so Im sitting here from 0500, and they still have not arrived, and the Bricklayer comes at 8.30.

Fergie, you have really got hold of some superb images! and Tomdhu your words are appreciated, but it is the people like Fergie, Michel, and so many others, who make this thread interesting. For me the images are like sitting in a comfortable arm chair, a journey of delight!

Fergies pictures of Jan 27 I think its 7th one down, a very sorry Assumption Circus unit and living van. The tractor could have been a WW2 Federal 406, or even a humble Panhard, or even a Ford V8! but when these exotic “home from home” on wheels were new, they were spectacular! I am tempted to say that that sad one is ex Cirque Pinder…but I could be wrong, as when they became older, they found new homes with smaller Cirque. The whole French Circus industry is well worthy of some words another time.

The Willeme of Andre Marmeth, now there was a lovely outfit…as was Louis Giraud, boy I had some battles there, (mainly with John Baker, who was traipsing around France on behalf of DAF…two English men trying to do business with a leading French haulier! But that Bernard “Lévrier” (Greyhound…which they certainly were not)! But it was an attempt to up power the traditional Gardner Licence Bernard with an all French Alsthop V8 air cooled engine of 12648cc, 120 x 140,200 hp @2000 rpm driving through a 5 speed ZF box. The engine was over 1300kgs heavier than the Gardner / Bernard MF636 @185hp. But after all, it was designed for Railway use, and as such became unreliable when used in a road context. Nearly, well it did actually bust Bernard, and in came Mack to give the corpse a good kicking…

That bike is an interesting one, it appears to be powered by Gazogene, (wood or coal)…any one know?..Wonder how you carried your Nutty Slack…or Logs!!

Pete, that is an early “semi Television cab”, on that 35 tonne 4 axle outfit. Pelpel discovered inherent weakness when the sleeper had big windows, hence the change to Port Holes in the sleeper…bit like a Guy Invincible cab “a tad flexible”. That would have had Bernards version of the LX the Bernard MF630 @165 hp, but the later, (1962), versions would have had the MF636 185 hp, based on the LXB. Fergies AutoRoute 6x4 Breakdown would probably have had the same engine, that is an interesting outfit, after the Bernard went from their service, I think that they had a Ford Transcontinental 4x2, and a 6x4.

But that TV Bernard really was something else, in terms of style, and a beautiful driving position…but a very Gardneresque rate of progress!

Bricklayer, and bricks seem to have arrived, (judging by the noise coming from the yard)!, but Fergie, that Chateau with the little Berliet in front, is on the Col de Rochpot, now you must have laboured up that just like me, bugger when it was icy/1 and those Primeurs used to fly down, …but at least when you needed a break, there was the Belle Aire to get something nice to eat! I loved the roof tiles with their pattern…happy days…gosh a 4LK Gardner used to get a bit breathless on the uphill.

And those Italian outfits always gave me an inferiority complex…Lancia, OM, Fiat, Italy was a closed market in the 60s…then I ended up there , and we offered a big KB TR Berliet with a steering rear axle…s… Could`nt those Italians put some weight on those millepedes!

Im away to check my bricks…

Cheerio for now.

why all the bricks ? another extension to saviem towers , or maybe a bunker out of earshot of she who must be obeyed , something i long for . dave

Maybe she’s got him building another greenhouse? :wink:

Saviem:
Morning all,
Fergie, that Chateau with the little Berliet in front, is on the Col de Rochpot, now you must have laboured up that just like me, bugger when it was icy/1 and those Primeurs used to fly down, …
Cheerio for now.

John…the first time I went passed the château I’d loaded near Chalon-sur-Saone but had the LB76, so didn’t really struggle, went the scenic route to join the A6 near Auxerre…In the days before the crap, sat-nav, tracking, hours regulations, etc, you could go any-which-way you fancied, for me that was mostly the scenic route or where a decent le routiers was…

The châteaux was, in 2014, up for sale, 30 rooms, 70 acres, yours for 3.2 million about the price of a two up two down semi detached in that London, well, a poor part of that London that is… :unamused:

Saviem mentioned Circus wagons…here are a few, (plus some fairground lorries) starting with the famous Pinder Circus

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…Another lorry, another château…

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Inside the beasts…

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Couple of big fella’s